Three jailed for dangerous driving

Three jailed for dangerous driving

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Krikkit

26,606 posts

182 months

Friday 29th November 2019
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moanthebairns said:
180-200 mph on a 97/98 zx6-r.......why the fk doesn't mines do anywhere near this.

Seriously though how the fk did the calculate the speeds, pluck them out the fking air.
A very optimistic speedo by the look of it! Looks more like 160.

moanthebairns

17,989 posts

199 months

Friday 29th November 2019
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Krikkit said:
moanthebairns said:
180-200 mph on a 97/98 zx6-r.......why the fk doesn't mines do anywhere near this.

Seriously though how the fk did the calculate the speeds, pluck them out the fking air.
A very optimistic speedo by the look of it! Looks more like 160.
I'm guessing he's changed the gearing.

CoolHands

18,808 posts

196 months

Friday 29th November 2019
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They probably had a court expert

outnumbered

4,110 posts

235 months

Friday 29th November 2019
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CoolHands said:
They probably had a court expert
They had Steve Callahan, who certainly views himself as an expert - although many on here would disagree.


mak

1,439 posts

227 months

Friday 29th November 2019
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Dibble said:
I’ve always tried to be pragmatic as a police officer - when I was on road policing, if I saw someone doing a well executed wheelie in an NSL and obviously having good control/awareness, they’d more than likely end up with nothing more than “words of advice”..
biggrin What a proper chap . Shame we have tossers to ruin your industry. As with all jobs there are a few. I take my chances on the road but those bell ends are pushing there luck.


Edited by mak on Friday 29th November 18:21

moanthebairns

17,989 posts

199 months

Friday 29th November 2019
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outnumbered said:
CoolHands said:
They probably had a court expert
They had Steve Callahan, who certainly views himself as an expert - although many on here would disagree.
It's not fking possible on these bikes. Like how the fk did this ever get near court. You'd struggle to do over 160 on that ninja, I mean it could take the whole of the m9 section between Stirling and Grangemouth to max that bike out properly. Why did a lawyer on the defence not at least tear this to shreds.

The rest of the riding fair enough. Utter Bellends.

NS400R

463 posts

160 months

Friday 29th November 2019
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Clearly the coppers are pleased with themselves and are choosing to use it as part of their propaganda. As noted earlier, we are unaware of previous convictions, but I blame the police for the lack of transparency on this point. I wish that they would be open and honest but that clearly doesn't suit their agenda. If the offenders have previous, say so. That helps explain the draconian sentences. But they prefer not to which does them no credit whatsoever.

kestral

1,748 posts

208 months

Friday 29th November 2019
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Prejudice still taking place towards bikers.

The article says at the bottom the judge said they "were thoroughly good young men". It also says they admmited the offence when questioned by the police.

FK what sentence thay would have got if they had plead not guilty and gone to trial with some previous!

Crazy courts again.

CoolHands

18,808 posts

196 months

Friday 29th November 2019
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moanthebairns said:
outnumbered said:
CoolHands said:
They probably had a court expert
They had Steve Callahan, who certainly views himself as an expert - although many on here would disagree.
It's not fking possible on these bikes. ... Why did a lawyer on the defence not at least tear this to shreds.

The rest of the riding fair enough. Utter Bellends.
because they pleaded guilty? So they admitted it. However implausible

kestral

1,748 posts

208 months

Saturday 30th November 2019
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As it was said by the law lords "it be bad for a man to be convicted, but it to be even worse he be convicted by his own words"

Admitting it is fecking fatal!

Andy XRV

3,846 posts

181 months

Saturday 30th November 2019
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kestral said:
As it was said by the law lords "it be bad for a man to be convicted, but it to be even worse he be convicted by his own words"

Admitting it is fecking fatal!
The law lords should update that "but it to be even worse he be convicted by his own video footage"

With the explosion in dash cams that kind of riding is risky enough but producing their own documented video of every offence probably didn't really give their legal team too many options…..




Edited by Andy XRV on Saturday 30th November 21:31

vonhosen

40,290 posts

218 months

Saturday 30th November 2019
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kestral said:
As it was said by the law lords "it be bad for a man to be convicted, but it to be even worse he be convicted by his own words"

Admitting it is fecking fatal!
I would imagine they had legal advisors who were aware of what their (best) options were in the circumstances they had found themselves.

Esceptico

7,603 posts

110 months

Sunday 1st December 2019
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kestral said:
Prejudice still taking place towards bikers.

The article says at the bottom the judge said they "were thoroughly good young men". It also says they admmited the offence when questioned by the police.

FK what sentence thay would have got if they had plead not guilty and gone to trial with some previous!

Crazy courts again.
I’m not saying there is no prejudice against bikers but clearly bks in this case. If a group of blokes in cars filmed themselves pulling that sort of st (150 mph, overtaking on white lines, doing donuts or getting that car completely sideways on roundabouts (with other traffic), they would have got similar sentences I think.

If you get caught by the cops being a knob then you can plead it was just a one-off. If you have filmed yourself many times it is clearly habitual behaviour and so warranting a much stiffer sentence.

Pretty simple really: don’t ride like a dick and don’t upload film of yourself riding like a dick.

anonymous-user

55 months

Sunday 1st December 2019
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Yet again YouTube proves itself to be a secret CIA plot to give knobheads a way to incriminate themselves.
Good effort knobheads. thumbup
(Prison Christmas dinners are probably not that bad)

kestral

1,748 posts

208 months

Sunday 1st December 2019
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vonhosen said:
I would imagine they had legal advisors who were aware of what their (best) options were in the circumstances they had found themselves.
We imagin they did. But would it have been better to go 'no comment' to that? Where was the advantage in admitting it?

What would have happened if they had gone no comment 6 penalty points and a £1000 fine failing to ID driver? Unless they were caught at the time.

They just seem to have been oblivious to what they were doing in every respect!

V8RX7

26,972 posts

264 months

Sunday 1st December 2019
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If they are normal guys and haven't been banned before, personally I'd see that as a 3 month ban.

That is actually a huge issue for most people and would make most have a long think before being so silly again.

A 12 month ban will almost certainly mean losing their jobs with possibly life changing results

A prison sentence is disgraceful - plenty of scum have got a lot less than that who set out to cause harm - this was just fun that got out of hand

vonhosen

40,290 posts

218 months

Sunday 1st December 2019
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kestral said:
vonhosen said:
I would imagine they had legal advisors who were aware of what their (best) options were in the circumstances they had found themselves.
We imagin they did. But would it have been better to go 'no comment' to that? Where was the advantage in admitting it?

What would have happened if they had gone no comment 6 penalty points and a £1000 fine failing to ID driver? Unless they were caught at the time.

They just seem to have been oblivious to what they were doing in every respect!
Not possible for me to say what was the best thing for them to personally do in the situation as I don't have enough details.
If they had gone not guilty & been convicted they would have got a stiffer sentence than they did.
If their legal advisor had seen what the Police had by way of evidence, the legal advisor may well have advised that their best outcome could have been achieved by doing what they did. Equally they may have had a crap legal advisor.
I don't think it's possible for us to say with any certainty what would have been best in their particular case without knowing more about their particular circumstances.

vonhosen

40,290 posts

218 months

Sunday 1st December 2019
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V8RX7 said:
If they are normal guys and haven't been banned before, personally I'd see that as a 3 month ban.

That is actually a huge issue for most people and would make most have a long think before being so silly again.

A 12 month ban will almost certainly mean losing their jobs with possibly life changing results

A prison sentence is disgraceful - plenty of scum have got a lot less than that who set out to cause harm - this was just fun that got out of hand
You might disagree with the sentence, but are you really surprised by it?
It doesn't surprise me that people convicted of multiple acts of dangerous driving get custodial sentences.

anonymous-user

55 months

Sunday 1st December 2019
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Daft riding, but it shows exactly everything that’s wrong with the justice system these days. Jail terms, taking productive people out of society, meanwhile letting ‘low priority’ criminals off the hook. Typical hysteria from the press, judge and Police.

vonhosen

40,290 posts

218 months

Sunday 1st December 2019
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yonex said:
Daft riding, but it shows exactly everything that’s wrong with the justice system these days. Jail terms, taking productive people out of society, meanwhile letting ‘low priority’ criminals off the hook. Typical hysteria from the press, judge and Police.
They may take an alternate view, something like that a single parent down on their luck stealing a chicken to feed the kids isn't comparable to people who they regard as putting people's lives at risk all in the name of a bit of fun.