Discussion
Jazoli said:
rodericb said:
So, race 1 at Aragon and Bautista stacks it twice and Rinaldi takes the win! Great ride by Petrucci from twenty-fourth on the grid to fifth at the end of the race. He stacked it early in superpole and didn't record a time.
Thanks, no need to watch it now......
The race is worth watching anyway, even more so if you don't like Bautista scampering off into the distance.
Jazoli said:
rodericb said:
So, race 1 at Aragon and Bautista stacks it twice and Rinaldi takes the win! Great ride by Petrucci from twenty-fourth on the grid to fifth at the end of the race. He stacked it early in superpole and didn't record a time.
Thanks, no need to watch it now......A993LAD said:
Rob 131 Sport said:
I wonder if he’ll beat Alex Lowes.
In what way? Into the gravel? The Lowes twins have spent half of their Racing Career in the gravel trap!
The rhetoric from Kawasaki is that Lowes now has to step up his game as they see Bassani on a learning year. Can't help but think Bassani will regret this move but he wanted a factory rider status so....
Apparently Manzi confirmed at Ten Kate for WSSP with Van Straalen as his team mate.
I think the Rea thing is misinformation, the whole situation is changing this year, minimum rider and machine weights, lower fuel levels, reduced rev limits for the Ducatis. Yeah Ducati and Bautista might win again but not to the extent they have this year, i think the next season will be a lot closer and with fuel metering telemetry - is that what they said? - coming in for 2025, the rules will tighten up further still.
Mind you, Rea made a good point earlier in the year. When both he and Kawasaki were dominant, they took the best part of 1500rpm off them, with Ducati naffing off into the sunset, they only took 500rpm off them. Granted it's only been two years of Ducati dominance as opposed to 6 years but they never decimated the field the way Ducati have this year and yes i know, they just need to build a better bike to cacth them up again.
I think the Rea thing is misinformation, the whole situation is changing this year, minimum rider and machine weights, lower fuel levels, reduced rev limits for the Ducatis. Yeah Ducati and Bautista might win again but not to the extent they have this year, i think the next season will be a lot closer and with fuel metering telemetry - is that what they said? - coming in for 2025, the rules will tighten up further still.
Mind you, Rea made a good point earlier in the year. When both he and Kawasaki were dominant, they took the best part of 1500rpm off them, with Ducati naffing off into the sunset, they only took 500rpm off them. Granted it's only been two years of Ducati dominance as opposed to 6 years but they never decimated the field the way Ducati have this year and yes i know, they just need to build a better bike to cacth them up again.
Here's the article: https://motorcyclesports.net/jonathan-rea-goes-pub...
Ducati bit the bullet after ten years of nothing and built what's a successful format in MotoGP.. They used the 2015 MotoGP bike as the basis of their new superbike. Same bore size, firing order, the crank spins backwards like the MotoGP bike, started using a aluminium beam chassis like everyone else. Then they had to wait for a rider good enough to run at the point end every race, then let him go and bring him back again when he'd sorted himself out.
Ducati bit the bullet after ten years of nothing and built what's a successful format in MotoGP.. They used the 2015 MotoGP bike as the basis of their new superbike. Same bore size, firing order, the crank spins backwards like the MotoGP bike, started using a aluminium beam chassis like everyone else. Then they had to wait for a rider good enough to run at the point end every race, then let him go and bring him back again when he'd sorted himself out.
rodericb said:
Here's the article: https://motorcyclesports.net/jonathan-rea-goes-pub...
Ducati bit the bullet after ten years of nothing and built what's a successful format in MotoGP.. They used the 2015 MotoGP bike as the basis of their new superbike. Same bore size, firing order, the crank spins backwards like the MotoGP bike, started using a aluminium beam chassis like everyone else. Then they had to wait for a rider good enough to run at the point end every race, then let him go and bring him back again when he'd sorted himself out.
Cementing his views with those of Yamaha, hardly a surprise but yes, it's not Ducati's fault they built the best bike by using their brains and interpreting the rules the way they have. Nor is it Bautista's fault he is slight and super fit plus a talented rider, everyone else just has to catch him although judging by his testing comments, the extra weight is going to cause him problems in fast corners and under braking, so until he gets used to the extra weight and how to ride around it, expect him to make a few mistakes.Ducati bit the bullet after ten years of nothing and built what's a successful format in MotoGP.. They used the 2015 MotoGP bike as the basis of their new superbike. Same bore size, firing order, the crank spins backwards like the MotoGP bike, started using a aluminium beam chassis like everyone else. Then they had to wait for a rider good enough to run at the point end every race, then let him go and bring him back again when he'd sorted himself out.
The issue Rea was making was bike costs, Ducati have basically done what Aprilia did with the RSV4 initially made a sort of budget GP bike, that thing also made everyone look silly,Biaggi just had his lane to pull out and pass on every straight but I cannot recall if it was almost twice the price of a Honda, Suzuki etc.
the Ducati is a very expensive bike.
You cannot blame Ducati for this, but it has now dominated every class it has raced in for 2023 and parts of 22, both BSB and SBK main titles gone to the same maker.
That is not great for the future of any series. And it has to be sorted which is why the decisions have been made. I mean cmon that Suprtsport bike is basically a full on 950 Superbike from less than 15 years ago!
the Ducati is a very expensive bike.
You cannot blame Ducati for this, but it has now dominated every class it has raced in for 2023 and parts of 22, both BSB and SBK main titles gone to the same maker.
That is not great for the future of any series. And it has to be sorted which is why the decisions have been made. I mean cmon that Suprtsport bike is basically a full on 950 Superbike from less than 15 years ago!
I think the supersport rules are a bit silly but I don't know much about them.
Regarding the Aprilia, the RSV4 production bike came out in 2009. The engine out of that was used in the CRT bikes in 2012. The V4 Aprilia MotoGP bike first raced in 2015. Again, and as you've said, Aprilia clean-sheeted their superbike and made it much more of a racebike than the RSV. Honda did pretty well out of the V4 engine in superbike too....
I think the pricing of the Ducati is a bit of a red herring. Yes, the Panigale R is expensive but that's because there's punters out their willing to pay the R tax when the S is probably the better bike for the road. The Panigale S and R have the same bore, it's the increased stroke of the S which gives it more capacity and thus more torque.
Regarding the Aprilia, the RSV4 production bike came out in 2009. The engine out of that was used in the CRT bikes in 2012. The V4 Aprilia MotoGP bike first raced in 2015. Again, and as you've said, Aprilia clean-sheeted their superbike and made it much more of a racebike than the RSV. Honda did pretty well out of the V4 engine in superbike too....
I think the pricing of the Ducati is a bit of a red herring. Yes, the Panigale R is expensive but that's because there's punters out their willing to pay the R tax when the S is probably the better bike for the road. The Panigale S and R have the same bore, it's the increased stroke of the S which gives it more capacity and thus more torque.
Edited by rodericb on Saturday 18th November 12:35
slopes said:
rodericb said:
Here's the article: https://motorcyclesports.net/jonathan-rea-goes-pub...
Ducati bit the bullet after ten years of nothing and built what's a successful format in MotoGP.. They used the 2015 MotoGP bike as the basis of their new superbike. Same bore size, firing order, the crank spins backwards like the MotoGP bike, started using a aluminium beam chassis like everyone else. Then they had to wait for a rider good enough to run at the point end every race, then let him go and bring him back again when he'd sorted himself out.
Cementing his views with those of Yamaha, hardly a surprise but yes, it's not Ducati's fault they built the best bike by using their brains and interpreting the rules the way they have. Nor is it Bautista's fault he is slight and super fit plus a talented rider, everyone else just has to catch him although judging by his testing comments, the extra weight is going to cause him problems in fast corners and under braking, so until he gets used to the extra weight and how to ride around it, expect him to make a few mistakes.Ducati bit the bullet after ten years of nothing and built what's a successful format in MotoGP.. They used the 2015 MotoGP bike as the basis of their new superbike. Same bore size, firing order, the crank spins backwards like the MotoGP bike, started using a aluminium beam chassis like everyone else. Then they had to wait for a rider good enough to run at the point end every race, then let him go and bring him back again when he'd sorted himself out.
He's a machine, ridiculously fit, I'd be very surprised if he didn't win it again.
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