National slow hoon it day
Discussion
Kawasicki said:
Mr. Wurzel
If a new team of crack scientists worked out that the risk of death must be reduced further, and their well funded, logical research showed that 40mph was a reasonable speed limit for a motorway would you comply?
If it reduced the risk of death by a significant amount, it may be a reasonable tradeoff, but this is unlikely enough to make the question redundant (it would be like me asking Safe Speed supporters if they would stick to all speed limits if it was proven that sticking to the speed limit eliminated cancer)If a new team of crack scientists worked out that the risk of death must be reduced further, and their well funded, logical research showed that 40mph was a reasonable speed limit for a motorway would you comply?
I would stick to it if it were introduced, we can't go around picking and choosing which laws we obey just because we're in a car. I would most likely support any campaign aimed at having it reviewed, but you don't get laws changed by breaking them. (But again, it's not going to happen so it's irrelevant)
thewurzel said:
Kawasicki said:
Mr. Wurzel
If a new team of crack scientists worked out that the risk of death must be reduced further, and their well funded, logical research showed that 40mph was a reasonable speed limit for a motorway would you comply?
If it reduced the risk of death by a significant amount, it may be a reasonable tradeoff, but this is unlikely enough to make the question redundant (it would be like me asking Safe Speed supporters if they would stick to all speed limits if it was proven that sticking to the speed limit eliminated cancer)If a new team of crack scientists worked out that the risk of death must be reduced further, and their well funded, logical research showed that 40mph was a reasonable speed limit for a motorway would you comply?
I would stick to it if it were introduced, we can't go around picking and choosing which laws we obey just because we're in a car. I would most likely support any campaign aimed at having it reviewed, but you don't get laws changed by breaking them. (But again, it's not going to happen so it's irrelevant)
I know that the question is redundant, I am really asking what your thoughts are about the law. Whether you think a law that only a minority adhere to is a reasonable law, whether there is a point where you would decide to intentionally break the law.
Kawasicki said:
I know that the question is redundant, I am really asking what your thoughts are about the law. Whether you think a law that only a minority adhere to is a reasonable law, whether there is a point where you would decide to intentionally break the law.
I can't think of such a law, except maybe the ones we have regarding self defence - but adherence to the law is not exactly at the front of your mind in that situation.You have to remember, especially with motoring laws, that the people charged with implementing and enforcing the laws are going to nearly all be motorists themselves, so a really needless and restricting motoring law (such as such a low speed limit on the motorways) would not be in anybody's interest to implement in the first place.
I'm not sure I'm communicating my point very well, but hopefully you see what I'm getting at.
black-k1 said:
thewurzel said:
You have to remember, especially with motoring laws, that the people charged with implementing and enforcing the laws are going to nearly all be motorists themselves.
Barbara Castle - Responsible for the introduction of the 70 mph speed limit! 
supersingle said:
black-k1 said:
thewurzel said:
You have to remember, especially with motoring laws, that the people charged with implementing and enforcing the laws are going to nearly all be motorists themselves.
Barbara Castle - Responsible for the introduction of the 70 mph speed limit! 
ky morons?Poledriver said:
supersingle said:
black-k1 said:
thewurzel said:
You have to remember, especially with motoring laws, that the people charged with implementing and enforcing the laws are going to nearly all be motorists themselves.
Barbara Castle - Responsible for the introduction of the 70 mph speed limit! ky morons?
Its my shout and due to the reactions of some on here and other forum pages i've decided to cancel the planned 'slow hoon it day'.However after scouting other websites for background info/ research, i've decided other action more appropriate and quicker..... Also the last thing i want to do is piss off genuine ph'ers.
South Wales has a total of 96 camera sites: 70 fixed and 26 mobile. In terms of enforcement history, the South Wales partnership was one of the more experienced.
The costs associated with camera enforcement and processing of fixed penalty notices were collected for the first two years – April 2000 to the end of March 2002 (see table excerpted from the report). Costs increased for year two which may be due in part that not all of the sites were fully operational during the first year. In the second half of year two, the number of fixed penalties paid began to plateau which may be due to increased compliance. Total cost for the two-year pilot was £21 million. Total penalties paid during the two years were just over £27 million. Approximately £6 million was returned to HMT.
gilberninvader said:
Its my shout and due to the reactions of some on here and other forum pages i've decided to cancel the planned 'slow hoon it day'.However after scouting other websites for background info/ research, i've decided other action more appropriate and quicker..... Also the last thing i want to do is piss off genuine ph'ers.
South Wales has a total of 96 camera sites: 70 fixed and 26 mobile. In terms of enforcement history, the South Wales partnership was one of the more experienced.
The costs associated with camera enforcement and processing of fixed penalty notices were collected for the first two years – April 2000 to the end of March 2002 (see table excerpted from the report). Costs increased for year two which may be due in part that not all of the sites were fully operational during the first year. In the second half of year two, the number of fixed penalties paid began to plateau which may be due to increased compliance. Total cost for the two-year pilot was £21 million. Total penalties paid during the two years were just over £27 million. Approximately £6 million was returned to HMT.
I'm definitely emigrating to France next year, they know how to stand up for what they believe in!
My Brother-in-law already living there, i may join him eventually. Still don't like to be forced out of my own country for sake of principles. I heard there are 1 million UK nationals emigrating from the UK/year .
At this rate how long do you suppose it will be before the majority of motorists in the UK are unlicenced, untaxed using unregistered vehicles, have no insurance and even without driving licences... i predict i will see it in my lifetime. It will be a scary place to live and work then, for sure.
The Government has to see the bigger picture eventually!
At this rate how long do you suppose it will be before the majority of motorists in the UK are unlicenced, untaxed using unregistered vehicles, have no insurance and even without driving licences... i predict i will see it in my lifetime. It will be a scary place to live and work then, for sure.
The Government has to see the bigger picture eventually!
Edited by gilberninvader on Wednesday 9th April 01:34
gilberninvader said:
My Brother-in-law already living there, i may join him eventually. Still don't like to be forced out of my own country for sake of principals. I heard there are 1 million UK nationals emigrating from the UK/year .
At this rate how long do you suppose it will be before the majority of motorists in the UK are unlicenced, untaxed using unregistered vehicles, have no insurance and even without driving licences... i predict i will see it in my lifetime. It will be a scary place to live and work then, for sure.
The Government has to see the bigger picture eventually!
Not with the blinkers which they wear permanently!At this rate how long do you suppose it will be before the majority of motorists in the UK are unlicenced, untaxed using unregistered vehicles, have no insurance and even without driving licences... i predict i will see it in my lifetime. It will be a scary place to live and work then, for sure.
The Government has to see the bigger picture eventually!
supersingle said:
Poledriver said:
supersingle said:
black-k1 said:
thewurzel said:
You have to remember, especially with motoring laws, that the people charged with implementing and enforcing the laws are going to nearly all be motorists themselves.
Barbara Castle - Responsible for the introduction of the 70 mph speed limit! ky morons?gilberninvader said:
Approximately £6 million was returned to HMT.
What else would you expect them to do with it? (I know it will come as a shock to some that they don't use this money to send their staff on a nice holiday 
)gilberninvader said:
majority of motorists in the UK are unlicenced, untaxed using unregistered vehicles, have no insurance and even without driving licences... i predict i will see it in my lifetime.
Most motorists don't have a problem with speed enforcement (well, except when it catches them, but even most members here will accept that it's their own fault if they get caught 
), and are not going to leave the country because of it.It'll come as quite a shock when you get to France and realise that exceeding the speed limit it illegal there, as well. It's simply a case of being more spread out, so having the potential to not get caught quite so quickly.
thewurzel said:
Most motorists don't have a problem with speed enforcement
Evidence?thewurzel said:
…and are not going to leave the country because of it.
Have you asked those leaving the country why they are doing so? While I wouldn't expect to see 'speed enforcement' as a specific reason for most I would not be surprised to see 'petty rules/nanny state/erosion of freedoms' (which may well include current speed enforcement policy) as a contributing factor.Damn …… I must remember …..
black-k1 said:
thewurzel said:
Most motorists don't have a problem with speed enforcement
Evidence?http://www.wiltshiretimes.co.uk/news/latestheadlin...
There are many other independent surveys with similar results.
black-k1 said:
thewurzel said:
…and are not going to leave the country because of it.
Have you asked those leaving the country why they are doing so?
black-k1 said:
While I wouldn't expect to see 'speed enforcement' as a specific reason for most I would not be surprised to see 'petty rules/nanny state/erosion of freedoms' (which may well include current speed enforcement policy) as a contributing factor.
Erosion of the freedom to flout the law? No, I can't remember ever having that, in any country.thewurzel said:
black-k1 said:
thewurzel said:
Most motorists don't have a problem with speed enforcement
Evidence?http://www.wiltshiretimes.co.uk/news/latestheadlin...
There are many other independent surveys with similar results.
I would happily bet my own money (and I don’t do that very often) that the same survey done on this site using the PH community would get a substantially different result.
thewurzel said:
black-k1 said:
thewurzel said:
…and are not going to leave the country because of it.
Have you asked those leaving the country why they are doing so?thewurzel said:
black-k1 said:
While I wouldn't expect to see 'speed enforcement' as a specific reason for most I would not be surprised to see 'petty rules/nanny state/erosion of freedoms' (which may well include current speed enforcement policy) as a contributing factor.
Erosion of the freedom to flout the law? No, I can't remember ever having that, in any country.Breaking the law is wrong, whoever does it, and as you have said, most on here who speed and get caught accept that, but that does not make the law right or just.
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