the bb trackday thread.

[Gavia]

Time to learn to calm down and build speed through the day / evening.

At least you sound like you're in one piece which is all that really matters

[Birky_41]

m9rko said:

Well that went to plan. Big high side. Frame is ruined (big hole punched in the side). All fairings destroyed. And various other damage (clip ons, footpeg, engine casing etc). I think I got a bit wide exiting a corner and touched the white line. Actually had time to think "fk this is a crash and it's going to hurt" before I hit the deck. That's 2 crashes in 2 trackdays, both in the first session. Feel like a complete bellend

Nah man not at all. You ain't a bell, st happens. I had my first one few weeks back. No biggy but still caused aggrevation

It's one of those things, it happens but you gotta take a breather, pick yourself back up. Sort the bike/get another and go out there with 'fun' being the important bit

My old man used to say when I see red from a bad race, take half a step back to take two steps forward

He also said if in doubt throttle out and that caused me a few breaks

Edited by Birky_41 on Saturday 9th September 10:17

[stew-S160]

As I said previously, I had my first 'high speed' off on Monday at Snetterton.

The fact you're ok is a good thing. Sucks about the bike though.

I didn't have my GoPro on my bike, but this fellow did. And this is exactly the same as what happened to me. Same day. Same session(not sure if same group)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=38R1JdReCss

Edited by stew-S160 on Friday 8th September 07:35

[Fleegle]

stew-S160 said:

As I said previously, I had my first 'high speed' off on Monday at Snetterton.

The fact you're ok is a good thing. Sucks about the bike though.

I didn't have my GoPro on my bike, but this fellow did. And this is exactly the same as what happened to me. Same day. Same session(not sure if same group)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=38R1JdReCss

Edited by stew-S160 on Friday 8th September 07:35

He made no attempt to tip it in once he had scrubbed all that speed off. That could have been saved

[stew-S160]

Fleegle said:

stew-S160 said:

As I said previously, I had my first 'high speed' off on Monday at Snetterton.

The fact you're ok is a good thing. Sucks about the bike though.

I didn't have my GoPro on my bike, but this fellow did. And this is exactly the same as what happened to me. Same day. Same session(not sure if same group)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=38R1JdReCss

Edited by stew-S160 on Friday 8th September 07:35

He made no attempt to tip it in once he had scrubbed all that speed off. That could have been saved

Going to say no to that good Sir. Look at his approach speed to the bike already making the corner. Massive difference there. If he had attempted to drop it in, I am pretty sure the accident would have continued slightly further round the corner.

Unless he is an absolute genius at wet weather riding, I can't see it happening.

[Fleegle]

stew-S160 said:

Going to say no to that good Sir. Look at his approach speed to the bike already making the corner. Massive difference there. If he had attempted to drop it in, I am pretty sure the accident would have continued slightly further round the corner.

Unless he is an absolute genius at wet weather riding, I can't see it happening.

I agree he has gone in far too hot, but my guess is that he was braking so hard that he couldn't turn the bike. Had he let go of the brake and tried tipping it in there would be at least a 50/50 chance of him saving it

[Gavia]

Fleegle said:

I agree he has gone in far too hot, but my guess is that he was braking so hard that he couldn't turn the bike. Had he let go of the brake and tried tipping it in there would be at least a 50/50 chance of him saving it

What was the sudden move right halfway across the track all about? Agree that he could've made that corner if he got off the brakes. The bike going round the corner was very slow and almost upright so not a great comparison for speed purposes.

[moanthebairns]

In too quick, bit of unrest under braking, followed by target fixation. I did the same into tower, we all will or have at some point in time.

He could have made that or at least attempted to.

I could actually feel his arms, arse and head lock up watching that.

[stew-S160]

Fair comments all.

Basically the same happened to me. Managed to get my foot down initially to keep it upright, off then back on the brakes, but I wasn't making the corner.

[Biker's Nemesis]

Brake brake brake, off the brakes and turn your head the way you want to go has saved me many times over the years

[moanthebairns]

Biker's Nemesis said:

Brake brake brake, off the brakes and turn your head the way you want to go has saved me many times over the years

We all make mistakes, its learning from them thats key, there is no real shame in crashing tbh we all need to learn. I have done the above, If you have the same crash shortly after then it becomes an issue as your really not learning.

I've been in similar situations since, as you say, your advice is spot on and its got me out a few moments that would have resulted in a crash. I can hear the voice in my head shouting, look round the corner, look you tit, ALEX fkING LOOK, ah made that, piece of pish, woo.

Once this becomes second nature then you can move on to a whole different type of crash I guess, then learn from that.

[mckeann]

Gavia said:

What was the sudden move right halfway across the track all about?.

If you're in far too hot it give valuable extra metres of space to brake with before you run off track

[naetype]

I believe there's a just about audible 'fk' you can hear towards the end of that video... shame about binning it but that did make me smile a little.

[Biker's Nemesis]

m9rko said:

Well that went to plan. Big high side. Frame is ruined (big hole punched in the side). All fairings destroyed. And various other damage (clip ons, footpeg, engine casing etc). I think I got a bit wide exiting a corner and touched the white line. Actually had time to think "fk this is a crash and it's going to hurt" before I hit the deck. That's 2 crashes in 2 trackdays, both in the first session. Feel like a complete bellend

fkin hell.

[graeme4130]

stew-S160 said:

Fleegle said:

stew-S160 said:

As I said previously, I had my first 'high speed' off on Monday at Snetterton.

The fact you're ok is a good thing. Sucks about the bike though.

I didn't have my GoPro on my bike, but this fellow did. And this is exactly the same as what happened to me. Same day. Same session(not sure if same group)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=38R1JdReCss

Edited by stew-S160 on Friday 8th September 07:35

He made no attempt to tip it in once he had scrubbed all that speed off. That could have been saved

Going to say no to that good Sir. Look at his approach speed to the bike already making the corner. Massive difference there. If he had attempted to drop it in, I am pretty sure the accident would have continued slightly further round the corner.

Unless he is an absolute genius at wet weather riding, I can't see it happening.

That's an odd one. Does look like whoever it was has shat his pants and tried hanging on for dear life.
The track looks damp, and the guy going into the corner is going so slow, that's not a great reference for speed.
I guess if he'd tried the corner and failed, he'd have least have scrubbed more speed off and just low-sided himself.
Unless the sudden jerk that caused the camera to jolt was some form of mechanical issue ?
Other than that, I can't see what's gone wrong there other target fixation and going stiff as a board in panic

[Gavia]

mckeann said:

Gavia said:

What was the sudden move right halfway across the track all about?.

If you're in far too hot it give valuable extra metres of space to brake with before you run off track

At the point he did it though he had loads of room to brake and then tip it in. Wouldn't it just unsettle the bike and make the corner even harder to make if he did scrub extra speed off? There's a fair bit of green paint the other side of the tarmac too, which is pretty grippy as I found out in a race last weekend.

[m9rko]

Biker's Nemesis said:

m9rko said:

Well that went to plan. Big high side. Frame is ruined (big hole punched in the side). All fairings destroyed. And various other damage (clip ons, footpeg, engine casing etc). I think I got a bit wide exiting a corner and touched the white line. Actually had time to think "fk this is a crash and it's going to hurt" before I hit the deck. That's 2 crashes in 2 trackdays, both in the first session. Feel like a complete bellend

fkin hell.

Yeah man. It sucks. Will almost certainly break it, I could spend £1000+ on repairs but that would mean either repairing the frame, or a different repaired cat c / b frame. Which would leave me with a bike worth 4-5k tops. There's easily 7k in parts as it stands so it's a no brainer. On the plus side I do enjoy shopping for bikes... Something a bit cheaper for next year I think

[moanthebairns]

How did you find the wets.

[m9rko]

They felt really good for the 10 laps or so up until I binned it

[Biker's Nemesis]

m9rko said:

Biker's Nemesis said:

m9rko said:

Well that went to plan. Big high side. Frame is ruined (big hole punched in the side). All fairings destroyed. And various other damage (clip ons, footpeg, engine casing etc). I think I got a bit wide exiting a corner and touched the white line. Actually had time to think "fk this is a crash and it's going to hurt" before I hit the deck. That's 2 crashes in 2 trackdays, both in the first session. Feel like a complete bellend

fkin hell.

Yeah man. It sucks. Will almost certainly break it, I could spend £1000+ on repairs but that would mean either repairing the frame, or a different repaired cat c / b frame. Which would leave me with a bike worth 4-5k tops. There's easily 7k in parts as it stands so it's a no brainer. On the plus side I do enjoy shopping for bikes... Something a bit cheaper for next year I think

You've gotta chill out,

This is going to sound condescending but there's a whole day (or evening) whats the point in going balls out first thing, they tell everyone at the briefing to take it easy and bed yourself in, its not Moto GP, BSB or WSB, we all have to fix our bikes with our own money, then there's time off work etc etc, I've broken enough bones and bikes to be able to speak with some authority on this subject.

Take it easy first off and build up to whatever is your pace, you're only going to hurt yourself or your own bank balance.

Or, do what I used to do and never listen to anyone ever about anything and pay the price.