RE: PH Blog: Harris learns biking, part one

[Rawwr]

Kawasicki said:

learn to deliberately counter steer

Hmm, I think I have to disagree with this. I think it's better to let countersteering occur naturally and instinctively as second nature, which it should as pace picks up. Forcibly applying countersteer stops it from being that simple organic process.

[Biker's Nemesis]

Rawwr said:

Kawasicki said:

learn to deliberately counter steer

Hmm, I think I have to disagree with this. I think it's better to let countersteering occur naturally and instinctively as second nature, which it should as pace picks up. Forcibly applying countersteer stops it from being that simple organic process.

I agree.

[Rawwr]

Biker's Nemesis said:

I agree.

Bet you feel dirty now, don't you?

[Kawasicki]

Biker's Nemesis said:

Rawwr said:

Kawasicki said:

learn to deliberately counter steer

Hmm, I think I have to disagree with this. I think it's better to let countersteering occur naturally and instinctively as second nature, which it should as pace picks up. Forcibly applying countersteer stops it from being that simple organic process.

I agree.

I respect your opinions, but it worked for me.

I have followed riders who drift wide for no reason. They nervously mention that they ran out of grip, yet they were far from grip limit. Am I wrong to tell them they need to learn how to steer a bike, they actually think that steering is just a matter of leaning.

[MrKipling43]

Kawasicki said:

I respect your opinions, but it worked for me.

I have followed riders who drift wide for no reason. They nervously mention that they ran out of grip, yet they were far from grip limit. Am I wrong to tell them they need to learn how to steer a bike, they actually think that steering is just a matter of leaning.

Er, if you're telling them to try to countersteer all the way round a corner then yeah, you are wrong to tell people how to steer a bike!

[Kawasicki]

MrKipling43 said:

Kawasicki said:

I respect your opinions, but it worked for me.

I have followed riders who drift wide for no reason. They nervously mention that they ran out of grip, yet they were far from grip limit. Am I wrong to tell them they need to learn how to steer a bike, they actually think that steering is just a matter of leaning.

Er, if you're telling them to try to countersteer all the way round a corner then yeah, you are wrong to tell people how to steer a bike!

Why would I tell them that?

[Attilauk]

Enjoy Chris, i made the transition from cars to bikes 3 years ago and ive not looked back. when you start to look for your first 'big' bike make sure to consider a Triumph Street Triple, they really are the most fun you can have whilst wearing leather...

[heretheygo]

hostyle said:

Uhm... are you sure about this?

@harrismonkey said:

today is about speed:

Jumping in at the deep end

expect he'll feel more alive after 5 mins on the bike than hours in the porky.
(that's assuming monkey survives bikey )

[ZesPak]

hostyle said:

Uhm... are you sure about this?

@harrismonkey said:

today is about speed:

Jumping in at the deep end

Harris, later that day:

[hostyle]

heretheygo said:

expect he'll feel more alive after 5 mins on the bike than hours in the porky.
(that's assuming monkey survives bikey )

Probably 5 minutes of feeling very alive followed by a long time of feeling very dead...

[bugster]

I did this. Really fancied a bike. Passed my test. Bought a sports bike thinking as I love cars etc this is a good step. Didn't enjoy it though. Didn't feel good in traffic and generally just didn't enjoy the experience. Bike sold and never been on one again.

Still glad I did it. Cost me quite a bit of money with test, new bike, insurance but I would have always been thinking "I'd like a bike".

Now I know.

[BlackPrince]

MrKipling43 said:

Er, if you're telling them to try to countersteer all the way round a corner then yeah, you are wrong to tell people how to steer a bike!

Errrm, I thought thats what you do no?! I did CSS Level one and two about a year ago, and what they said was "quick steer" by a somehwat firm push on inside bar to desired lean angle, and then constant pressure throughout the turn until you pass the apex, and start to lean the bike back upright again but pushing on the outside bar as you roll on the throttle

[MrKipling43]

BlackPrince said:

Errrm, I thought thats what you do no?! I did CSS Level one and two about a year ago, and what they said was "quick steer" by a somehwat firm push on inside bar to desired lean angle, and then constant pressure throughout the turn until you pass the apex, and start to lean the bike back upright again but pushing on the outside bar as you roll on the throttle

Watch Twist of the Wrist 2.

.#standardadvice

[BlackPrince]

MrKipling43 said:

Watch Twist of the Wrist 2.

.#standardadvice

and i'd take advice from someone who rides a 1st gen Suzuki SV650 because...?

J/k plan to order TOTW2 and Crafar's new DVD [will just have to buy a bloody multi-region DVD player because he's only selling it in PAL/reg 0]

[MrKipling43]

BlackPrince said:

and i'd take advice from someone who rides a 1st gen Suzuki SV650 because...?

Mainly because the advice is excellent, and also because the bike you ride has nothing to do with how good you are at riding. There you go, two reasons.

[Steve Evil]

BlackPrince said:

MrKipling43 said:

Er, if you're telling them to try to countersteer all the way round a corner then yeah, you are wrong to tell people how to steer a bike!

Errrm, I thought thats what you do no?! I did CSS Level one and two about a year ago, and what they said was "quick steer" by a somehwat firm push on inside bar to desired lean angle, and then apply no further pressure throughout the turn until you pass the apex, and start to lean the bike back upright again but pushing on the outside bar as you roll on the throttle

Not to be pedantic, but I've edited your advice there as it goes against what they teach. Getting into the finer points of countersteering is not really something someone going through the DAS process really needs to get to grips with yet anyway. The simple mantra of look where you want to go is enough for now.

[Attilauk]

Steve Evil said:

Getting into the finer points of countersteering is not really something someone going through the DAS process really needs to get to grips with yet anyway. The simple mantra of look where you want to go is enough for now.

while i thoroughly agree with the look where you want to go advice i also believe that learning to countersteer from day one on a bike will help in the module 1 'swerve test' as it will allow you flick the bike through the swerve faster giving more space to brake. just my opinion though

[Rawwr]

Attilauk said:

while i thoroughly agree with the look where you want to go advice i also believe that learning to countersteer from day one on a bike will help in the module 1 'swerve test' as it will allow you flick the bike through the swerve faster giving more space to brake. just my opinion though

Is that the one a lot of people drop their bike on?

[MrKipling43]

Rawwr said:

Is that the one a lot of people drop their bike on?

I reckon it's probably the slow maneuvers most people drop it on, by going too slowly.

[bass gt3]

forgive my ignorance here, but how in God's name do you steer a bike if not by countersteering??
i know we don't want to get into the whole, 'how to etc', but without it, you can't steer.Not properly. A bit like leaning across your seat in a car as oppossed to operating the wheel.