Who's going to the TT this year?
Discussion
sideboard said:
If Hickman had not had a problem running to Glen Helen on lap 1, he would have been under 17mins for standing start lap on the Superstock bike.
Can we give this “standing start” stuff a rest please. The laps are either a standing start, or a lot of slowing down at the end for the fuel stop. Th eonly true flying lap is th last one and the tyres will be well past their best then. Pretty much every lap record is set on lap 1, or 2 from a standing start or coming to a standstill in the pits with the pit limiter in play.
towser44 said:
I'll be honest, I'm a bit out of touch with the developments on the new model bikes so I'm sure someone will be along to correct me, but I think it's a combination of things, rather than vast improvements in the bikes solely. Those being, perfect weather conditions, particularly over practice week so the riders have been able to get dialled in nicely, riders who are now much more experienced on the course (Peter Hickman, Dean Harrison) and the increased competition as they are pushing on the more established competition like Michael Dunlop even more.
Agreed. It's mainly the fact they have had a lot more practise than typically over there and the conditions have been perfect.I reckon 135mph lap for Senior if the weather holds out.
Gavia said:
Can we give this “standing start” stuff a rest please.
The laps are either a standing start, or a lot of slowing down at the end for the fuel stop. Th eonly true flying lap is th last one and the tyres will be well past their best then. Pretty much every lap record is set on lap 1, or 2 from a standing start or coming to a standstill in the pits with the pit limiter in play.
Except for Hickman’s last lap today! Stocker record on last lap and very close to course record.The laps are either a standing start, or a lot of slowing down at the end for the fuel stop. Th eonly true flying lap is th last one and the tyres will be well past their best then. Pretty much every lap record is set on lap 1, or 2 from a standing start or coming to a standstill in the pits with the pit limiter in play.
Gavia said:
Can we give this “standing start” stuff a rest please.
The laps are either a standing start, or a lot of slowing down at the end for the fuel stop. Th eonly true flying lap is th last one and the tyres will be well past their best then. Pretty much every lap record is set on lap 1, or 2 from a standing start or coming to a standstill in the pits with the pit limiter in play.
Dear Gavia, I must politely decline your invitation to 'give [it] a rest'. Thanks for your intervention, however it appears to have been both pointless and, as far as lap records are concerned, inaccurate (assuming that your 'pretty much every' means >75%, which is being more than fair to you).The laps are either a standing start, or a lot of slowing down at the end for the fuel stop. Th eonly true flying lap is th last one and the tyres will be well past their best then. Pretty much every lap record is set on lap 1, or 2 from a standing start or coming to a standstill in the pits with the pit limiter in play.
Standing start, standing start, lap 1, standing start. quack,quack.
poo at Paul's said:
5+ die on UK roads every day. Not actively and willingly partaking in a sport they love, just going about their day, work, pick kids up, ealking home from shops etc.
Keep some perspective
If we're keeping perspective, we should remember that 32 million cars and 1.3 million bikes are currently on the road in the UK and doing billions of miles between them every year... Keep some perspective
I love road racing as much as the next biker but the Deaths/Mile rate is undeniably high!
ilovequo said:
If we're keeping perspective, we should remember that 32 million cars and 1.3 million bikes are currently on the road in the UK and doing billions of miles between them every year...
I love road racing as much as the next biker but the Deaths/Mile rate is undeniably high!
But that's irrelevant. 5 a day die just going about their business, jobs, social etc. Of course it carries huge risk, but each of them knows acutely what the risks are. I love road racing as much as the next biker but the Deaths/Mile rate is undeniably high!
Whereas most of the 5 or 6 poor sods who got up this morning and went out of the house for the last time, have very little idea.
poo at Paul's said:
ilovequo said:
If we're keeping perspective, we should remember that 32 million cars and 1.3 million bikes are currently on the road in the UK and doing billions of miles between them every year...
I love road racing as much as the next biker but the Deaths/Mile rate is undeniably high!
But that's irrelevant. 5 a day die just going about their business, jobs, social etc. Of course it carries huge risk, but each of them knows acutely what the risks are. I love road racing as much as the next biker but the Deaths/Mile rate is undeniably high!
Whereas most of the 5 or 6 poor sods who got up this morning and went out of the house for the last time, have very little idea.
Edited by sideboard on Monday 4th June 18:28
It ruddy well is when the few posts above don't even mention it a while after it happened.
Sorry, while you lot might love it, I simply think a race that takes this much life and exists mainly as a tourism exercise and an adventure for a tiny minority of people is a little bonkers.
I did not name the lad that died for numerous reasons, none of which I am going to reveal on here. But one is, you can all find out for yourselves without me providing links to outside sources.
I will make this point. Do you think Marquez, Stoner, Doohan, Sheene, Roberts, Lawson are poofs for not riding at the TT? Not brave, somehow lacking?
Take a long hard look at most top level TT riders of the past few decades. How many were also as good on roads as track consistently? Hislop, Rutter, Ian Simpson, Hickman, Jim Moodie? DJ, McPint, Martin, all the Dunlops (a case can be made for Robert early doors), Cummins, Hutchy can pedal on both on his day, Donald, McCallen, Anstey and plenty more were OK on the tracks but far better on the roads.
Do you not think that if Byrne, Haslam, Sykes, Rea, Camier were there too they would be a little quicker? Does this mean the quality of riders riding on the roads is perhaps not the highest it could be out of the elite motorcycle racing world?
Sorry, while you lot might love it, I simply think a race that takes this much life and exists mainly as a tourism exercise and an adventure for a tiny minority of people is a little bonkers.
I did not name the lad that died for numerous reasons, none of which I am going to reveal on here. But one is, you can all find out for yourselves without me providing links to outside sources.
I will make this point. Do you think Marquez, Stoner, Doohan, Sheene, Roberts, Lawson are poofs for not riding at the TT? Not brave, somehow lacking?
Take a long hard look at most top level TT riders of the past few decades. How many were also as good on roads as track consistently? Hislop, Rutter, Ian Simpson, Hickman, Jim Moodie? DJ, McPint, Martin, all the Dunlops (a case can be made for Robert early doors), Cummins, Hutchy can pedal on both on his day, Donald, McCallen, Anstey and plenty more were OK on the tracks but far better on the roads.
Do you not think that if Byrne, Haslam, Sykes, Rea, Camier were there too they would be a little quicker? Does this mean the quality of riders riding on the roads is perhaps not the highest it could be out of the elite motorcycle racing world?
Edited by chunder27 on Monday 4th June 20:12
chunder27 said:
It ruddy well is when the few posts above don't even mention it a while after it happened.
You just admitted you're trolling!chunder27 said:
Sorry, while you lot might love it, I simply think a race that takes this much life and exists mainly as a tourism exercise and an adventure for a tiny minority of people is a little bonkers.
You're lack of knowledge about the TT and road racing is showing!chunder27 said:
I did not name the lad that died for numerous reasons, none of which I am going to reveal on here. But one is, you can all find out for yourselves without me providing links to outside sources.
Yet more attention seeking, sanctimonious, drivel!chunder27 said:
It ruddy well is when the few posts above don't even mention it a while after it happened.
Sorry, while you lot might love it, I simply think a race that takes this much life and exists mainly as a tourism exercise and an adventure for a tiny minority of people is a little bonkers.
I did not name the lad that died for numerous reasons, none of which I am going to reveal on here. But one is, you can all find out for yourselves without me providing links to outside sources.
I will make this point. Do you think Marquez, Stoner, Doohan, Sheene, Roberts, Lawson are poofs for not riding at the TT? Not brave, somehow lacking?
Take a long hard look at most top level TT riders of the past few decades. How many were also as good on roads as track consistently? Hislop, Rutter, Ian Simpson, Hickman, Jim Moodie? DJ, McPint, Martin, all the Dunlops (a case can be made for Robert early doors), Cummins, Hutchy can pedal on both on his day, Donald, McCallen, Anstey and plenty more were OK on the tracks but far better on the roads.
Do you not think that if Byrne, Haslam, Sykes, Rea, Camier were there too they would be a little quicker? Does this mean the quality of riders riding on the roads is perhaps not the highest it could be out of the elite motorcycle racing world?
Remind me again how many Superbike world titles and TT s Carl Forgarty won?Sorry, while you lot might love it, I simply think a race that takes this much life and exists mainly as a tourism exercise and an adventure for a tiny minority of people is a little bonkers.
I did not name the lad that died for numerous reasons, none of which I am going to reveal on here. But one is, you can all find out for yourselves without me providing links to outside sources.
I will make this point. Do you think Marquez, Stoner, Doohan, Sheene, Roberts, Lawson are poofs for not riding at the TT? Not brave, somehow lacking?
Take a long hard look at most top level TT riders of the past few decades. How many were also as good on roads as track consistently? Hislop, Rutter, Ian Simpson, Hickman, Jim Moodie? DJ, McPint, Martin, all the Dunlops (a case can be made for Robert early doors), Cummins, Hutchy can pedal on both on his day, Donald, McCallen, Anstey and plenty more were OK on the tracks but far better on the roads.
Do you not think that if Byrne, Haslam, Sykes, Rea, Camier were there too they would be a little quicker? Does this mean the quality of riders riding on the roads is perhaps not the highest it could be out of the elite motorcycle racing world?
Edited by chunder27 on Monday 4th June 20:12
chunder27 said:
It ruddy well is when the few posts above don't even mention it a while after it happened.
Sorry, while you lot might love it, I simply think a race that takes this much life and exists mainly as a tourism exercise and an adventure for a tiny minority of people is a little bonkers.
I did not name the lad that died for numerous reasons, none of which I am going to reveal on here. But one is, you can all find out for yourselves without me providing links to outside sources.
I will make this point. Do you think Marquez, Stoner, Doohan, Sheene, Roberts, Lawson are poofs for not riding at the TT? Not brave, somehow lacking?
Take a long hard look at most top level TT riders of the past few decades. How many were also as good on roads as track consistently? Hislop, Rutter, Ian Simpson, Hickman, Jim Moodie? DJ, McPint, Martin, all the Dunlops (a case can be made for Robert early doors), Cummins, Hutchy can pedal on both on his day, Donald, McCallen, Anstey and plenty more were OK on the tracks but far better on the roads.
Do you not think that if Byrne, Haslam, Sykes, Rea, Camier were there too they would be a little quicker? Does this mean the quality of riders riding on the roads is perhaps not the highest it could be out of the elite motorcycle racing world?
May I ask what you think you're trying to achieve with this carping? Is it an exercise of "I'm right and you're all wrong"?Sorry, while you lot might love it, I simply think a race that takes this much life and exists mainly as a tourism exercise and an adventure for a tiny minority of people is a little bonkers.
I did not name the lad that died for numerous reasons, none of which I am going to reveal on here. But one is, you can all find out for yourselves without me providing links to outside sources.
I will make this point. Do you think Marquez, Stoner, Doohan, Sheene, Roberts, Lawson are poofs for not riding at the TT? Not brave, somehow lacking?
Take a long hard look at most top level TT riders of the past few decades. How many were also as good on roads as track consistently? Hislop, Rutter, Ian Simpson, Hickman, Jim Moodie? DJ, McPint, Martin, all the Dunlops (a case can be made for Robert early doors), Cummins, Hutchy can pedal on both on his day, Donald, McCallen, Anstey and plenty more were OK on the tracks but far better on the roads.
Do you not think that if Byrne, Haslam, Sykes, Rea, Camier were there too they would be a little quicker? Does this mean the quality of riders riding on the roads is perhaps not the highest it could be out of the elite motorcycle racing world?
Edited by chunder27 on Monday 4th June 20:12
Seems pointless otherwise.
Chunder might I respectfully suggest you start a new thread calling for the TT to be banned rather than ruining this for those who have an interest on what is going on. Then perhaps you can discuss all things with like minded people.
Here it is quite obvious you are on a different wavelength to everyone else and you are only looking for attention. You have given your opinion which you are entitled to of course, yet you continue to be petty and childish. Most adults if they don't like something they stop watching or doing that thing.
Back to the TT what a performance from both Michael Dunlop, Peter Hickman and also Dean Harrison. To do what they are doing is mind boggling. The respect I have for these guys, incredible.
Here it is quite obvious you are on a different wavelength to everyone else and you are only looking for attention. You have given your opinion which you are entitled to of course, yet you continue to be petty and childish. Most adults if they don't like something they stop watching or doing that thing.
Back to the TT what a performance from both Michael Dunlop, Peter Hickman and also Dean Harrison. To do what they are doing is mind boggling. The respect I have for these guys, incredible.
poo at Paul's said:
ilovequo said:
If we're keeping perspective, we should remember that 32 million cars and 1.3 million bikes are currently on the road in the UK and doing billions of miles between them every year...
I love road racing as much as the next biker but the Deaths/Mile rate is undeniably high!
But that's irrelevant. 5 a day die just going about their business, jobs, social etc. Of course it carries huge risk, but each of them knows acutely what the risks are. I love road racing as much as the next biker but the Deaths/Mile rate is undeniably high!
Whereas most of the 5 or 6 poor sods who got up this morning and went out of the house for the last time, have very little idea.
But you were the one who used the UK road death tally to make your argument!
How can its relevance then be nullified when someone else comments in the same vein?
This forum amazes me!
Absolutely glued to the TT this year, what an event !!
Not sure why they've got Jodie Kidd presenting, she is just awful and zero enthusiasm. Also looks weird her looming above the over presenters.
If they wanted to shoehorn a female presenter in there they should have chosen Nicki Shields, she's excellent.
I have to admit that the tragic accidents do make me feel uncomfortable, I also realise that however much I might not like to admit it, the danger is what makes it so awe inspiring. The bottom line is that everyone on earth should have the right to choose how they wish to live their lives as long as it does not affect others. These racers know what they are getting into, they are not lured into it and they are not forced against their will. Every day thousands of people will die, most of them is horrible or depressing ways. Few get to go out as heroes doing something they enjoy. They should be applauded.
The problem will banning things to keep people safe is that it goes against human nature. We climbed out of the primeval soup and left our caves because of risk. If you would ban road racing then would you also ban motorcycles from the road? What about horse riding, mountain biking, alcohol, DIY? Where does it end? As horrific as it is to lose someone you love it would be far worse to live a life devoid of risk and excitement.
Sorry for the rant but if you don't like the TT then why not turn over and carry on with your life.
Not sure why they've got Jodie Kidd presenting, she is just awful and zero enthusiasm. Also looks weird her looming above the over presenters.
If they wanted to shoehorn a female presenter in there they should have chosen Nicki Shields, she's excellent.I have to admit that the tragic accidents do make me feel uncomfortable, I also realise that however much I might not like to admit it, the danger is what makes it so awe inspiring. The bottom line is that everyone on earth should have the right to choose how they wish to live their lives as long as it does not affect others. These racers know what they are getting into, they are not lured into it and they are not forced against their will. Every day thousands of people will die, most of them is horrible or depressing ways. Few get to go out as heroes doing something they enjoy. They should be applauded.
The problem will banning things to keep people safe is that it goes against human nature. We climbed out of the primeval soup and left our caves because of risk. If you would ban road racing then would you also ban motorcycles from the road? What about horse riding, mountain biking, alcohol, DIY? Where does it end? As horrific as it is to lose someone you love it would be far worse to live a life devoid of risk and excitement.
Sorry for the rant but if you don't like the TT then why not turn over and carry on with your life.
ilovequo said:
?!
But you were the one who used the UK road death tally to make your argument!
How can its relevance then be nullified when someone else comments in the same vein?
This forum amazes me!
Sorry, I mean the "billions of miles stats" are irrelevant. We all know the TT is dangerous, but it only runs once per year. But you were the one who used the UK road death tally to make your argument!
How can its relevance then be nullified when someone else comments in the same vein?
This forum amazes me!
We are eight days in, and two guys have, sadly, died. Chunder is focussing on that and saying how it should be banned, but in the same time 40 people who just went out for the day in UK, never went home again. The fact that millions DID go home again, is not relevant to the point.
TT deaths make headlines because it is a high risk sporting event, but there's 20 times the number of people being killed on roads in UK each and every day that don't make the headlines. And in some ways, those other deaths are sadder and one's that we should perhaps have even more sympathy for, as they just went about their business for the day, never thought they may not be coming home,, haven't prepared for that eventuality, talked to their loved ones etc.
Of course the TT is FAR more dangerous that normal driving on public roads, it's incredible the speeds these guys ride at, and the level of skill employed is extraordinary. But on the days it is run, there is still about 20 times the number of road deaths elsewhere in the UK.
TurbosSuck said:
Absolutely glued to the TT this year, what an event !!
Not sure why they've got Jodie Kidd presenting, she is just awful and zero enthusiasm. Also looks weird her looming above the over presenters. If they wanted to shoehorn a female presenter in there they should have chosen Nicki Shields, she's excellent.
I have to admit that the tragic accidents do make me feel uncomfortable, I also realise that however much I might not like to admit it, the danger is what makes it so awe inspiring. The bottom line is that everyone on earth should have the right to choose how they wish to live their lives as long as it does not affect others. These racers know what they are getting into, they are not lured into it and they are not forced against their will. Every day thousands of people will die, most of them is horrible or depressing ways. Few get to go out as heroes doing something they enjoy. They should be applauded.
The problem will banning things to keep people safe is that it goes against human nature. We climbed out of the primeval soup and left our caves because of risk. If you would ban road racing then would you also ban motorcycles from the road? What about horse riding, mountain biking, alcohol, DIY? Where does it end? As horrific as it is to lose someone you love it would be far worse to live a life devoid of risk and excitement.
Sorry for the rant but if you don't like the TT then why not turn over and carry on with your life.
What he said. Not sure why they've got Jodie Kidd presenting, she is just awful and zero enthusiasm. Also looks weird her looming above the over presenters.
If they wanted to shoehorn a female presenter in there they should have chosen Nicki Shields, she's excellent.I have to admit that the tragic accidents do make me feel uncomfortable, I also realise that however much I might not like to admit it, the danger is what makes it so awe inspiring. The bottom line is that everyone on earth should have the right to choose how they wish to live their lives as long as it does not affect others. These racers know what they are getting into, they are not lured into it and they are not forced against their will. Every day thousands of people will die, most of them is horrible or depressing ways. Few get to go out as heroes doing something they enjoy. They should be applauded.
The problem will banning things to keep people safe is that it goes against human nature. We climbed out of the primeval soup and left our caves because of risk. If you would ban road racing then would you also ban motorcycles from the road? What about horse riding, mountain biking, alcohol, DIY? Where does it end? As horrific as it is to lose someone you love it would be far worse to live a life devoid of risk and excitement.
Sorry for the rant but if you don't like the TT then why not turn over and carry on with your life.
I was watching last night in awe - but also thinking how can they go on as if nothing has happened, apart from the tiny mention of Adam Lyon at the end and the 2nd death in a few days. But what you said makes sense, they know the risk so why not let them do it. It must feel amazing. I don't really like motor bikes but the TT always draws me in.
Too many good sports have had drastic changes (F1, group B completely banned) so maybe it is a good thing to have such a raw sport unchanged but how long can it last? How many deaths is acceptable?
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