Ace Cafe crash

[longshot]

A doughnutting car and a wheelying bike. What could possibly go wrong.

[CaptainMorgan]

castex said:

SMIDSY as an excuse becomes halfway reasonable when the oncoming vehicle's headlight is pointed at the clouds. Crossing a roundabout.

Oh no doubt but it doesnt mean you dont need to bother indicating, in the middle of nowhere with no one else around yeah you'll be alright to do it but Ace Cafe on a friday night on THAT roundabout is asking for trouble. Not excusing the scooter rider in the slightest, he deserved the wack, doubt it'll knock any sense into him though.

[anonymous-user]

rpguk said:

That was impressive! He was lucky to *just* miss those railings.

That was my first thought. Lucky boy.

[selym]

Baryonyx said:

'When idiots collide'.

A low point in Def Leppard's back catalogue.

[Biker's Nemesis]

kids will be kids.

[selym]

Biker's Nemesis said:

kids will be kids.

No-one wants to be a dead kid though. Bloody idiotic by both parties.

[Biker's Nemesis]

selym said:

Biker's Nemesis said:

kids will be kids.

No-one wants to be a dead kid though. Bloody idiotic by both parties.

You don't think when you're young though do you.

I know I never did, a valuable lesson learnt with only damage to vehicles.

[selym]

Biker's Nemesis said:

You don't think when you're young though do you.

I know I never did, a valuable lesson learnt with only damage to vehicles.

So true, glad I only rode a few bikes when I was young.

[SpeckledJim]

CaptainMorgan said:

castex said:

SMIDSY as an excuse becomes halfway reasonable when the oncoming vehicle's headlight is pointed at the clouds. Crossing a roundabout.

Oh no doubt but it doesnt mean you dont need to bother indicating, in the middle of nowhere with no one else around yeah you'll be alright to do it but Ace Cafe on a friday night on THAT roundabout is asking for trouble. Not excusing the scooter rider in the slightest, he deserved the wack, doubt it'll knock any sense into him though.

The driver's error wasn't failure to indicate. If you don't think anyone will benefit from the signal, then you shouldn't indicate. If he's seen the scooter, he wouldn't have turned - indicator or not.

His error was failure to spot the speeding scooter on his back wheel, unable to brake or turn.

If he had been indicating, would the outcome have been any different? No.

5% BMW fault, 95% scootist fault, IMO.

[dapearson]

heebeegeetee said:

The latest one.

Wheelying motorcyclists meets BMW with obligatory non-functioning indicators.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBNhTkATVWE

Wheelying? Looked like a scooter

[Darkslider]

Agreed, BMW looked to be about to execute a donut/180 with dab of oppo around the mini roundabout and was probably concentrating on getting the car set up with a sharp steering input and a bootful of throttle, rather than other stuff like signalling and keeping an eye out for speeding bikers.

Both stupid however and yeah, the majority of the fault has to lie with the biker if we're honest. However I reckon if the BMW driver was just making an ordinary right turn and was paying attention he would've seen the oncoming scooter, stopped on the roundabout in time and it would have been a complete non event.

[hman]

Mandown46 said:

The BMW is pretty much faultless, the bike rider is a complete idiot. Even if he had of been indicating, that bike was never able to stop in time.
Im sure the bikers insurers will have a great time with that.

So, tell how the accident happened.

"Well bruv, I was pulling a sick wheelie straight across a roundabout at nite wiv a car already on it innit...."

100% car driver not to blame as already on the roundabout. Scooter rider 1000000% tt.

[SpeckledJim]

It's a roundabout, not a normal junction. If you're on the roundabout, you have priority. It is up to other traffic to give way to you.

The indicator is a courtesy, but it doesn't change the above.

The scooter entered the roundabout when it wasn't clear to do so.

[CBR JGWRR]

dapearson said:

Wheelying? Looked like a scooter

Yes? Scooters can pop the front up as well, you just can't clutch it up...

100% Scooters fault. While the BMW may well have been about to try and perform a doughnut, he was already established on the roundabout and scooter kid should have used his brain cell.

[Robert Elise]

SpeckledJim said:

It's a roundabout, not a normal junction. If you're on the roundabout, you have priority. It is up to other traffic to give way to you.

The indicator is a courtesy, but it doesn't change the above.

The scooter entered the roundabout when it wasn't clear to do so.

big shock when on the continent, they don't indicate on roundabouts. once on it's your right of way.

[555 Paul]

Chances are that BMW had an open rear diff and donuts were just a pipe dream anyway. Scooter riders are a pain in the arse at Ace Cafe and they really spoil the evening and I've stopped attending bike nights due to these idiots on their crappy little scooters, Ace Cafe has sadly become over run by these chavs and it'll end up losing it's license and shutting down as a result.

[RumpleFugly]

555 Paul said:

Chances are that BMW had an open rear diff and donuts were just a pipe dream anyway. Scooter riders are a pain in the arse at Ace Cafe and they really spoil the evening and I've stopped attending bike nights due to these idiots on their crappy little scooters, Ace Cafe has sadly become over run by these chavs and it'll end up losing it's license and shutting down as a result.

Indeed, the 'herberts' as Mark Wilsmore calls them are a real pain. The Ace has already had multiple warnings about them and now thanks to the 2014 Anti-social behaviour crime and policing Act, any policeman can close them down on the spot. It's a very real problem

[Baryonyx]

As always with the Ace Cafe, I wonder just what is so good about that cafe that attracts so many bikers? I would have thought the last place anyone would want to hang out on a bike was London. But then I suppose it's a long, long way to any decent roads from there.

[VX Foxy]

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SpeckledJim said:

If he had been indicating, would the outcome have been any different? No.

Can I borrow your crystal ball? Or is it a time machine you use in these situations?

There is NO excuse for not indicating.

My guess is that the insurers will go 50/50.

[Biker's Nemesis]

Baryonyx said:

As always with the Ace Cafe, I wonder just what is so good about that cafe that attracts so many bikers? I would have thought the last place anyone would want to hang out on a bike was London. But then I suppose it's a long, long way to any decent roads from there.

No st Sherlock.