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patchb said:
moto_traxport said:
Do they have a slipper clutch? Most bikes I've ridden with slipper clutches feel awful, like the cable has just snapped.
Not really required surely on that type of bike surely? That and I can blip the throttle during down changes like I'm from the last century or something.
Not sure on the slipper clutch, but my ape has one and that feels lovely, hydraulic clutch though which may have something to do with it. Not really required surely on that type of bike surely? That and I can blip the throttle during down changes like I'm from the last century or something.
There really is no need on the 765, the engine has feck all engine braking and it revs up so fast that it only needs a tiny blip on each down shift.
Also not noticeable unless pulling away but even then it's not really an issue.
Tall_Paul said:
Did you miss the torque of the tuono?
If I come to change my Tuono I don't think I could go to something with less low down torque, one of my favourite things on the tuono is the wave of torque from 4k rpm that slingshots you out of a corner, when I rode the new R1 I really missed that torque, it's just so ore usable on the road. My next bike will probably be either a 2017 Ducati monster 1200s or a 2017 KTM 1290 superduke.
Yeah, there is a lot of fun in thrashing a bike out of corners but you can't beat that massive wave of torque from a big twin. If I come to change my Tuono I don't think I could go to something with less low down torque, one of my favourite things on the tuono is the wave of torque from 4k rpm that slingshots you out of a corner, when I rode the new R1 I really missed that torque, it's just so ore usable on the road. My next bike will probably be either a 2017 Ducati monster 1200s or a 2017 KTM 1290 superduke.
Same as you, I've ridden a few modern 1000s and I posted on here a couple of weeks ago about my mates K5 1000 not having that same instant punch which nobody seemed to believe but it's true....
patchb said:
Yeah, there is a lot of fun in thrashing a bike out of corners but you can't beat that massive wave of torque from a big twin.
Same as you, I've ridden a few modern 1000s and I posted on here a couple of weeks ago about my mates K5 1000 not having that same instant punch which nobody seemed to believe but it's true....
A-ha. A twin then! Quite a lot of the effect is the fact that twins force you to stick it down the gearbox when slowing down, leaving you in the best gear for accelerating afterwards whereas big capacity four cylinder bikes are a bit too easy & smooth to keep in top gear. Same as you, I've ridden a few modern 1000s and I posted on here a couple of weeks ago about my mates K5 1000 not having that same instant punch which nobody seemed to believe but it's true....
Try putting the K5 into the most appropriate gear for the speed. You shouldn't be in 3rd or above until over 100mph.
Back in the real world I probably prefer twins for the road though!
patchb said:
Tall_Paul said:
Did you miss the torque of the tuono?
If I come to change my Tuono I don't think I could go to something with less low down torque, one of my favourite things on the tuono is the wave of torque from 4k rpm that slingshots you out of a corner, when I rode the new R1 I really missed that torque, it's just so ore usable on the road. My next bike will probably be either a 2017 Ducati monster 1200s or a 2017 KTM 1290 superduke.
Yeah, there is a lot of fun in thrashing a bike out of corners but you can't beat that massive wave of torque from a big twin. If I come to change my Tuono I don't think I could go to something with less low down torque, one of my favourite things on the tuono is the wave of torque from 4k rpm that slingshots you out of a corner, when I rode the new R1 I really missed that torque, it's just so ore usable on the road. My next bike will probably be either a 2017 Ducati monster 1200s or a 2017 KTM 1290 superduke.
Same as you, I've ridden a few modern 1000s and I posted on here a couple of weeks ago about my mates K5 1000 not having that same instant punch which nobody seemed to believe but it's true....
Yeah it takes off like a rocket at 8-10k upwards rpm but the Tuono has faaaaar more punch. I was expecting it to be scary fast, but it just wasn't (ok i didn't get above 10-12k rpm).
Give me a 140bhp v-twin over a 200bhp IL4 any day of the week.
I do love the spec on the Triple RS, right down to the brembo rcs master cylinder, but I don't think I'd like having to rev it to get to the power. Been there before with my CB400 which had nothing below 7k, much prefer a big v-twin.
Edited by Tall_Paul on Friday 7th July 23:27
moto_traxport said:
Back in the real world I probably prefer twins for the road though!
Yeah, there's sight variations on twins versus 4's which takes a bit of concentration to work your way around. I find 4's pretty boring as I'm used to opening the throttle wide and letting those two big cylinders gulp. If I jump onto a four I'm in the wrong bit of the power all the time - I crack open the throttle and await the launch bit it doesn't happen. The 4's throttle is more like a volume control or a rheostat controlling an electric motor, its a more instant response with a finer level of control. Or something like that! Or to put it another way, if you break down the elements of riding, the order of those elements is very slightly different between a twin and a four. If you don't have them in the correct order you don't make the progress you expect.spareparts said:
Best and most characterful motors out there imho are the R-spec Ducati twins. Big torque low down that fires you off the throttle, monster torque through the midrange, big HP at the top end, free revving, and just the angriest mechanical noise of all. 
Yes, yes, yes, yes but no. Characterful but too extreme - rubbish round town and destroy themselves if you use them too hard. Wot you want is an early R1!
Loads of grunt in the mid gears, quiet & inconspicuous in the upper gears, great round town & far too fast out of it, track day the arse out of it and just throw fuel, tyres and brake pads at it, easy to work on at home (haven't serviced it in 2 years though - ooops!), 1000 mile trip to the TT with pillion no worries. You'll probably suggest it's "white goods" material but nothing released in the last 10 years has been as versatile as Jap sports bikes designed in the late 90's / early noughties.
Stop me before I sound like that Swiss 954 bloke!
shoestring7 said:
rigga said:
MOT passed yesterday, so another 12 months of Smokey fun, not bad for a 37 year old bike (well part's of it)
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He's dreaming of 20 B&H gold, Levi's 501's, DM boots Cheap 3% Skol lager and wall to wall crumpet all wanting a go on the back!
moto_traxport said:
Yes, yes, yes, yes but no. Characterful but too extreme - rubbish round town and destroy themselves if you use them too hard.
Wot you want is an early R1!
Loads of grunt in the mid gears, quiet & inconspicuous in the upper gears, great round town & far too fast out of it, track day the arse out of it and just throw fuel, tyres and brake pads at it, easy to work on at home (haven't serviced it in 2 years though - ooops!), 1000 mile trip to the TT with pillion no worries. You'll probably suggest it's "white goods" material but nothing released in the last 10 years has been as versatile as Jap sports bikes designed in the late 90's / early noughties.
Stop me before I sound like that Swiss 954 bloke!
LOL as much as I am a huge VR46 fanboi, Yamaha have never won me to the delights of the R1. Wot you want is an early R1!
Loads of grunt in the mid gears, quiet & inconspicuous in the upper gears, great round town & far too fast out of it, track day the arse out of it and just throw fuel, tyres and brake pads at it, easy to work on at home (haven't serviced it in 2 years though - ooops!), 1000 mile trip to the TT with pillion no worries. You'll probably suggest it's "white goods" material but nothing released in the last 10 years has been as versatile as Jap sports bikes designed in the late 90's / early noughties.
Stop me before I sound like that Swiss 954 bloke!
And yes, Ducati twins have never been about pottering about town, especially R-spec motors. Not sure about the destroy themselves bit as I've had faultfree miles on mine over long distance. But never would I rate an engine based on town-friendliness! The big Dukes always have a gigantic elastic power band, similar to the way big Ferrari V12s behave in cars. amongst IL4s, Suzuki set the benchmark imho with the K5/6 motor... just brilliant in character and delivery, even to this day, although it has been surpassed in refinement and power by the latest machines (and rightfully so).
Matt_Zeus said:
Have my Mod1 booked for the 17th so sold my 125 and went bike shopping
Came home with an SV650s - 2002 /21,000 miles. Really happy with it.
Cracking bike! My first bike when I passed my test was exactly this but 2001 and I'm sure mine had silver rimsCame home with an SV650s - 2002 /21,000 miles. Really happy with it.
Great 0-60, excellent fuel range and with a decent exhaust they sound great
Good luck and enjoy
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