CBTand buying a Desmo
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Better to be a really good rider on an adequate bike than an adequate rider on a really good bike, I reckon.
As above, buying skills is probably a better investment than buying new bikes. Keeping the engine on song and riding smoothly is part of it, rather than just short-shifting most of the time, coasting around bends and then storming down straights.
I'd prefer something that can be chucked around and manhandled a bit on tight twisty roads rather than something with enormous straight-line performance. I find that even a 600 requires you to back off a bit on straight sections and during overtakes.
But then, I may be odd
as for the OP, it is his (substantial quantity of!!!) money, but personally I'd have gone with a more modest bike with decent handling and a good road engine, eg. A Street Triple, for riding enjoyment rather than a Panigale bike that even experienced riders I've talked to said weren't very pleasant to ride on the road. It's not about money.
As above, buying skills is probably a better investment than buying new bikes. Keeping the engine on song and riding smoothly is part of it, rather than just short-shifting most of the time, coasting around bends and then storming down straights.
I'd prefer something that can be chucked around and manhandled a bit on tight twisty roads rather than something with enormous straight-line performance. I find that even a 600 requires you to back off a bit on straight sections and during overtakes.
But then, I may be odd
as for the OP, it is his (substantial quantity of!!!) money, but personally I'd have gone with a more modest bike with decent handling and a good road engine, eg. A Street Triple, for riding enjoyment rather than a Panigale bike that even experienced riders I've talked to said weren't very pleasant to ride on the road. It's not about money.
Edited by MC Bodge on Tuesday 11th March 12:29
srob said:
Why so harsh?
Some people might suggest that spunking a ton of money on a Padgetts Supersport CBR600 for your first attempt at racing is a waste of money, but you're enjoying it so I can't see it's much different
What bit of it is harsh? There will be a time where something unexpected happens. It did with me. It has happened with everyone I know who rides bikes. When I did it I was fixated on the grass, and funnily enough, that's where I ended up. I'd have ended up there a hell of a lot quicker and caused more damage than I did if I was on a Panigale. Some people might suggest that spunking a ton of money on a Padgetts Supersport CBR600 for your first attempt at racing is a waste of money, but you're enjoying it so I can't see it's much different
I bought my superstock (not super sport) R6 because that was the class of racing I wanted to do. I didn't have much choice other than buying an ex-race team bike, or build my own for significantly more cost. It also wasn't my first bike. I bought a cheap, tatty CBR600RR because I didn't want to have a nice bike when I was learning. I was going to crash it anyway, which was exactly what I did. I also bought a tuned up R1 off my mate as I thought it was the bike that was slow. I sold it a month and a bit later after I nearly high sided and terrified myself. It also highlighted to me that it's all about the rider and very little to do with the bike.
George29 said:
What bit of it is harsh?
Saying someone has more money than sense is pretty harsh in most people's opinion, I reckon 
George29 said:
There will be a time where something unexpected happens. It did with me. It has happened with everyone I know who rides bikes. When I did it I was fixated on the grass, and funnily enough, that's where I ended up. I'd have ended up there a hell of a lot quicker and caused more damage than I did if I was on a Panigale.
A CBR600RR will still do 0-100mph in something insane like 6 seconds? So realistically, if you're planning on pinning it into a bend and running wide it's not going to make much odds whether you're doing 100mph or the 115mph an 1199 will be doing. It's going to end similarly. George29 said:
I bought my superstock (not super sport) R6 because that was the class of racing I wanted to do. I didn't have much choice other than buying an ex-race team bike, or build my own for significantly more cost. It also wasn't my first bike. I bought a cheap, tatty CBR600RR because I didn't want to have a nice bike when I was learning. I was going to crash it anyway, which was exactly what I did. I also bought a tuned up R1 off my mate as I thought it was the bike that was slow. I sold it a month and a bit later after I nearly high sided and terrified myself. It also highlighted to me that it's all about the rider and very little to do with the bike.
And that's fair enough, and I respect you for going after what you wanted. Just that I reckon that all the people who have gone through the ranks of MZs, CB500s etc and learning on smaller bikes may say that you have more money than sense for kicking off your racing career on such a fast bike. Which probably makes you feel a bit s
t, which is probably how the OP felt reading your reply.The OP has obviously done something fairly nuts by buying a very fast, expensive bike as his first one, but realistically it's only more nuts than buying a CBR600RR because if he has a low speed tumble and chooses to pay for it himself it'll hurt his wallet more. If he wraps it round a tree and claims 100% for it, it won't matter that he's claiming £20k instead of £9k.
SVS said:
Hi Sean,
Serious question: in what way is the 600RR not fast enough? Unless you've done motorcross before getting your road bike licence, it's hard to fathom how a 600RR wouldn't be quick enough after only riding for about 4 months. What about the 600RRR is slow?
If you passed your test recently, then it's an ideal time for an advanced course to raise your skills.
Where did Sofever say his CBR600RR wasn't fast enough? or even too slow? Serious question: in what way is the 600RR not fast enough? Unless you've done motorcross before getting your road bike licence, it's hard to fathom how a 600RR wouldn't be quick enough after only riding for about 4 months. What about the 600RRR is slow?Sofever said:
I too passed my test recently, I was hell bent on getting a R1! However, every swinging dick on the congo told me not to and get something more tame, so l bought a MY 10 CBR 600rr. Now within 4 months of buying I am looking and hankering for a litre bike. So Aprilia RSV 4 or Panigale it is going to be but with the headache of trying to sell the CBR for a decent price without losing too much or trade it in and be shafted. Now l know they are a lot of bike, but a few advanced bike courses and a little patience and all will be fine excluding the looneys you come across on the road.
It may be that a day with someone like Rapid Training would make your 600RR faster. E.g. having one of the Rapid instructors cast an expert eye over your cornering, overtaking skills, whether you're timing the revs at peak power optimally and so on. I had done the odd race school and track days before going to Rapid Training. Yet I still learnt tons from Rapid. Brilliant fun too If you passed your test recently, then it's an ideal time for an advanced course to raise your skills.Edited by SVS on Sunday 9th March 20:33
fantastic follow up thread to your accident thread. love the attitude ,i have a young mate that did something very similar,despite his accident resulting in serious brain injuries which changed him considerably forever,as well as injuries ending a promising athletics career.
i understand some of the comments about lack of experience,but i have a funny feeling your faggot strips wont last a summer,you dont come across as the type of bloke that doesnt want to learn how to enjoy a bike like that to the best of your ability.
have fun and enjoy,both the bike and fit missus,after what you have gone through,you bloody well deserve some fun.
i understand some of the comments about lack of experience,but i have a funny feeling your faggot strips wont last a summer,you dont come across as the type of bloke that doesnt want to learn how to enjoy a bike like that to the best of your ability.
have fun and enjoy,both the bike and fit missus,after what you have gone through,you bloody well deserve some fun.
wc98 said:
fantastic follow up thread to your accident thread. love the attitude ,i have a young mate that did something very similar,despite his accident resulting in serious brain injuries which changed him considerably forever,as well as injuries ending a promising athletics career.
i understand some of the comments about lack of experience,but i have a funny feeling your faggot strips wont last a summer,you dont come across as the type of bloke that doesnt want to learn how to enjoy a bike like that to the best of your ability.
have fun and enjoy,both the bike and fit missus,after what you have gone through,you bloody well deserve some fun.
di understand some of the comments about lack of experience,but i have a funny feeling your faggot strips wont last a summer,you dont come across as the type of bloke that doesnt want to learn how to enjoy a bike like that to the best of your ability.
have fun and enjoy,both the bike and fit missus,after what you have gone through,you bloody well deserve some fun.
headLoonR1 said:
wc98 said:
fantastic follow up thread to your accident thread. love the attitude ,i have a young mate that did something very similar,despite his accident resulting in serious brain injuries which changed him considerably forever,as well as injuries ending a promising athletics career.
i understand some of the comments about lack of experience,but i have a funny feeling your faggot strips wont last a summer,you dont come across as the type of bloke that doesnt want to learn how to enjoy a bike like that to the best of your ability.
have fun and enjoy,both the bike and fit missus,after what you have gone through,you bloody well deserve some fun.
di understand some of the comments about lack of experience,but i have a funny feeling your faggot strips wont last a summer,you dont come across as the type of bloke that doesnt want to learn how to enjoy a bike like that to the best of your ability.
have fun and enjoy,both the bike and fit missus,after what you have gone through,you bloody well deserve some fun.
head
bass gt3 said:
Maybe we should rename then "Goujons"? Wholl lot less contraversial than the current options??
...well, maybe its a regional thing I heard some guys the other day talking about "pussy wings" too...another new one on me how is it always taste related to unused rubber ?...i.e like Mr brains faggots, chicken, pussy ..nothing bad about them but I dont get the association ...
MC Bodge said:
CB500 with blued exhaust headers and tyres scrubbed and melted to the edges at a bar in the Alps
or,
uber-bike at the Ace cafe with squared tyres, no evidence going within 2" of the edges and that has never been above 5k rpm? Discuss.
I'd rather buy the uber bike from the ace than something that's been hammered.....or,
uber-bike at the Ace cafe with squared tyres, no evidence going within 2" of the edges and that has never been above 5k rpm? Discuss.
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