Will there be a next gamechanger?
Discussion
moanthebairns said:
Moulder said:
As much as it may grate should the GS be on the game changer list? Similar bikes always available but looking around at bike meets it has changed the face of riding.
Get to and take a flying f
k right there..... The gs is a utter piece of st and everything that is wrong with motorbiking these days. It's like the fking rav 4 of the biking world. 
Kneedragger95 said:
I think Forced Induction could well become the norm in the next decade. We're already seeing Kawasaki pushing supercharging with their H2 series of bikes.
Energy recovery systems are also another good shout, these would have to become a lot more compact and lighter though for it to really take off.
I wonder if we'll begin to see these technologies in MotoGP in the near future?
There is supposed to be electric racing at MotoGP events from 2019. Capirossi is testing, one make series with Energica .Energy recovery systems are also another good shout, these would have to become a lot more compact and lighter though for it to really take off.
I wonder if we'll begin to see these technologies in MotoGP in the near future?
mckeann said:
Panigale V4 I reckon
While I have no doubt it'll be a fantastic machine, I don't really see anything drastically different about the Panigale V4. Maybe the counter-rotating crankshaft but that's all I can think of.Unless of course this inspires all of the other Superbike manufacturers to increase their engine capacity to 1100 cc.
The 2040 deadline is only for conventional petrol and diesels, a hybrid system petrol plus a battery pack for example would still be able to be sold.
Bikes are not covered in any of the wording, as the total number of the overall road users is so low, it would make little difference.
Recently all the car manufacturers have announced plans to invest high amounts in electric vehicles, Vw is 40 billion, Ford 11 billion.
How does this affect us, what they are all gunning for is battery density.
If a battery pack of 80kg with todays standards gives us a range of 100 miles.
Doubling that would yield 200 miles from the same 80kg pack.
Yamaha have 2 electric bikes ready for production, aimed at the smaller end of the market equivalent to a 250cc.
The most advanced electric bike I can think of is the Mugen TT entry, the bike and it's control system has evolved over the years, but the battery pack at it's heart remains the same from it's first TT until now.
Which way the future of bikes is heading is anyones guess, in the short term forced induction could be one way to go.
The euro 5 emissions standard starts in 2021 for bikes, so the ones in development now will have an eye on that.
I don't see them going hybrid as the weight and packaging would be difficult.
Electric powered bikes are a possibility, if the density can be increased.
The next game changer, will depend on the technology advancement.
Bikes are not covered in any of the wording, as the total number of the overall road users is so low, it would make little difference.
Recently all the car manufacturers have announced plans to invest high amounts in electric vehicles, Vw is 40 billion, Ford 11 billion.
How does this affect us, what they are all gunning for is battery density.
If a battery pack of 80kg with todays standards gives us a range of 100 miles.
Doubling that would yield 200 miles from the same 80kg pack.
Yamaha have 2 electric bikes ready for production, aimed at the smaller end of the market equivalent to a 250cc.
The most advanced electric bike I can think of is the Mugen TT entry, the bike and it's control system has evolved over the years, but the battery pack at it's heart remains the same from it's first TT until now.
Which way the future of bikes is heading is anyones guess, in the short term forced induction could be one way to go.
The euro 5 emissions standard starts in 2021 for bikes, so the ones in development now will have an eye on that.
I don't see them going hybrid as the weight and packaging would be difficult.
Electric powered bikes are a possibility, if the density can be increased.
The next game changer, will depend on the technology advancement.
Edited by Shadow R1 on Sunday 21st January 13:51
CAPP0 said:
bogie said:
moanthebairns said:
Moulder said:
As much as it may grate should the GS be on the game changer list? Similar bikes always available but looking around at bike meets it has changed the face of riding.
Get to and take a flying fk right there..... The gs is a utter piece of st and everything that is wrong with motorbiking these days. It's like the fking rav 4 of the biking world. 
I dont think the GS was the game changer in that trend, it was those guys on the telly going on a long ride and inspiring lots of blokes to pretend to do the same thing....
As for game-changer - well, the R80 G/S was probably the bike that started the adventure thing? Or am I forgetting something prior to that?
The GS is like the Range Rover Evoke, only a bunch of sweaty lads with welding gear, rather than posh spice and a surgeon.
Afraid I agree with Bogie. It's going to be all collision avoidance, with bikes and cars actively communicating and even if not fully autonomous, being pretty idiot proof. Plenty on here will test that theory
Electronics have been the only real game changer. Pretty much everything else has just been a function of improved manufacturing methods and materials, mixed with easier ways to analyse and design and clever marketing.
The only properly 'new' thing that would have changed the game (had it carried on) would've been the rotary engine.
Everything else is just Slight refinement, nothing new design wise.
The only properly 'new' thing that would have changed the game (had it carried on) would've been the rotary engine.
Everything else is just Slight refinement, nothing new design wise.
Kneedragger95 said:
mckeann said:
Panigale V4 I reckon
While I have no doubt it'll be a fantastic machine, I don't really see anything drastically different about the Panigale V4. Maybe the counter-rotating crankshaft but that's all I can think of.Unless of course this inspires all of the other Superbike manufacturers to increase their engine capacity to 1100 cc.
mckeann said:
Kneedragger95 said:
mckeann said:
Panigale V4 I reckon
While I have no doubt it'll be a fantastic machine, I don't really see anything drastically different about the Panigale V4. Maybe the counter-rotating crankshaft but that's all I can think of.Unless of course this inspires all of the other Superbike manufacturers to increase their engine capacity to 1100 cc.
srob said:
Electronics have been the only real game changer. Pretty much everything else has just been a function of improved manufacturing methods and materials, mixed with easier ways to analyse and design and clever marketing.
The only properly 'new' thing that would have changed the game (had it carried on) would've been the rotary engine.
Everything else is just Slight refinement, nothing new design wise.
Totally disagree with this.The only properly 'new' thing that would have changed the game (had it carried on) would've been the rotary engine.
Everything else is just Slight refinement, nothing new design wise.
Monocoque chassis, engines as stressed members, latest Ducati that barely has a frame.
These aren't the result of slight refinements over the pressed steel frames or cradle steel frames of yesteryear.
LuS1fer said:
In my obviously longer life, the CB750F and the Gold Wing GL1000 were gamechangers.
This isn't really about the bikes specifically, but the technological changes they represented.So the C50 is irrelevant too
The original slabbie GSXR would be relevant in that it marked a point where major consideration was given to weight reduction and distribution. But the FireBlade is the start of what exists now.
Edited by cmaguire on Sunday 21st January 16:23
I'm baffled why the Ducati 916 didn't get a mention. That changed the world of litre superbikes forever.
I'm a bit 'meh' about the Ducati V4 as of yet. I will wait for the homologation version as usual.
but, well..
https://youtu.be/S0JYB4aI3-c
I'm a bit 'meh' about the Ducati V4 as of yet. I will wait for the homologation version as usual.
but, well..
https://youtu.be/S0JYB4aI3-c
Edited by Zoot_C on Sunday 21st January 17:14
poo at Paul's said:
1998 R1 was a game changer too.
More power, more electrics, yes, but it think the "development" is going to come from ancilliariy systems and parts, like tyres, electronic suspension, (active??), seemless gboxes, auto braking, radar cruise, aero and mass damper tech.
Ultimately the stacked gearbox is the main talking point on that though, the bike represents a marked step forward in performance/capability but I would say that is only a refinement of the ethos that the FireBlade set.More power, more electrics, yes, but it think the "development" is going to come from ancilliariy systems and parts, like tyres, electronic suspension, (active??), seemless gboxes, auto braking, radar cruise, aero and mass damper tech.
It is a standout bike though
Zoot_C said:
I'm baffled why the Ducati 916 didn't get a mention. That changed the world of litre superbikes forever.
I'm a bit 'me' about the Ducati V4 as of yet. I will wait for the homologation version as usual.
but, well..
https://youtu.be/S0JYB4aI3-c
Changed the world of 750s more like. By cheating. But that's par for the course. Cue the V4 already mentioned, although the cheating is at least only on the road now.I'm a bit 'me' about the Ducati V4 as of yet. I will wait for the homologation version as usual.
but, well..
https://youtu.be/S0JYB4aI3-c
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