the bb trackday thread.

[fergus]

Prof Prolapse said:

You can run a road bike with track fairings legally.

[/pedant] You could get a tug under construction and use regs if you don't have indicators, but have the controls fitted.... You'd also need a brake light. [/pedant mode off....]

[curlie467]

fergus said:

Prof Prolapse said:

You can run a road bike with track fairings legally.

[/pedant] You could get a tug under construction and use regs if you don't have indicators, but have the controls fitted.... You'd also need a brake light. [/pedant mode off....]

You don't need a brake light with a daylight mot though and it doesn't matter if the switchgear is still fitted.
Basically, if a light unit itself is fitted then it has to work.

[Jazoli]

fergus said:

[/pedant] You could get a tug under construction and use regs if you don't have indicators, but have the controls fitted.... You'd also need a brake light. [/pedant mode off....]

[pedant]You don't need a brake light for an mot, just a speedo and horn and that's it [/pedant]

[double pedant] there is no such thing as a daytime mot either [/double pedant]

Edited because curlie replied when I was typing.

[wtdoom]

Sebo said:

You're welcome.

I've done both No Limits and Focused Events days, not done MSV days. I've heard good things about MSV days though. For me, No Limits seemed slightly better than Focused Events although I have booked with FE for the end of the month so I'll see what that's like. If you're doing a Euro event then the general feeling is that NL are better (although, frustratingly, FE do some great tracks on some decent (more weekend) dates).

For your first few, I doubt you'll go far wrong with any of those 3 (with NL and MSV generally getting favoured slightly - on here at least)

Thanks again matey
That's exactky the kind of feedback I was hoping to get . Brilliant stuff

[fergus]

Jazoli said:

fergus said:

[/pedant] You could get a tug under construction and use regs if you don't have indicators, but have the controls fitted.... You'd also need a brake light. [/pedant mode off....]

[pedant]You don't need a brake light for an mot, just a speedo and horn and that's it [/pedant]

[double pedant] there is no such thing as a daytime mot either [/double pedant]

Edited because curlie replied when I was typing.

I stand corrected. I have had a ticket under the indicators/switches bit back in 1999. The rules may have changed since.

http://www.ukmot.com/MOT_questions.asp?MOT_Questio...

It appears now that as long as you're insured and have a horn, road legal tyres and a reg plate, you can run a racebike on the road...

[steve954]

Just get a bike on weekend demo!

[Prof Prolapse]

fergus said:

Prof Prolapse said:

You can run a road bike with track fairings legally.

[/pedant] You could get a tug under construction and use regs if you don't have indicators, but have the controls fitted.... You'd also need a brake light. [/pedant mode off....]

I take your point, but that's like one of those laws like ducks have to wear shoes. It will never be enforced.

My insurers and MOT inspector were happy with it when I had no lights. As was every copper who didn't pull me for it.

[LoonR1]

Mr OCD said:

See the post above ...

Already booked one ... will be booking 2-3 this year in total.

TBH I've never really been able to afford to bin any of my road bikes... but I try to minimise the risk where I can. The way I look at it is you buy these bikes to enjoy them so why wrap in cotton wool? - Use them and enjoy... Graham said such a little while back and I've certainly come round to that thinking now the 'new bike' novelty has worn off! I also don't ride to track either... usually land up sharing a van so have a back up plan but that's mainly because I do Cadwell Park that is a good 2.5hrs away.

It's not the best solution... that would be decent track bike (I've no real desire to ride a st box on track) but if the option is do 2-3 track days a year on your road bike or none at all then what would you do?

Edited by Mr OCD on Tuesday 14th April 10:04

Listen to your wife.

[Prof Prolapse]

fergus said:

I stand corrected. I have had a ticket under the indicators/switches bit back in 1999. The rules may have changed since.

http://www.ukmot.com/MOT_questions.asp?MOT_Questio...

It appears now that as long as you're insured and have a horn, road legal tyres and a reg plate, you can run a racebike on the road...

That's your MOT not the construction regulations, they aren't the same thing? I thought you were were taking about the former as I was under the impression you can pass an MOT with something illegal based on the construction regs and vice versa.

But yes, I have had no lights with switchgear and it was fine. The only annoying thing is you must deactivate everything or nothing. Every MOT inspector I spoke to permitted the brake light though. Which is sensible.

[fergus]

Prof Prolapse said:

fergus said:

I stand corrected. I have had a ticket under the indicators/switches bit back in 1999. The rules may have changed since.

http://www.ukmot.com/MOT_questions.asp?MOT_Questio...

It appears now that as long as you're insured and have a horn, road legal tyres and a reg plate, you can run a racebike on the road...

That's your MOT not the construction regulations, they aren't the same thing? I thought you were were taking about the former as I was under the impression you can pass an MOT with something illegal based on the construction regs and vice versa.

But yes, I have had no lights with switchgear and it was fine. The only annoying thing is you must deactivate everything or nothing. Every MOT inspector I spoke to permitted the brake light though. Which is sensible.

Correct. You can pass an MOT with something which is illegal to use on the road

[mitzy]

The boys at No Limits are great, Free Instuction, and get your confidence up no end and treat you like grown ups.

Exactly the same for MSV - My first track day and they were so encoraging.

Cant comment on the others.

[Mr OCD]

LoonR1 said:

Listen to your wife.

Shut up

[moanthebairns]

HOLD THE PHONE - I can get a "daytime" mot for my track bike without a rear light.

This I have to do. Only lovely calm days I take the street.

on windy days I wish I had the Daytona.

[Prof Prolapse]

moanthebairns said:

HOLD THE PHONE - I can get a "daytime" mot for my track bike without a rear light.

This I have to do. Only lovely calm days I take the street.

on windy days I wish I had the Daytona.

I'm pretty confident you don't legally need a new MOT. For the same reason as changing other components doesn't require a fresh MOT.

It's usually at the request of insurers when you declare the modification, rather than legislation.

[curlie467]

moanthebairns said:

HOLD THE PHONE - I can get a "daytime" mot for my track bike without a rear light.

This I have to do. Only lovely calm days I take the street.

on windy days I wish I had the Daytona.

You can indeed. Like jazoli said, it isn't a 'daytime' mot. Just a variation on the normal mot test that means you don't have to have lights of indicators or even mirrors fitted (I think). You need a horn though.
I just called it a daytime one as that is what it is commonly known as.

Letting a brake light slide on the mot is kind of sensible though.

[moanthebairns]

Me and Gwm are looking at a trip away together.

Caldwell Sunday 10th & Monday 11th - £220 with the 10 % no limits discount

or

Croft Thursday 14th and Friday 15th of may £250 with discount

I know BN is there at croft on the Friday but is anyone is going to these dates?

[Jazoli]

moanthebairns said:

Me and Gwm are looking at a trip away together.

Caldwell Sunday 10th & Monday 11th - £220 with the 10 % no limits discount

or

Croft Thursday 14th and Friday 15th of may £250 with discount

I know BN is there at croft on the Friday but is anyone is going to these dates?

Might do the 15th at Croft if I can get the day off.

[moanthebairns]

Jazoli said:

moanthebairns said:

Me and Gwm are looking at a trip away together.

Caldwell Sunday 10th & Monday 11th - £220 with the 10 % no limits discount

or

Croft Thursday 14th and Friday 15th of may £250 with discount

I know BN is there at croft on the Friday but is anyone is going to these dates?

Might do the 15th at Croft if I can get the day off.

I'm tossing and turning, one hand, I like croft, much more than Anglesey, its closer, 3 hours closer, and garages. On the other hand I want to try Cadwell, but I'm afraid of the jump

[Tim85]

ill come to cadwell for one of the days if you guys go there. Even though i thought it was ste. i think i was just in the wrong group so want to try it again. the track was generally awesome if i was on my own but with a whole field of rolling chicanes and it being so narrow i felt so frustrated and annoyed all day.

[Jazoli]

moanthebairns said:

Jazoli said:

moanthebairns said:

Me and Gwm are looking at a trip away together.

Caldwell Sunday 10th & Monday 11th - £220 with the 10 % no limits discount

or

Croft Thursday 14th and Friday 15th of may £250 with discount

I know BN is there at croft on the Friday but is anyone is going to these dates?

Might do the 15th at Croft if I can get the day off.

I'm tossing and turning, one hand, I like croft, much more than Anglesey, its closer, 3 hours closer, and garages. On the other hand I want to try Cadwell, but I'm afraid of the jump

Cadwell is too far for me, I cant really do double days due to work, its a 6 hour round trip, I don't care how far you travel from Scotland but for one day its too much of a trek, so I mainly be doing Croft and Oulton, want to get to Donny this year though.