Toseland, too tough for Moto GP?
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Pesty said:
If Valentino had made those passes not only would he be free from critisism everybidy would be wanking themselves off saying how much of a genious he was.
i seem to remember not that long ago there were some comments about his forceful overtakingpersonally i think JT it doing good but he is a more physical than others and i really hope he doesnt put it down the road. but hes been racing bikes for a long long time and if he things that a pass is alright then who are we to suggest hes wrong - hes still here many "strong" passes later
the way i see it is this....
toseland arrives, learns to ride the wheels of the thing pretty quickly and uses the overtaking skill earned in wsb against people that had become so sanitised that no one bar a couple of win or bin style guys would try.
in wsb they they are putting hard but fair passes on each other every race, and as someone has already mentioned haga et al all enjoyed riding against jt as they knew he wasnt going to be stupid and take them down.....
just imagine if haga, bayliss and xaus were all there to join the party, i think the moto gp pansys would soon learn what the the term "rubbins racin" is all about....
toseland arrives, learns to ride the wheels of the thing pretty quickly and uses the overtaking skill earned in wsb against people that had become so sanitised that no one bar a couple of win or bin style guys would try.
in wsb they they are putting hard but fair passes on each other every race, and as someone has already mentioned haga et al all enjoyed riding against jt as they knew he wasnt going to be stupid and take them down.....
just imagine if haga, bayliss and xaus were all there to join the party, i think the moto gp pansys would soon learn what the the term "rubbins racin" is all about....
xaus, did wel on a semi factory yam, nowhere near the spec of the tech 3 bike that jt has, and got on the podium on the sattelite pramac ducati, troy was a development mule for the original duke and haga did go well at times but he was in his ealry full on win or bin phase (but again, got on the podium)
but to get back to the point i was not refering to there success in the class but to the fact that in wsb and its various feeder classes are a much tougher enviroment pass wise than motogp, and once something like that becomes ingrained it doesnt just go away, and why should it??
at the end of the day i think the press has blown this "jt dangerous" out of all proportion, and then the bandwagon is jumped on.........
anyway,go jt, hope to see you on the podium soon, no doubt i will...
but to get back to the point i was not refering to there success in the class but to the fact that in wsb and its various feeder classes are a much tougher enviroment pass wise than motogp, and once something like that becomes ingrained it doesnt just go away, and why should it??
at the end of the day i think the press has blown this "jt dangerous" out of all proportion, and then the bandwagon is jumped on.........
anyway,go jt, hope to see you on the podium soon, no doubt i will...
castrolcraig said:
at the end of the day i think the press has blown this "jt dangerous" out of all proportion, and then the bandwagon is jumped on.........
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Yep its a nothing story just to create interest or imagined rivalry...
After all he hasnt fallen off yet but plenty of "Safe" overtakers have so far.
trumpet600 said:
Beemer-5 said:
Some things are.
VR will retire with more world titles than JT will.
That's one of 100 certainties i could give you.
So, it's just judged on titles alone? That would make Rossi quite inferior to Hailwood.VR will retire with more world titles than JT will.
That's one of 100 certainties i could give you.
The older champs, whilst brilliant for their day, were likely nowhere near fit enough, for one thing.
Quinny said:
Beemer-5 said:
Some things are.
VR will retire with more world titles than JT will.
That's one of 100 certainties i could give you.
Big deal.VR will retire with more world titles than JT will.
That's one of 100 certainties i could give you.
I bet he doesn't win a WSB championship.
Somthing that JT has done twice.
GP is a level above WSB, remember.
VR wouldn't want to win it, most likely.
(Foggy, for example, as good as he was in WSB, was never going to rule in the elite class.
GP.)
If you can ride you can ride simple as that, most wsb riders go into gp with a s
te bike, piss around at the back to piss off back to superbikes, who can blame them?
If foggy had a good bike he would of won something at that level, multiple racers or title?
biaggi, bayliss, xaus, haga have all put in good shows at gp level (with not a great bike)
if shane byrne went to gp's on a good bike, hell, who knows where he would be now.
If you can ride a superbike, you can ride a gp bike, just need the right tools, skill alone will win you nothing, except brownie points.
te bike, piss around at the back to piss off back to superbikes, who can blame them?If foggy had a good bike he would of won something at that level, multiple racers or title?
biaggi, bayliss, xaus, haga have all put in good shows at gp level (with not a great bike)
if shane byrne went to gp's on a good bike, hell, who knows where he would be now.
If you can ride a superbike, you can ride a gp bike, just need the right tools, skill alone will win you nothing, except brownie points.
Quinny said:
Beemer-5 said:
'Big deal'.
GP is a level above WSB, remember.
Is it?? A world championship is a world championship.GP is a level above WSB, remember.
If they're so much better in Moto GP, they shouldn't get upset if James ruffles a few feathers then.
And who's to say that if Foggy had had the same machinary as Doohan, Criville etc, he wouldn't have won a GP Championship or 2.
He never got a proper crack at it.
Remember at some tracks WSB times were quicker than the GP boys.
A WC is a WC?
So WC at BSB is as good as WC at GP is it?
Of course not.
Why not throw in world's best at billiards? !
The GP is the fastest and most extreme class of motorcycle racing. I love WSB and indeed, have had many a conversation with Foggy when and before/after his glory days, but he was never going to beat the likes of Doohan.
Edited by Beemer-5 on Monday 21st April 08:18
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