Will there be a next gamechanger?
Discussion
Pothole said:
I thought their bikes looked superb and felt great to sit on at the NEC the other month. Surely at the rate materials tech is moving battery life (and therefrom, range) and quick charging can't be far off, can they?
Many people have been suggesting and relying on this huge leap in battery technology for a long time, now.still no sign of it, though...
BobSaunders said:
Electric will be the next big game changer.
My thoughts too. The internal combustion engine is doomed, once battery/charging technology has moved on we’ll all be riding/driving electric stuff. Max torque available instantly is going to become very addictive and sounds ideal for “fun” transport. 100 mile range is adequate, few bikes can do more than that now once you’re opening the taps...TallPaul said:
BobSaunders said:
Electric will be the next big game changer.
My thoughts too. The internal combustion engine is doomed, once battery/charging technology has moved on we’ll all be riding/driving electric stuff. Max torque available instantly is going to become very addictive and sounds ideal for “fun” transport. 100 mile range is adequate, few bikes can do more than that now once you’re opening the taps...Battery life, charging times and packaging constraints are all why the electric bike will never happen. Look at the current crop. One trick ponies because of the range and recharging constraints. Anyone thinking that will change in the foreseeable future is dreaming.
Hydrogen is the answer.
Most abundant element in the universe, can be used in ICE's and no output other than water.
In the near term the next improvements will be small capacity forced induction and incremental improvements in the capacity of the electronic frontier.
Also, as McKean says, I think manufacturer's may finally break the link between racing and road bikes and we'll see an open engine capacity approach to road bikes. Ducati and Aprilia have started the ball rolling.
Hydrogen is the answer.
Most abundant element in the universe, can be used in ICE's and no output other than water.
In the near term the next improvements will be small capacity forced induction and incremental improvements in the capacity of the electronic frontier.
Also, as McKean says, I think manufacturer's may finally break the link between racing and road bikes and we'll see an open engine capacity approach to road bikes. Ducati and Aprilia have started the ball rolling.
obscene said:
H2? Or any of the supercharged Kawis? Seems to be a route most will go down before electric bikes work.
What I was going to addThe H2 does 33MPG combined if your lucky the SX is said to be doing 50MPG. yes similar engine better miles. mostly due to ECU I would have thought.
But hearing lots of things about smaller engines with the supercharger coming int he next year or 2 via my local dealer
IE going the way of the car. smaller engine, forced induction = good power and better MPG possibly.
The way 'anti-stack" electronics are going and people seeming quite keen to defer to safety mechanisms (even justifying it as 'it makes me faster...') when the R1 comes out with two front wheels ala the Niken that'll be a game changer of sorts. It'll have to have the suspension inboard like the Tri City scooter to lighten the look and maybe some other rejigging to be able to increase and decrease the distance between the front wheels.
They may even sweeten it with some chopped carbon fibre subframes and pre-loaded gearbox (MotoGP seamless shift, Lambo ISR stuff).
They may even sweeten it with some chopped carbon fibre subframes and pre-loaded gearbox (MotoGP seamless shift, Lambo ISR stuff).
I think bikes being so high performing, in just about all areas, any "gamechanger" will have to focus on what they're a bit s
t at, and that is perceptions of safety, and how accessible the performance is.
So I'd speculate the next game changer will be a marked increase in riders aids personally.
Timing wise, it's in it's infancy, but you've got motorcycles which are piloted by AI now on track, so presumably there's a huge increase in the knowledge around how to get the bikes around being generated (I reckon this is why Yamaha does it personally).
I think it's also fair to say we've seen since the introduction of bikes like the S1000RR, and HP4, that most motorcyclists are open to the technology, and willing to pay for it. So I think there's both a gap and a market to drive it personally.
t at, and that is perceptions of safety, and how accessible the performance is.So I'd speculate the next game changer will be a marked increase in riders aids personally.
Timing wise, it's in it's infancy, but you've got motorcycles which are piloted by AI now on track, so presumably there's a huge increase in the knowledge around how to get the bikes around being generated (I reckon this is why Yamaha does it personally).
I think it's also fair to say we've seen since the introduction of bikes like the S1000RR, and HP4, that most motorcyclists are open to the technology, and willing to pay for it. So I think there's both a gap and a market to drive it personally.
pessimal said:
just read something on another thread that made me think
dealers getting it together and allowing new riders a test ride, rather than making us buy a bike blind!
You want bike dealers to understand the basic retail principle of encouraging repeat business and looking at long term income streams? Most other retailers barely manage this. It would be something of a game changer, but it's about as likely as a 400bhp bike powered by unicorn farts.dealers getting it together and allowing new riders a test ride, rather than making us buy a bike blind!
cmaguire said:
During my lifetime I would say there have been three.
The GPZ900R in 1984
The FireBlade in 1992, a bigger gamechanger, and current bikes are all an evolution of this
Not sure why the small lightweight Fireblade was a gamechanger over the small lightweight Kwacker 900? Just same, but better.The GPZ900R in 1984
The FireBlade in 1992, a bigger gamechanger, and current bikes are all an evolution of this
I remember reading about the GPZ when it came out thinking it had no chance against the FJ1100 and Honda 1000VF.
Steve Bass said:
Battery life, charging times and packaging constraints are all why the electric bike will never happen. Look at the current crop. One trick ponies because of the range and recharging constraints. Anyone thinking that will change in the foreseeable future is dreaming.
Hydrogen is the answer.
Most abundant element in the universe, can be used in ICE's and no output other than water.
That's true, however the bit that converts the hydrogen into energy, with a few simple modifications could be turned into something the yanks dropped over Japan in 1944.Hydrogen is the answer.
Most abundant element in the universe, can be used in ICE's and no output other than water.
It's why all the funding for Hydrogen disappeared.
Jazzy Jag said:
TallPaul said:
once battery/charging technology has moved on
.
And there it is again...
When?
Toyota look to have this progressing well presumably due to Denso.
Would be funny having another japanese bike manufacturer
Edited by Gandahar on Monday 22 January 17:47
Shadow R1 said:
Steve Bass said:
Battery life, charging times and packaging constraints are all why the electric bike will never happen. Look at the current crop. One trick ponies because of the range and recharging constraints. Anyone thinking that will change in the foreseeable future is dreaming.
Hydrogen is the answer.
Most abundant element in the universe, can be used in ICE's and no output other than water.
That's true, however the bit that converts the hydrogen into energy, with a few simple modifications could be turned into something the yanks dropped over Japan in 1944.Hydrogen is the answer.
Most abundant element in the universe, can be used in ICE's and no output other than water.
It's why all the funding for Hydrogen disappeared.
Firstly the bombs dropped on Japan had nothing to do with this as they didn't use hydrogen fusion as an energy source, secondly, the bit that converts hydrogen into energy is simply called
"burning"
a chemical reaction that people have been doing for centuries. What are these simple modifications you mention?
Gandahar said:
Worst post ever scientifically wise. Well done!
Firstly the bombs dropped on Japan had nothing to do with this as they didn't use hydrogen fusion as an energy source, secondly, the bit that converts hydrogen into energy is simply called
"burning"
a chemical reaction that people have been doing for centuries. What are these simple modifications you mention?
All that aside, almost every iteration of transport has been almost entirely driven by fashion and marketing. Firstly the bombs dropped on Japan had nothing to do with this as they didn't use hydrogen fusion as an energy source, secondly, the bit that converts hydrogen into energy is simply called
"burning"
a chemical reaction that people have been doing for centuries. What are these simple modifications you mention?
All the Hollywood A-list are cruising about in 'leccy cars and so I'm sure that electric bikes will be next.
As for battery capacity, I worked on the original Tesla Roadster and at that time everyone laughed at the idea of an all-electric car, let alone a sports car. Now look at Tesla. Even on my rural commute I see at least two every day and out local pub has Tesla chargers outside.
I think battery exchange will be not far in the future which will change the game again.
srob said:
Gandahar said:
Worst post ever scientifically wise. Well done!
Firstly the bombs dropped on Japan had nothing to do with this as they didn't use hydrogen fusion as an energy source, secondly, the bit that converts hydrogen into energy is simply called
"burning"
a chemical reaction that people have been doing for centuries. What are these simple modifications you mention?
All that aside, almost every iteration of transport has been almost entirely driven by fashion and marketing. Firstly the bombs dropped on Japan had nothing to do with this as they didn't use hydrogen fusion as an energy source, secondly, the bit that converts hydrogen into energy is simply called
"burning"
a chemical reaction that people have been doing for centuries. What are these simple modifications you mention?
All the Hollywood A-list are cruising about in 'leccy cars and so I'm sure that electric bikes will be next.
As for battery capacity, I worked on the original Tesla Roadster and at that time everyone laughed at the idea of an all-electric car, let alone a sports car. Now look at Tesla. Even on my rural commute I see at least two every day and out local pub has Tesla chargers outside.
I think battery exchange will be not far in the future which will change the game again.
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