Why I'll never take a bike to the ring...
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I can see it from a legal perspective - the car was wrong. But my view is that the biker should not have tried the move. Just before the accident both rider and driver could have avoided the accident but the biker had by far the better opportunity to avoid the accident as its pretty clear from the video what was about to happen and I very much doubt the driver even new the biker was there.
In reality its no different to every day on the road. I would have thought at least every week a driver does something silly and probably illegal but I do my best to avoid it. The reason, I would guess, is that 99 times out of 100 the driver has not seen me as a biker. In that situation, regardless of blame or law, I am the person best placed to avoid the potential problem. No different on the ring or any other road.
In reality its no different to every day on the road. I would have thought at least every week a driver does something silly and probably illegal but I do my best to avoid it. The reason, I would guess, is that 99 times out of 100 the driver has not seen me as a biker. In that situation, regardless of blame or law, I am the person best placed to avoid the potential problem. No different on the ring or any other road.
Lookin at the clip again.
The clip lasts 12 seconds from entering the bend to the crash.
Tha car cuts in on him at 6 seconds,the rest is him on the ground.
So he sees the car on the right hand side where by law it should be.He approaches and enters the bend and within 2 seconds it cuts across in front him and its game over.Untill the last second or so the car was doing what it should have done and then without warning cuts in.
The clip lasts 12 seconds from entering the bend to the crash.
Tha car cuts in on him at 6 seconds,the rest is him on the ground.
So he sees the car on the right hand side where by law it should be.He approaches and enters the bend and within 2 seconds it cuts across in front him and its game over.Untill the last second or so the car was doing what it should have done and then without warning cuts in.
trumpet600 said:
black-k1 said:
I have riden faster on public roads than I rode at the 'Ring.
Then you sir, are a danger to society. Are you sure you have the right state of mind to own a motorcycle?
How sir, do you know if I am or am not a danger to society?
trumpet600 said:
black-k1 said:
I have riden faster on public roads than I rode at the 'Ring.
Then you sir, are a danger to society. Are you sure you have the right state of mind to own a motorcycle?
It does not say how fast he has ridden round the ring.Please bear in mind people go round there at 50mph or less if your in the bus.
TPS said:
Lookin at the clip again.
The clip lasts 12 seconds from entering the bend to the crash.
Tha car cuts in on him at 6 seconds,the rest is him on the ground.
So he sees the car on the right hand side where by law it should be.He approaches and enters the bend and within 2 seconds it cuts across in front him and its game over.Untill the last second or so the car was doing what it should have done and then without warning cuts in.
I think that kind of misses the point though. All I can say is what I would have thought. My thought would have been this is a bend the car is going to go for the apex, forget the law - at that point its not relevant. In that situation I would have waited. I think thats what people are saying on here, law or not the balance of probibility was that the car would go for the apex therefore, stay back!The clip lasts 12 seconds from entering the bend to the crash.
Tha car cuts in on him at 6 seconds,the rest is him on the ground.
So he sees the car on the right hand side where by law it should be.He approaches and enters the bend and within 2 seconds it cuts across in front him and its game over.Untill the last second or so the car was doing what it should have done and then without warning cuts in.
I was being sarcastic.
Sarcasm borne out of frustration.
BK 1- You have the advantage over me, as I have never been to the 'Ring. Or Germany come to think of it. But your views regarding that incident and other peoples opinions of it seem very black and white. However, at a guess I would think more people would liken the 'Ring to a track than a public road. I know it's a road 'cos youve told me (but I knew anyway)but that doesn't alter anything.
I'd guess the majority of people go there for a bloody good hoon.
Anyway, got to go as I've got to brush up on my highway code.
Sarcasm borne out of frustration.
BK 1- You have the advantage over me, as I have never been to the 'Ring. Or Germany come to think of it. But your views regarding that incident and other peoples opinions of it seem very black and white. However, at a guess I would think more people would liken the 'Ring to a track than a public road. I know it's a road 'cos youve told me (but I knew anyway)but that doesn't alter anything.
I'd guess the majority of people go there for a bloody good hoon.
Anyway, got to go as I've got to brush up on my highway code.
y2blade said:
Neezer said:
Morally the Rider was at fault, technically the Driver was at fault. Thankyou.
I have never seen anybody indicate to overtake on the ring unless they are being passed and indicating that it is safe to do so and they have acknowledge the other drivers intentions. Saying that I was passed twice one weekend by the BMW ring taxi's no indication or waiting for me it took the line it wanted sideways in this instance and blasted past me. saw the same with some surprised bikers at the aggresive style they adopt even in the wet.
Speaking as somebody who both rides a bike at the 'ring and drives a car I think who's legal fault it was is largely irrelevent. It doesn't matter who's right or wrong when you're sliding on your arse at 80mph and heading towards the most deadly and most expensive armco in the whole of Europe...
The trick to overtaking when riding dangerously fast (and he was, or he'd have overtaken the lard-arse beemer on the straight) is to do it decisively and quickly. So even if the Beemer aims for you, you can get through the gap. Not back off while the front tyre's doing all the work!
My 2cents.
The trick to overtaking when riding dangerously fast (and he was, or he'd have overtaken the lard-arse beemer on the straight) is to do it decisively and quickly. So even if the Beemer aims for you, you can get through the gap. Not back off while the front tyre's doing all the work!
My 2cents.
Dale-RSRNurburg said:
Speaking as somebody who both rides a bike at the 'ring and drives a car I think who's legal fault it was is largely irrelevent. It doesn't matter who's right or wrong when you're sliding on your arse at 80mph and heading towards the most deadly and most expensive armco in the whole of Europe...
The trick to overtaking when riding dangerously fast (and he was, or he'd have overtaken the lard-arse beemer on the straight) is to do it decisively and quickly. So even if the Beemer aims for you, you can get through the gap. Not back off while the front tyre's doing all the work!
My 2cents.
someone speaking sense The trick to overtaking when riding dangerously fast (and he was, or he'd have overtaken the lard-arse beemer on the straight) is to do it decisively and quickly. So even if the Beemer aims for you, you can get through the gap. Not back off while the front tyre's doing all the work!
My 2cents.
thanks
Edited by y2blade on Wednesday 5th March 15:24
y2blade said:
Dale@RSRNurburg" Target="_blank">class="forumQuoter">Dale@RSRNurburg said:
Speaking as somebody who both rides a bike at the 'ring and drives a car I think who's legal fault it was is largely irrelevent. It doesn't matter who's right or wrong when you're sliding on your arse at 80mph and heading towards the most deadly and most expensive armco in the whole of Europe...
The trick to overtaking when riding dangerously fast (and he was, or he'd have overtaken the lard-arse beemer on the straight) is to do it decisively and quickly. So even if the Beemer aims for you, you can get through the gap. Not back off while the front tyre's doing all the work!
My 2cents.
someone speaking sense The trick to overtaking when riding dangerously fast (and he was, or he'd have overtaken the lard-arse beemer on the straight) is to do it decisively and quickly. So even if the Beemer aims for you, you can get through the gap. Not back off while the front tyre's doing all the work!
My 2cents.
thanks
The Walrus said:
y2blade said:
Dale@-RSRNurburg" Target="_blank">class="forumQuoter">Dale@-RSRNurburg said:
Speaking as somebody who both rides a bike at the 'ring and drives a car I think who's legal fault it was is largely irrelevent. It doesn't matter who's right or wrong when you're sliding on your arse at 80mph and heading towards the most deadly and most expensive armco in the whole of Europe...
The trick to overtaking when riding dangerously fast (and he was, or he'd have overtaken the lard-arse beemer on the straight) is to do it decisively and quickly. So even if the Beemer aims for you, you can get through the gap. Not back off while the front tyre's doing all the work!
My 2cents.
someone speaking sense The trick to overtaking when riding dangerously fast (and he was, or he'd have overtaken the lard-arse beemer on the straight) is to do it decisively and quickly. So even if the Beemer aims for you, you can get through the gap. Not back off while the front tyre's doing all the work!
My 2cents.
thanks
DaleRSRNurburg said:
I looked all over, but I couldn't find the rockets on my K7? 
he's off to the ring at 300mph
http://tcal.net/archives/2005/05/06/streethawk-day...
Edited by y2blade on Wednesday 5th March 15:39
Dale@RSRNurburg" Target="_blank">class="forumQuoter">Dale@RSRNurburg said:
I looked all over, but I couldn't find the rockets on my K7?
Have you taken it into the dealer as it should have been part of the latest dealer updates, I think they had been deleted in favour of extra oil slick capacity but a change had been made due to pressure form consumer feedback groups and these changes are being made at the standard service intervals ?Gassing Station | Biker Banter | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff