Road legal bikes banned from certain roads due to noise

[LetsTryAgain]

Kawasicki said:

I agree. To be fair though it is just Tirol. As I and others have mentioned the issue is that a road legal machine can be banned from certain areas on the whim of the locals. It’s the principle that is the discussion point for me.

Yeah I get what you're saying.
I am just a 'vote with your feet' kind of man.

[Kawasicki]

Looks like Switzerland are now considering a nationwide ban, using the same criteria as Tirol.

[xjay1337]

Kawasicki said:

Looks like Switzerland are now considering a nationwide ban, using the same criteria as Tirol.

Switzerland was always the "Nazis" when it comes to motoring enjoyment. I don't think it's even legal to modify your car in Switzerland at all.

[anonymous-user]

xjay1337 said:

Kawasicki said:

Looks like Switzerland are now considering a nationwide ban, using the same criteria as Tirol.

Switzerland was always the "Nazis" when it comes to motoring enjoyment. I don't think it's even legal to modify your car in Switzerland at all.

After seeing what happened on the 44teeth vid Switzerland is the last place I would want to ride!

[Countdown]

Kawasicki said:

I agree. To be fair though it is just Tirol. As I and others have mentioned the issue is that a road legal machine can be banned from certain areas on the whim of the locals. It’s the principle that is the discussion point for me.

I don't think there's anything wrong in principle with "locals" deciding what they want to happen "locally".

[Kawasicki]

Countdown said:

Kawasicki said:

I agree. To be fair though it is just Tirol. As I and others have mentioned the issue is that a road legal machine can be banned from certain areas on the whim of the locals. It’s the principle that is the discussion point for me.

I don't think there's anything wrong in principle with "locals" deciding what they want to happen "locally".

I disagree. I’m not a fan of NIMBY decision making.

[black-k1]

Kawasicki said:

Countdown said:

Kawasicki said:

I agree. To be fair though it is just Tirol. As I and others have mentioned the issue is that a road legal machine can be banned from certain areas on the whim of the locals. It’s the principle that is the discussion point for me.

I don't think there's anything wrong in principle with "locals" deciding what they want to happen "locally".

I disagree. I’m not a fan of NIMBY decision making.

I think that for facilities (such as roads) that are publicly funded then having locals decide which, otherwise legal, vehicles can and can't use those public roads is not a good move. If you want to restrict use of a road to otherwise legal vehicles then it seems only fair to me that you should pay for the road!

[xjay1337]

black-k1 said:

Kawasicki said:

Countdown said:

Kawasicki said:

I agree. To be fair though it is just Tirol. As I and others have mentioned the issue is that a road legal machine can be banned from certain areas on the whim of the locals. It’s the principle that is the discussion point for me.

I don't think there's anything wrong in principle with "locals" deciding what they want to happen "locally".

I disagree. I’m not a fan of NIMBY decision making.

I think that for facilities (such as roads) that are publicly funded then having locals decide which, otherwise legal, vehicles can and can't use those public roads is not a good move. If you want to restrict use of a road to otherwise legal vehicles then it seems only fair to me that you should pay for the road!

Quite.

The roads are for everyone. Not just the people that live near them.

Stupid decision making. Letting residents who are always bitter and twisted try and set policy.

[aeropilot]

Steve Bass said:

Pothole said:

Steve Bass said:

Pothole said:

Steve Bass said:

In the caseof the excluded motorcycles, I would suggest the law already provides many remedies in the event of road users contravening the rules of the road.

I bow to your knowledge of Austrian road regs...

it's not about the Austrian road regs. it's European basic law and the rights tot he population afforded individuals under it.

I understand your dissmissiveness on the basis that this is in Austria, but I'm commenting on the application of law, irrespective of location. And until the seperation of the UK and Europe is complete, these laws relate ttot he UK as well.

You're taking into account the situation I noted earlier near the Ace Cafe in your "slippery slope" assertions, are you? Doesn't seem very slippery so far, actually in England, does it?

Apologies, I'm not aware of the 'ace Cafe" situation tbh..

The Rainsford Ave closure, was because it's a business park/industrial area built on the old Guinness brewery site, that was very quiet on a weekend, and has some wide roundabouts and bends and straights all linked, some where taking the short ride from the Ace over to this area and using it as a race track......then going back to the Ace for a piss and a cuppa and then back to the industrial estate again....and rinse and repeat.
There's a small area of housing that backs onto the area on the north side at the Twyford Abbey Rd and that's where the complaints started.
The chav's in their 'drift' cars were just as guilty of making the noise as well, but residents just heard loud noises and it was easiest to put a bike ban sign up than a car ban sign. Must be a real PITA for anyone that works in that area that commutes by bike?

[stu67]

I was talking to guy in our German office today and he said there were big biker demo’s this weekend as the German government are consulting on the banning of riding motorcycles on a Sunday?
Don’t know how true this is as I’ve not seen anything?

[Ed.]

stu67 said:

I was talking to guy in our German office today and he said there were big biker demo’s this weekend as the German government are consulting on the banning of riding motorcycles on a Sunday?
Don’t know how true this is as I’ve not seen anything?

https://www.dw.com/en/germany-thousands-of-motorbikers-protest-proposed-sunday-ban/a-54053879

https://www.carandbike.com/news/germany-looks-to-b...

[stu67]

Ed. said:

https://www.dw.com/en/germany-thousands-of-motorbi...

https://www.carandbike.com/news/germany-looks-to-b...

Grim, doesn’t surprise me with the Germans, thought he may have been elaborating. I was once stopped by the Koln police for driving a transit with car trailer on a Sunday heading back to Belgium. They were convinced we would be sticking around to the Monday and issued me with a 60 euro fine after much discussion. We made a break for it like Steve McQueen, unlike Steve we made it across the border.

[Pothole]

aeropilot said:

Steve Bass said:

Pothole said:

Steve Bass said:

Pothole said:

Steve Bass said:

In the caseof the excluded motorcycles, I would suggest the law already provides many remedies in the event of road users contravening the rules of the road.

I bow to your knowledge of Austrian road regs...

it's not about the Austrian road regs. it's European basic law and the rights tot he population afforded individuals under it.

I understand your dissmissiveness on the basis that this is in Austria, but I'm commenting on the application of law, irrespective of location. And until the seperation of the UK and Europe is complete, these laws relate ttot he UK as well.

You're taking into account the situation I noted earlier near the Ace Cafe in your "slippery slope" assertions, are you? Doesn't seem very slippery so far, actually in England, does it?

Apologies, I'm not aware of the 'ace Cafe" situation tbh..

The Rainsford Ave closure, was because it's a business park/industrial area built on the old Guinness brewery site, that was very quiet on a weekend, and has some wide roundabouts and bends and straights all linked, some where taking the short ride from the Ace over to this area and using it as a race track......then going back to the Ace for a piss and a cuppa and then back to the industrial estate again....and rinse and repeat.
There's a small area of housing that backs onto the area on the north side at the Twyford Abbey Rd and that's where the complaints started.
The chav's in their 'drift' cars were just as guilty of making the noise as well, but residents just heard loud noises and it was easiest to put a bike ban sign up than a car ban sign. Must be a real PITA for anyone that works in that area that commutes by bike?

Yup, I knew that, or at least some of it. I still think it's a valid example of how we should not necessarily get all excited about something which may or may not happen in a completely different country and hold it up as an example of a slippery slope.

[Prof Prolapse]

fred bloggs said:

Well, Austria did spawn Hitler.

stu67 said:

Grim, doesn’t surprise me with the Germans

Should you pair not be somewhere else, colouring something in?

[aeropilot]

Pothole said:

Yup, I knew that, or at least some of it. I still think it's a valid example of how we should not necessarily get all excited about something which may or may not happen in a completely different country and hold it up as an example of a slippery slope.

The trouble is once politicians see things elsewhere that they think will get them votes they jump on the bandwagon pretty quickly.....being the slippery snakes that they are.
You only have to see what's happening in Brighton with the proposed continuation of the vehicle ban on Maderia Drive, which will kill off the London-Brighton Veteran's run, the Brighton Speed Trials and the Ace Cafe Brighton Run etc to see that slippery slope does indeed exist.
All these up and coming far too young greeny credential contral freak politicians are all anti-personal transport for the grubby masses........

[Pothole]

aeropilot said:

Pothole said:

Yup, I knew that, or at least some of it. I still think it's a valid example of how we should not necessarily get all excited about something which may or may not happen in a completely different country and hold it up as an example of a slippery slope.

The trouble is once politicians see things elsewhere that they think will get them votes they jump on the bandwagon pretty quickly.....being the slippery snakes that they are.
You only have to see what's happening in Brighton with the proposed continuation of the vehicle ban on Maderia Drive, which will kill off the London-Brighton Veteran's run, the Brighton Speed Trials and the Ace Cafe Brighton Run etc to see that slippery slope does indeed exist.
All these up and coming far too young greeny credential contral freak politicians are all anti-personal transport for the grubby masses........

Sigh...that doesn't YET appear to be the case in this specific scenario as the ban near the Ace has been in place since 2013 with no other bans snowballing from it. 7 years. Seven.

[Kawasicki]

stu67 said:

I was talking to guy in our German office today and he said there were big biker demo’s this weekend as the German government are consulting on the banning of riding motorcycles on a Sunday?
Don’t know how true this is as I’ve not seen anything?

My friend joined yesterdays protest. About 10,000 riders rode around the city.

The ban wasn't just for Sundays, it was all official holidays.

It looks like the politicians might be changing their minds.

[Pothole]

Kawasicki said:

stu67 said:

I was talking to guy in our German office today and he said there were big biker demo’s this weekend as the German government are consulting on the banning of riding motorcycles on a Sunday?
Don’t know how true this is as I’ve not seen anything?

My friend joined yesterdays protest. About 10,000 riders rode around the city.

The ban wasn't just for Sundays, it was all official holidays.

It looks like the politicians might be changing their minds.

That old Opel looks in good nick!

[Kawasicki]

Pothole said:

That old Opel looks in good nick!

Should be banned from city centres really!

Stinking old thing.

[irocfan]

Kawasicki said:

Should be banned from city centres really!

Stinking old thing.

- and there's a Harley next to it... guilty by association. Banned. Next!