Knees down! whats going wrong here...
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308mate said:
y2blade said:
308mate said:
sammy_bibs said:
Hi,
Recently had new rear tire fitted and she's wearing in ok most of the way round but getting to them evil edges is proving to be a real pain! I seem to have a lot more fear on the road than on the track, however I want to clarify that I am not killing my bike the way I am riding it.
I have a nice roundabout just near me, that offers 2 long swooping bends to get down on (I see them all the time at it) anyhow I am going round this at about 30Mph in 1st gear at about 9500 revs on my CBR600. Would I be better of trying higher gear lower revs? I understand the 60/40 ratio but I fear that if I drop a gear and drop the revs the bike will just slide out once I get it down (if ever!).
Can you share you wise and wonderfull wisdom on this one?
Sam..
Recently had new rear tire fitted and she's wearing in ok most of the way round but getting to them evil edges is proving to be a real pain! I seem to have a lot more fear on the road than on the track, however I want to clarify that I am not killing my bike the way I am riding it.
I have a nice roundabout just near me, that offers 2 long swooping bends to get down on (I see them all the time at it) anyhow I am going round this at about 30Mph in 1st gear at about 9500 revs on my CBR600. Would I be better of trying higher gear lower revs? I understand the 60/40 ratio but I fear that if I drop a gear and drop the revs the bike will just slide out once I get it down (if ever!).
Can you share you wise and wonderfull wisdom on this one?
Sam..
Are you serious? You want advice about how to scrub off every last mm of your chicken strip?
Ok:
stop wasting your time trying to scrub out your entire chicken strips you clown! Many of the fastest riders I know, have chicken strips of some sort when on the road. It means nothing. Plus the fact different tyres have different profiles, so its easier to scrub them off some than it is others. (for instance, youll be going well to get a Diablo Corsa right to the edge on the road, but its not such a big deal with a Pilot Sport)
Put the same effort into getting smooth and never going below 8000rpm on your next breakfast run and youll find you wont even care about getting your knee down. In fact, I would bet money that you know at least two people who ride faster than you who dont drag their knee on the road(?)
So why all the fuss?
Besides, chicks are far more impressed by wheelies, get those down-pat first!
well said
i rarely get my knee down on the road unless i "want" to wheelies are where its at...esp 3rd gear stand-ups atm
Niiice. Are you clutching it up in third? Standard gearing on the blade? i never clutch my wheelies up no need,yes std gearing but the blade has had a bit of tuning work (Akrapovic ti, airbox mod's and PC3 with custom map to suit) and is putting out alot more midrange than a stocker
sammy_bibs said:
Y2, will you be out over the weekend sat/sun, I notice your a hampshire lad to, maybe I could pick your brain for some tips. Go for a spin and show me how it's done, I sometimes head up to portsdown hill to see who over there, but seems everyone else flocks to other places, alton & dorking I believe. :P
Sam...
Sam...
im going with a mate tomorrow to look at some BMW's (for him not me)
and im away all day sunday
but yeah we will have to get together and i'll give you some pointers! you will prob need to clutch it up looking at your bike in your profile! but wont be a problem as i used to do wheelies on my old GSX600FS ...if you can wheelie one of them you can wheelie ANYTHING
catch you soon mate,remember DONT try and rush it and NEVER practise infront of a crowd/mates
keep safe
One of the lads on the other forums I visit thinks that getting your knee down is cool, he´s even posted a pic, see:
Personally it looks silly to me, hanging off the bike like that, I have no chicken strips front or rear on my bike or hero blobs left and I have NEVER got my knee down on a public road (well I have but it was knee, elbow, head etc), there is just no need in my opinion!
My 2p
Personally it looks silly to me, hanging off the bike like that, I have no chicken strips front or rear on my bike or hero blobs left and I have NEVER got my knee down on a public road (well I have but it was knee, elbow, head etc), there is just no need in my opinion!
My 2p
Edited by _Dave_ on Friday 13th April 20:48
If you want to get your knee down, the this topic
www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=378459&f=74&h=0
www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=378459&f=74&h=0
For me..knee down is simply great fun...however it`s not often you can do it on the road without barrelling into corners so fast that you can`t see round them...or overdoing the hanging off....on trackdays...I always feel theres unfinished business unless I`ve got kneeslider contact on most of the corners...although the fast boys are more interested in getting the bike as upright ,as early in the corner as possible to squirt some forward momentum out of the corner and onto the straights...
F.M said:
For me..knee down is simply great fun...however it`s not often you can do it on the road without barrelling into corners so fast that you can`t see round them...or overdoing the hanging off....on trackdays...I always feel theres unfinished business unless I`ve got kneeslider contact on most of the corners...although the fast boys are more interested in getting the bike as upright ,as early in the corner as possible to squirt some forward momentum out of the corner and onto the straights...
I'd agree with that, struggled for ages to get my knee down, then just after I had succeeded on my favourite roundabout I did a few track days at Brands, and ended up adjusting my riding position etc to try and keep my knee and calf sliders more out of the way!!!
Still great fun though in the right place....
...now wheelies, never really been any good at these, the odd power wheelie and a bit of air over a crest has been about my limit, lack of bottle
FrenchTVR said:
...now wheelies, never really been any good at these, the odd power wheelie and a bit of air over a crest has been about my limit, lack of bottle
Learn on a trials bike (NOT a trail bike)... you can wheelie in any gear, if you go too high you can step off the back (and get back on!), and they were designed to do it!
I've got one of these:
And just being on something like that bizarrely makes you go faster on the track cos you are happier when the tyres let go (at the same time!), or the back tries to come round and meet the front!
3psi in the back tyre sir?! Oh! Suit you!
LordLanky said:
FrenchTVR said:
...now wheelies, never really been any good at these, the odd power wheelie and a bit of air over a crest has been about my limit, lack of bottle
Learn on a trials bike (NOT a trail bike)... you can wheelie in any gear, if you go too high you can step off the back (and get back on!), and they were designed to do it!
I've got one of these:
And just being on something like that bizarrely makes you go faster on the track cos you are happier when the tyres let go (at the same time!), or the back tries to come round and meet the front!
3psi in the back tyre sir?! Oh! Suit you!
I have grown up with trials bikes. Great fun. Last one was a Montesa, but also had Fantic 250, Yam TY250 and a 4 stroke Honda, loads on torque in that.
Like you say easy to wheelie
D
Hi sammy,
Why don't you try some training? It's amazing how much people invest in their bike, compared to how little in learning new riding skills. A day invested in advanced training, some dirt biking or a race school will make your riding miles more rewarding.
If you want to go quick on track, then my personal recommendation would be the California Superbike School. However, if you want to go quick on the road, then I personally recommend Rapid Training: www.rapidtraining.co.uk
Taking quality-advanced training is like an awakening; it should result in your confidence and ability going sky high. No more bike with you sat on it, the two of you should become one, a fluid flowing style where its become hard to fit the grin in the crash helmet, that's what we are after. The added bonus should be that your safety margins increase in line with your new found skills.
Either way, you'd be surprised how much a day's training can improve your biking
Cheers
sammy_bibs said:
Ah i'm sure one will be ok, I get 'the fear' to much and cant do these things, but I see others doing it with such ease!! Fraustration...
Why don't you try some training? It's amazing how much people invest in their bike, compared to how little in learning new riding skills. A day invested in advanced training, some dirt biking or a race school will make your riding miles more rewarding.
If you want to go quick on track, then my personal recommendation would be the California Superbike School. However, if you want to go quick on the road, then I personally recommend Rapid Training: www.rapidtraining.co.uk
Taking quality-advanced training is like an awakening; it should result in your confidence and ability going sky high. No more bike with you sat on it, the two of you should become one, a fluid flowing style where its become hard to fit the grin in the crash helmet, that's what we are after. The added bonus should be that your safety margins increase in line with your new found skills.
Either way, you'd be surprised how much a day's training can improve your biking
Cheers
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