Nortons current state

Nortons current state

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Neil1300r

5,487 posts

180 months

Thursday 2nd April 2020
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Looks like more asset stripping before Administration

https://www.visordown.com/news/general/norton-sold...

graham22

3,295 posts

207 months

Thursday 2nd April 2020
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Pothole said:
NS400R said:
Jazzy Jag said:
Unless Jinlang got possession of the 961 engine drawings and tooling before administration, they'll just be unsecured creditors like everyone else.
article said:
But Jinlang say the deal for the 961 engine platform, including all of the engine tooling, is not part of the administration process as the deal was already done.

There are photographs of the Jinlang Science and Technology Co LTD company director, Huacong Wu, signing a contract with Garner at the end of December.

A spokesman for Jinlang said: "We will work with our design partner in Italy to develop a new motorcycle using the 961 engine, which we will sell worldwide."
They may well have taken them away already.
It would be a great April Fool gag if it wasn't for real.

Feel sorry for everyone taken in by Norton (again).



gareth_r

5,776 posts

239 months

Thursday 2nd April 2020
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A ray of hope for those who did actually did manage to collect their 961s, I suppose. They may be able to keep them running.

Fundoreen

4,180 posts

85 months

Thursday 2nd April 2020
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Nice there may be a future supply of parts.
Dubious about how much they will be needed as you rarely see one moving.
Staggered they only really sold one a week and that somehow paid 100's of peoples weekly wages.
Disappointed nobody seemed to care about these facts at the time.
Worried that maybe a lot of businesses are similar scams.
Wonder how many of them are pulling in government help at the moment.

Ho Lee Kau

2,278 posts

127 months

Thursday 2nd April 2020
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Owned by Chinese, designed in Italy.

Wonder what Chinese will buy next?
In Europe there is already talk about defending against hostile takeovers (not that Germans did not sell out important companies to Chinese before).

gregs656

10,947 posts

183 months

Thursday 2nd April 2020
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Fundoreen said:
Nice there may be a future supply of parts.
Dubious about how much they will be needed as you rarely see one moving.
Staggered they only really sold one a week and that somehow paid 100's of peoples weekly wages.
Disappointed nobody seemed to care about these facts at the time.
Worried that maybe a lot of businesses are similar scams.
Wonder how many of them are pulling in government help at the moment.
They sold more than one a week, they didn't supply much more than that however.


lukeyman

1,018 posts

137 months

Friday 10th April 2020
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Do the 24 customers get their bikes back?

Krikkit

26,621 posts

183 months

Tuesday 14th April 2020
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Ho Lee Kau said:
Wonder what Chinese will buy next?
In Europe there is already talk about defending against hostile takeovers (not that Germans did not sell out important companies to Chinese before).
So what? International buyouts have been going on for centuries.

Birky_41

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4,321 posts

186 months

Wednesday 15th April 2020
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That man is dare I say it a dead man walking. At the very least he will be serving time. I'm sure (right or wrong to say this) there will be people quietly after him over this


Mr Dendrite

2,326 posts

212 months

Wednesday 15th April 2020
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Birky_41 said:
That man is dare I say it a dead man walking. At the very least he will be serving time. I'm sure (right or wrong to say this) there will be people quietly after him over this

That’s a bit harsh, I know he’s a bit full of himself but Neil Hodgson’s a good bloke really biggrin

Birky_41

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4,321 posts

186 months

Wednesday 15th April 2020
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Mr Dendrite said:
That’s a bit harsh, I know he’s a bit full of himself but Neil Hodgson’s a good bloke really biggrin
laughlaughlaughlaughlaugh

Pothole

34,367 posts

284 months

Wednesday 15th April 2020
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Birky_41 said:
That man is dare I say it a dead man walking. At the very least he will be serving time. I'm sure (right or wrong to say this) there will be people quietly after him over this

MCN are certainly going for the positive PR now. If only they hadn't kissed his backside for a decade and had blown his conman cover when their first journo suspected something, or the 5th time someone told them their bike was a year late and still not delivered maybe they could have done the other creditors and the rest of us a favour.

graeme4130

3,844 posts

183 months

Friday 17th April 2020
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Esceptico

7,635 posts

111 months

Friday 17th April 2020
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graeme4130 said:
Mmmm. I hope they did extensive due diligence, have a very good legal agreement and have lined up some lawyers as he seems a slippery customer and so there must be some risk of not having acquired all the rights to the Norton name and designs or that there are undisclosed liabilities.

However overall good news. I think the Norton bikes are good in principle - so if they can invest the funds to make them work/reliable and guarantee supply of quality parts then the end product could be good. I thought the Atlas range might make good road bikes.

NS400R

463 posts

161 months

Friday 17th April 2020
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Well done BDO & TVS

gareth h

3,581 posts

232 months

Saturday 18th April 2020
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Esceptico said:
graeme4130 said:
Mmmm. I hope they did extensive due diligence, have a very good legal agreement and have lined up some lawyers as he seems a slippery customer and so there must be some risk of not having acquired all the rights to the Norton name and designs or that there are undisclosed liabilities.

However overall good news. I think the Norton bikes are good in principle - so if they can invest the funds to make them work/reliable and guarantee supply of quality parts then the end product could be good. I thought the Atlas range might make good road bikes.
I thought the Chinese had bought the 961 engine, does that mean the Indians have missed out on that and got the 650 & V4?

Krikkit

26,621 posts

183 months

Saturday 18th April 2020
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Nice, hopefully everyone with a deposit will eventually get something. Being such an enormous brand like TVS it's not like they haven't got the funding to be able to stand by the customers they've inherited...

Pope

2,641 posts

249 months

Thursday 23rd April 2020
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https://www.ft.com/content/35640e2b-f5d4-4bd7-a419...

More good noise coming via the FT; with plans to restart and increase production - the best news for all - fingers crossed!

Edited by Pope on Thursday 23 April 18:14

Pothole

34,367 posts

284 months

Friday 24th April 2020
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Pope said:
https://www.ft.com/content/35640e2b-f5d4-4bd7-a419...

More good noise coming via the FT; with plans to restart and increase production - the best news for all - fingers crossed!

Edited by Pope on Thursday 23 April 18:14
[Joint MD of TVS] said production at its Donington Park site in Derby would be restarted to fulfil outstanding customer orders, but that Norton would require a newer, larger factory within six months to begin its expansion plans.

Are they going to buy 961 twins from the Chinese, then?