Nortons current state

Nortons current state

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Steve Bass

10,234 posts

235 months

Friday 24th April 2020
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Pothole said:
Are they going to buy 961 twins from the Chinese, then?
Possibly manufacture under license from the Chinese for the duration of the product life and then look to develop their own new mill or revise the 961 format after that.

Fire99

9,844 posts

231 months

Friday 24th April 2020
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Steve Bass said:
Possibly manufacture under license from the Chinese for the duration of the product life and then look to develop their own new mill or revise the 961 format after that.
I tell ya, and this is purely my own opinion here, I think it could be very interesting times ahead and I genuinely believe Norton as a brand will be in a pretty decent position by the end of the year..

Esceptico

7,675 posts

111 months

Friday 24th April 2020
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Fire99 said:
Steve Bass said:
Possibly manufacture under license from the Chinese for the duration of the product life and then look to develop their own new mill or revise the 961 format after that.
I tell ya, and this is purely my own opinion here, I think it could be very interesting times ahead and I genuinely believe Norton as a brand will be in a pretty decent position by the end of the year..
I hope you are right but think you are being too optimistic on the timing. If they want to do it right and build a proper base for the future they most likely need to redesign parts of the existing bikes to make them more reliable. Building up a proper supply chain again in the current environment won’t be easy either. I suspect they will need a few years to really get things sorted. If they are in for the long term it should turn out okay.

Jazzy Jag

3,443 posts

93 months

Sunday 17th May 2020
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I watched World's greatest motorcycle rides on TV earlier.

Henry Cole rode a Norton from John Ogroats to Lands End.

The bike was on bloody trade plates.
Not only illegal use of trade plates but cheap ass practices.

What's the betting the bike had a new speedo fitted and sold as new after?


Max5476

992 posts

116 months

Sunday 17th May 2020
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Jazzy Jag said:
I watched World's greatest motorcycle rides on TV earlier.

Henry Cole rode a Norton from John Ogroats to Lands End.

The bike was on bloody trade plates.
Not only illegal use of trade plates but cheap ass practices.

What's the betting the bike had a new speedo fitted and sold as new after?
When was this filmed? If we want Norton to succeed under their new ownership, we need to be careful not to continually drag up the disgraceful practices under their prior ownership, otherwise they will never be able to rebuild the brand.

Does anyone know if they have managed to deliver any bikes since TVS took other?

It's going to take 3 years (similar to RE and the UK designed bikes) before they can release a new bike from scratch, so it'll be interesting if they concentrate on improving the current models or starting a fresh.


gareth_r

5,796 posts

239 months

Sunday 17th May 2020
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lukeyman said:
John Hogan missed a little coincidence in that article.

When John Russell was CEO of London Taxis, he was, apprently, CEO of the parent company, Manganese Bronze.

Fifty-odd years ago, Dennis Poore, as chairman of Manganese Bronze, bought Associated Motor Cycles (Norton, AJS, Matchless, James, Francis-Barnett, Villiers), which then merged with the remnants of BSA (BSA, Triumph, Ariel) to become Norton Villiers Triumph (NVT).

I hope John Russell has better luck than Dennis Poore. smile

Fundoreen

4,180 posts

85 months

Sunday 17th May 2020
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Not really filled with confidence reading this. I thought they went bust but old owners still seem to have their claws in the operation.
And once again the chat is steered in the direction of racing.By the journo!
This is a brand for fat old blokes with too much money. No need to waste any resources on racing. Just mine the nostalgia market.
As soon as I read hydrogen I though its another foray into the wankel of deludedly thinking they are at the forefront.
bks to em really.

NS400R

463 posts

161 months

Sunday 17th May 2020
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Fundoreen said:
Not really filled with confidence reading this. I thought they went bust but old owners still seem to have their claws in the operation.
Sometimes you have no option but to rely on the crooks that bring an organisation to its knees as they understand it best and carefully managed are your best chance of success. It is galling though.

Pothole

34,367 posts

284 months

Sunday 17th May 2020
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Max5476 said:
Jazzy Jag said:
I watched World's greatest motorcycle rides on TV earlier.

Henry Cole rode a Norton from John Ogroats to Lands End.

The bike was on bloody trade plates.
Not only illegal use of trade plates but cheap ass practices.

What's the betting the bike had a new speedo fitted and sold as new after?
When was this filmed?
Years ago.

ETA: originally aired November 2013.


Edited by Pothole on Sunday 17th May 18:19

rodericb

6,828 posts

128 months

Monday 18th May 2020
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Fundoreen said:
Not really filled with confidence reading this. I thought they went bust but old owners still seem to have their claws in the operation.
And once again the chat is steered in the direction of racing.By the journo!
This is a brand for fat old blokes with too much money. No need to waste any resources on racing. Just mine the nostalgia market.
As soon as I read hydrogen I though its another foray into the wankel of deludedly thinking they are at the forefront.
bks to em really.
+1. Interestingly he said that the sportsbike was easier to produce. Is that true? I would have thought trying to keep ahead of the cutting edge of sportsbikes would consume a lot of time and resources.

ianrb

1,540 posts

142 months

Wednesday 24th June 2020
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Good news for anyone who had a pension from Norton.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2020/jun/24/n...


NS400R

463 posts

161 months

Wednesday 24th June 2020
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He needs locking up...

Turn7

23,754 posts

223 months

Wednesday 24th June 2020
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NS400R said:
He needs locking up...
I suspect it may yet coome to that....

Still owes McPint £60k for the TT......

Zakalwe

194 posts

63 months

Wednesday 24th June 2020
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ianrb said:
Good news for anyone who had a pension from Norton.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2020/jun/24/n...
Presumably if he had £14m knocking around then we’d still have this Norton sham lumbering on, fleecing the furlough scheme for 2000 “employees”. Good luck to the pension fund getting anything back off him

GadgeS3C

4,516 posts

166 months

Wednesday 24th June 2020
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Zakalwe said:
Presumably if he had £14m knocking around then we’d still have this Norton sham lumbering on, fleecing the furlough scheme for 2000 “employees”. Good luck to the pension fund getting anything back off him
Was going to post same. Only going to get paid back if he can use other people's money to do it.

Dick Dastardly

8,315 posts

265 months

Wednesday 24th June 2020
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As of this month his LinkedIn profile has changed from “CEO at Norton” to “Entrepreneur at Project 1”. So he’s currently cooking something up. God help the future staff, suppliers and customers of whatever this venture is.

In my experience, anyone who labels themselves as an Entrepreneur is anything but. They are in it for the kudos of wearing that badge and they usually fk everything up. Case in point.

Steve Bass

10,234 posts

235 months

Wednesday 24th June 2020
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Dick Dastardly said:
As of this month his LinkedIn profile has changed from “CEO at Norton” to “Entrepreneur at Project 1”
because LinkedIn won't let you put "Thieving "

J B L

4,201 posts

217 months

Thursday 25th June 2020
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https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-leicestershire...

Garner told by Ombudsman to repay 11 million.

Zakalwe

194 posts

63 months

Thursday 25th June 2020
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Maybe the government can invest another 25 mil to cover this and the pensions