Seized Cagiva?

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Tyrant

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663 posts

232 months

Friday 17th October 2008
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A friend of mine has had a pretty rough start to his biking career!
He purchased a Cagiva Mito (w reg low mileage) unseen from a dealer in the midlands and had it delivered to South Wales at a cost of £2000.
He passed a CBT Wednesday and we set off for his first ride out last night. Whilst passing a lorry at around 60mph on a dual carriageway his rear wheel locked into a skid and he managed to save it by pulling in the clutch lever and limping to the side of the road. Bike wouldn't start and 4 hours later he got home with the AA.

Is the engine seized?

The dealer has wiped his hands of any responsibility yet the bike has done less than 30 miles since he received it (all oil, fluid levels etc fine!)

What would you guys suggest he do?




Brite spark

2,057 posts

203 months

Friday 17th October 2008
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sounds like it has seized, the piston or ring(s) got stuck in the barrel, engine won't turn- rear wheel locked up

exactly what come back he has depends upon how he bought it from the dealer, you might get a better response to this side of it in the speed plod and the law rather than Biker banter

you say low mileage, as it's a two stroke do you know its service history/ if the rings have been changed?



Edited by Brite spark on Friday 17th October 15:01

lawrence567

7,507 posts

192 months

Friday 17th October 2008
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Sounds like a seize to me... engine re-build?

Hyperion

15,357 posts

202 months

Friday 17th October 2008
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If the engine no longer turns over when it's in neutral, then being a 2-stroke it's probably seized.
New piston and barrel = £150-200 +fitting (which is pretty easy to DIY)

Reasons why this happened...
If the bike has pleanty of oil, then my guess would be a knackered oil pump or accelerator to pump cable/throttle problem.
Or...the water pump has failed, or simply run dry of coolant, or the thermostat is stuck shut.

Edited by Hyperion on Friday 17th October 15:11

Tyrant

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663 posts

232 months

Friday 17th October 2008
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It did sound like it was turning over but not firing at the roadside. Not how I would have imagined a seized engine to sound, but I have no experience to base it on.

I'm amazed he paid that much without some sort of warranty to be honest!eek

Muffles

516 posts

224 months

Friday 17th October 2008
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Tyrant said:
I'm amazed he paid that much without some sort of warranty to be honest!eek
Is there not some form of implicit warranty on dealers, that they cannot opt out of?

Brite spark

2,057 posts

203 months

Friday 17th October 2008
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Tyrant said:
It did sound like it was turning over but not firing at the roadside. Not how I would have imagined a seized engine to sound, but I have no experience to base it on.

I'm amazed he paid that much without some sort of warranty to be honest!eek
assuming that it had seized then it is possible that once it had cooled down that it freed off allowing it to turn over

Brite spark

2,057 posts

203 months

Friday 17th October 2008
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Muffles said:
Tyrant said:
I'm amazed he paid that much without some sort of warranty to be honest!eek
Is there not some form of implicit warranty on dealers, that they cannot opt out of?
depends if he bought it "sold as seen" I this might allow the dealer out of offering warrenty, under most other cases I thimk they are obliged to offer one but not 100% sure

Hyperion

15,357 posts

202 months

Friday 17th October 2008
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Yeah - they can seize up, but then free themselves once cooled. This usually happens if it's overheated.
The barrel and piston will be severely scored and scratched though.

Tyrant

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663 posts

232 months

Friday 17th October 2008
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Sounds like overheating is most likely then.
I assumed that there would be some kind of implicit warranty.
Fortunately he's OK and wasn't spat off and killed within a few miles of starting his biking career. It could have been a lot worse than a dent in the wallet!

Busamav

2,954 posts

210 months

Friday 17th October 2008
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I would get it returned to the dealer with a letter saying bike was not fit for purpose.

Whatever has gone wrong , there is no way that he will not have a responsibility, unless of course your mate ran it out of 2 stroke oil

podman

8,894 posts

242 months

Friday 17th October 2008
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Busamav said:
I would get it returned to the dealer with a letter saying bike was not fit for purpose.
Agreed and on travelling a distance of miles 30miles from a legal viewpoint it deffo falls into that catergory, sold as seen or not.

bimsb6

8,065 posts

223 months

Friday 17th October 2008
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how did he pay for it ? credit card hopefully .

Brummmie

5,284 posts

223 months

Friday 17th October 2008
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A dealer has an obligation to put it right, the only way out is to sell it as scrap. I was a car dealer for 9 years, and i've bin there!