The T*at on the Yellow R1
Discussion
VAG_LUVER said:
I doubt an R6 would beat a 400bhp TVR round Mallory if it was setup right in the Dry.
Watched alot of races there, bikes and cars. R1 probably would spank it easy - R6 Maybe but doubt it and not in the wet.
Watched alot of races there, bikes and cars. R1 probably would spank it easy - R6 Maybe but doubt it and not in the wet.
A properly set up R6 wouldn't be that much slower than an R1, generally 600cc bikes can carry more corner speed than the 1,000cc bikes. Last year at the BSB round Cal Crutchlow went round Mallory in 57.409 on a Honda CBR600RR and Gregorio Lavilla went round in 55.982 on a Ducati 999R; about 1.5 secs difference, and I bet that time was made up on Kirkby straight, Gerards and Stebbe straight.
Edited by Andy Oh on Wednesday 21st February 14:55
Andy Oh said:
VAG_LUVER said:
I doubt an R6 would beat a 400bhp TVR round Mallory if it was setup right in the Dry.
Watched alot of races there, bikes and cars. R1 probably would spank it easy - R6 Maybe but doubt it and not in the wet.
Watched alot of races there, bikes and cars. R1 probably would spank it easy - R6 Maybe but doubt it and not in the wet.
A properly set up R6 wouldn't be that much slower than an R1, generally 600cc bikes can carry more corner speed than the 1,000cc bikes. Last year at the BSB round Cal Crutchlow went round Mallory in 57.409 on a Honda CBR600RR and Gregorio Lavilla went round in 55.982 on a Ducati 999R; about 1.5 secs difference, and I bet that time was made up on Kirkby straight, Gerards and Stebbe straight.
Edited by Andy Oh on Wednesday 21st February 14:55
VAG_LUVER said:
I doubt an R6 would beat a 400bhp TVR round Mallory if it was setup right in the Dry.
Watched alot of races there, bikes and cars. R1 probably would spank it easy - R6 Maybe but doubt it and not in the wet.
Watched alot of races there, bikes and cars. R1 probably would spank it easy - R6 Maybe but doubt it and not in the wet.
Come on man, you haven't seen me ride... Trust me, it's quite a sight
My R6 has had some serious modifications... vag_luver said:
Andy Oh said:
VAG_LUVER said:
I doubt an R6 would beat a 400bhp TVR round Mallory if it was setup right in the Dry.
Watched alot of races there, bikes and cars. R1 probably would spank it easy - R6 Maybe but doubt it and not in the wet.
Watched alot of races there, bikes and cars. R1 probably would spank it easy - R6 Maybe but doubt it and not in the wet.
A properly set up R6 wouldn't be that much slower than an R1, generally 600cc bikes can carry more corner speed than the 1,000cc bikes. Last year at the BSB round Cal Crutchlow went round Mallory in 57.409 on a Honda CBR600RR and Gregorio Lavilla went round in 55.982 on a Ducati 999R; about 1.5 secs difference, and I bet that time was made up on Kirkby straight, Gerards and Stebbe straight.
Edited by Andy Oh on Wednesday 21st February 14:55
Again I beg to differ, there won't be much in it. I know an R6 is down on power compared to an R1, I know this because I did own both at the same time for about a year, but an R6 will carry more speed through the corners so there won't be a huge difference.
As for the first point, it seem Mr Jellison you were still thinking you were a driving god & that no-one could possibly pass you & therefore just drove in the outside lane. Then, all of a sudden, a bike comes flying past catching you out. Obviously, the biker must be a knob.
As for the R6, 400bhp TVR scenario. Too many variables to decide which is quicker around a track. Which track, who's riding/driving, weather, mods to either machine. Bikers have far more to lose when 'pushing on' as they don't have roll cages, so your average joe would be quicker in a car. That doesn't mean the car is quicker though.
As for the R6, 400bhp TVR scenario. Too many variables to decide which is quicker around a track. Which track, who's riding/driving, weather, mods to either machine. Bikers have far more to lose when 'pushing on' as they don't have roll cages, so your average joe would be quicker in a car. That doesn't mean the car is quicker though.
Difficult to compare but my Griff200 when built to a spec that mates is will run about 51's on the car track.
400bhp and 850kg (not the widest tyre in the world) - Suppose in the dry the Chim with 250bhp more but same power woul run in the low 53's.
Like someone said not the same track - but with the track pre 06 format with just the Chicane before the Devils Elbow. The bikes probably looseabout 7 sec's and those time are Full on race bikes.
An R6 won't get away from me on a long straight but a R1 defiantely would. Cars have 4 big fat footprint to get all that power to the road - makes a big difference.
400bhp and 850kg (not the widest tyre in the world) - Suppose in the dry the Chim with 250bhp more but same power woul run in the low 53's.
Like someone said not the same track - but with the track pre 06 format with just the Chicane before the Devils Elbow. The bikes probably looseabout 7 sec's and those time are Full on race bikes.
An R6 won't get away from me on a long straight but a R1 defiantely would. Cars have 4 big fat footprint to get all that power to the road - makes a big difference.
So reading MCN last night. A full on R1 BSB bike gets round the old lay out (the one chicane) in lap record time of low 51's, and Hayden was doing low 53's in testing. Bearing in mind these are full on BSB bike - I recon a road bike woul be about 4 sec slower, so low 57's even with Haydon on it and then and R6 a few more slower again.
Not sure how much the chicane b4 devils elbow would add to the the lap compared to the car track, guessing 5 - 6 seconds. Which woul put a well riden road R1 down around the low 51's again and the R6 low 53's.
My TR4 can do high 53's, a Griff 200 racer low 51's and my road car somewhere in between.
(in the dry of course).
Not sure how much the chicane b4 devils elbow would add to the the lap compared to the car track, guessing 5 - 6 seconds. Which woul put a well riden road R1 down around the low 51's again and the R6 low 53's.
My TR4 can do high 53's, a Griff 200 racer low 51's and my road car somewhere in between.
(in the dry of course).
jellison said:
So reading MCN last night. A full on R1 BSB bike gets round the old lay out (the one chicane) in lap record time of low 51's, and Hayden was doing low 53's in testing. Bearing in mind these are full on BSB bike - I recon a road bike woul be about 4 sec slower, so low 57's even with Haydon on it and then and R6 a few more slower again.
Not sure how much the chicane b4 devils elbow would add to the the lap compared to the car track, guessing 5 - 6 seconds. Which woul put a well riden road R1 down around the low 51's again and the R6 low 53's.
My TR4 can do high 53's, a Griff 200 racer low 51's and my road car somewhere in between.
(in the dry of course).
Not sure how much the chicane b4 devils elbow would add to the the lap compared to the car track, guessing 5 - 6 seconds. Which woul put a well riden road R1 down around the low 51's again and the R6 low 53's.
My TR4 can do high 53's, a Griff 200 racer low 51's and my road car somewhere in between.
(in the dry of course).
And the price of cat food has gone up by 3p per tin but, frankly, who give a toss?
black-k1 said:
jellison said:
So reading MCN last night. A full on R1 BSB bike gets round the old lay out (the one chicane) in lap record time of low 51's, and Hayden was doing low 53's in testing. Bearing in mind these are full on BSB bike - I recon a road bike woul be about 4 sec slower, so low 57's even with Haydon on it and then and R6 a few more slower again.
Not sure how much the chicane b4 devils elbow would add to the the lap compared to the car track, guessing 5 - 6 seconds. Which woul put a well riden road R1 down around the low 51's again and the R6 low 53's.
My TR4 can do high 53's, a Griff 200 racer low 51's and my road car somewhere in between.
(in the dry of course).
Not sure how much the chicane b4 devils elbow would add to the the lap compared to the car track, guessing 5 - 6 seconds. Which woul put a well riden road R1 down around the low 51's again and the R6 low 53's.
My TR4 can do high 53's, a Griff 200 racer low 51's and my road car somewhere in between.
(in the dry of course).
And the price of cat food has gone up by 3p per tin but, frankly, who give a toss?
jellison said:
black-k1 said:
jellison said:
So reading MCN last night. A full on R1 BSB bike gets round the old lay out (the one chicane) in lap record time of low 51's, and Hayden was doing low 53's in testing. Bearing in mind these are full on BSB bike - I recon a road bike woul be about 4 sec slower, so low 57's even with Haydon on it and then and R6 a few more slower again.
Not sure how much the chicane b4 devils elbow would add to the the lap compared to the car track, guessing 5 - 6 seconds. Which woul put a well riden road R1 down around the low 51's again and the R6 low 53's.
My TR4 can do high 53's, a Griff 200 racer low 51's and my road car somewhere in between.
(in the dry of course).
Not sure how much the chicane b4 devils elbow would add to the the lap compared to the car track, guessing 5 - 6 seconds. Which woul put a well riden road R1 down around the low 51's again and the R6 low 53's.
My TR4 can do high 53's, a Griff 200 racer low 51's and my road car somewhere in between.
(in the dry of course).
And the price of cat food has gone up by 3p per tin but, frankly, who give a toss?
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