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Classic Chim

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Hang on Dave, you’ve got the Brembo brakes so you have a very subtle pedal feel there, all that’s happened on mine is it’s now slick and smooth on the clutch pedal as hydraulic should feel really and like my brake pedal easy to use.
It’s like a £650 bass drum pedal rather than a 50 quid jobby, you feel a nice smooth accurate action wink
Don’t get me wrong as I get what your saying and I can’t help but think it feels ultra modern on the pedals now, but really it’s just very good.
Oddly I added the second spring on my throttle as I like that to be quite firm.
Enjoyed the welsh story mate.
Someone mentioned the Porker holding back, with your brakes and set up 911,, I bet fear gripped him more than you,,, and held him back!

Some guy in a 911 EFA ( a Boxster or Caymen ) tested my resolve not long ago so against my better judgement I ruined him on the brakes biglaugh guess who looked more surprised wink simply put I think my tyres and brakes gripped better and gave me the confidence he didn’t have in his car. I’ve done a lot of brake tests too so I’m expert on em yes
Expert brakes help to make me a Don laugh
I actually drive like a pussycat so all in playful jest wink



Edited by Classic Chim on Thursday 23 November 18:05

m4tti

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Classic Chim said:
Hang on Dave, you’ve got the Brembo brakes so you have a very subtle pedal feel there, all that’s happened on mine is it’s now slick and smooth on the clutch pedal as hydraulic should feel really and like my brake pedal easy to use.
It’s like a £650 bass drum pedal rather than a 50 quid jobby, you feel a nice smooth accurate action wink
Don’t get me wrong as I get what your saying and I can’t help but think it feels ultra modern on the pedals now, but really it’s just very good.
Oddly I added the second spring on my throttle as I like that to be quite firm.
Enjoyed the welsh story mate.
Someone mentioned the Porker holding back, with your brakes and set up 911,, I bet fear gripped him more than you,,, and held him back!

Some guy in a 911 tested my resolve not long ago so against my better judgement I ruined him on the brakes biglaugh guess who looked more surprised wink simply put I think my tyres and brakes gripped better and gave me the confidence he didn’t have in his car. I’ve done a lot of brake tests too so I’m expert on em yes
Expert brakes help to make me a Don laugh
I actually drive like a pussycat so all in playful jest wink
Have you driven a recent performance car, say a 911 from the last decade? Just curious.

Classic Chim

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Ceramics brakes on a 9 Something, over 5K alone, I’m under no illusions. Very very good wink
I did imagine this to be up against one of similar vintage to our cars rather than a brand fire new Porsche version, but wet and drivers are not all the same so its totally pointless even talking about it as this is more a test of driver balls and knowledge maybe than any car advantage.

Look at the size of these discs, with the Brembo accuracy thrown in. One tonne car on grippy tyre’s and brakes that can stop two tonne with ease,,,,

It’s about control and I believe Dave and his racing driver friend even if you have to throw in doubt.



PS,, the car I was against was a BOXSTER so I’d have him hands down, piece of st hehe

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m4tti

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Classic Chim said:
Ceramics brakes on a 9 Something, over 5K alone, I’m under no illusions. Very very good wink
I did imagine this to be up against one of similar vintage to our cars rather than a brand fire new Porsche version, but wet and drivers are not all the same so its totally pointless even talking about it as this is more a test of driver balls and knowledge maybe than any car advantage.

Look at the size of these discs, with the Brembo accuracy thrown in. One tonne car on grippy tyre’s and brakes that can stop two tonne with ease,,,,

It’s about control and I believe Dave and his racing driver friend even if you have to throw in doubt.



PS,, the car I was against was a BOXSTER so I’d have him hands down, piece of st hehe
I like em by the way,,

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You said it was a 911 a minute a go.

Having sold my tvr and replaced it, along with another owner who replaced his at roughly the same time, we both found the gulf in every performance department is vast.

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Classic Chim

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I posted some pics of my car at Blyton on another thread.
This was before Brembo brakes and decent tyres for those conditions which were cold and not very grippy.
I had a few ding dongs with a track focused 3 series Beemer ( not a road car) with role cage and proper brakes, really good driver and a great bloke and he had me going in and out of the corners, that was it, a yard or so everytime and I found it frustrating on the old brakes as I couldn’t stop accurately.
I’d like to meet him again and it would be very different, I’d be allover him I believe. smile

Classic Chim

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Ok mate, there all fking 911 to me as I don’t care and dislike them lots.
956 maybe with the funky brakes but I’d be guessing. Heavy car to me.

Classic Chim

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I’ve had brakes that are recorded to stop you in 1.4 seconds from 60 mph. I fking know about brakes alright. Jesus!

m4tti

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Classic Chim said:
Ok mate, there all fking 911 to me as I don’t care and dislike them lots.
956 maybe with the funky brakes but I’d be guessing. Heavy car to me.
What a strange thing to say.



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Classic Chim

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m4tti said:
What a strange thing to say.



Edited by m4tti on Thursday 23 November 18:18
What a strange thing to put up.

Weight don’t always work in your favour especially if tyres aren’t upto temperature,, let alone brakes but Porsche are superior in every way,,, yet men ain’t born equal as drivers are they so on a wet welsh hilltop your brave driver In a very good Chim might just take the piss right out of your Porsche driver.

What I will say is my brakes stop my car in short order, and I know it cos I’ve done it.
Some brakes are powerful but dull in sensitivity so locking occurs and you correct, all race brakes on semi normal cars are pretty much the same,
I have finite control at the edge of adhesion, that’s where and only where it matters.

The forces applied into the road from a 7 series BMW are fairly obvious so finite control at the edge of grip when braking is built into these brake Caliper pad disc combination. As I’m sure you know it’s the interaction of pad and disc that’s what stops you, mine display the exact same kind of markings I see on tonnes of high performance cars with similar sized brakes.
Tyres might or might not grip so well which is again fairly obvious to someone who knows speed and stopping. Tyres are your biggest asset at the end of the day.
Rainsport on wet roads are likely to level the field ( a little) as they squat and add width on the road.
It’s all subjective but I’d destroy a crap driver in a Porsche as a good one would leave me for dead most likely as thay are obviously in a better car!


Edited by Classic Chim on Thursday 23 November 23:22

ChimpOnGas

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Thursday 23rd November 2017
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m4tti said:
Classic Chim said:
Ok mate, there all fking 911 to me as I don’t care and dislike them lots.
956 maybe with the funky brakes but I’d be guessing. Heavy car to me.
What a strange thing to say.
Why is this a strange thing to say confused

It seems an eminently well considered and intelligent standpoint from Classic Chim to me, I guess it's all about having a soul, Alun is a musician and rides a Triumph Bonneville, he goes on road trips and knows how to live the dream most of our society are too repressed to even comprehend.

To be honest, they're all 911s to me too, why cos they all look exactly the same to me, and further more I'm afraid they are all 'Beetle Sports' in my mind. I am passionate about cars, I've been that way since I was a boy, I've always been able to tell you the model numbers, performance numbers, engine capacities ect ect of almost everything. My brain absorbs and retains this detail with ease, but for some reason even though my passion is everything automotive I couldn't tell you one of the seemingly endless sub numbers they already named a 911, it's just too dull to sink in.

It's absolutely ridiculous to name a car with a number, then give the same car a whole new subset of numbers too, double yawn sleep, what a truly dull and anal way to name something like a car that's meant to evoke passion and excitement in someones life. While the Americans gave us the Mustang and The Charger, the Italians were giving us names like Testarossa and Daytona.. then along come the boring as fek Germans to give us the 911, not content with this they then spiced it all up (not!) by defining each evolution of their fundamentally flawed rear engined car by adding a load more numbers.

No wonder I lost interest as a kid, and that disinterest stays with me to this day.

Apparently my mate's 911 has four wheel drive, who cares, it's also got an auto box you change with your thumbs on the steering wheel too which is total dog sh*t if you ask me. At least they finally had the sense to water cool my mate's car which I believe was the first of the 911 dynasty to catch up with the 21st century by adding a cooling system everyone else had been using since the 1920's. I sat in the soulless animal and quickly got back in my TVR with it's roof firmly down, I was more than happy to exchange Teutonic reliability but the passionless anodyne Porsche experience.. for charm, charisma, the wind in my hair, and that glorious TVR V8 sound track.

Like I say, I guess you've either got soul and you get what I'm saying, or you're the typical process robot member of our rule obeying society who's scared sh*tless of breaking down because you never learned to fix stuff yourself. This type of demasculinised so called 'new man' will always choose a Porsche over a TVR because he's simply lost his connection with his inner self, and he always feels safer following the herd.

The TVR owner on the other hand is by nature a risk taker and a rule breaker, he exists as the complete antithesis of the average Porsche buyer because he prefers the visceral thrills chance taking and living a little closer to the edge of life give him. I have no doubt these Beetle Sports 911 things are very capable and well made cars, in fact I've driven many from classic 911s to a GT3RS and can confirm they are indeed very accomplished vehicles.

But a sports car should be more than that, surely!

In summary I just can't see the attraction in owning a Beetle Sports, give me a TVR any day of the week, and after his first ever drive in a TVR last weekend, my very well heeled Radical racing driver friend totally agreed... wink

Classic Chim

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^^^^^ and because I’m number dyslexic too Im totally lost on the darn things.

And I outbraked one at Bedford once, fking thing, I’d just let him through thinking,owwww a Porsche, then the knob was slow everywhere and I nearly piled into the back of him.

Edited by Classic Chim on Thursday 23 November 19:30

m4tti

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Thursday 23rd November 2017
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Classic Chim said:
^^^^^ and because I’m number dyslexic too Im totally lost on the darn things.

And I outbraked one at Bedford once, fking thing, I’d just let him through thinking,owwww a Porsche, then the knob was slow everywhere and I nearly piled into the back of him.

Edited by Classic Chim on Thursday 23 November 19:30
The theme on a lot of your posts is how you beat all manner of things on the road. Like you have something to prove.

But like I say the gulf in performance now is massive between these cars and modern fair.

m4tti

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ChimpOnGas said:
Why is this a strange thing to say confused

It seems an eminently well considered and intelligent standpoint from Classic Chim to me, I guess it's all about having a soul, Alun is a musician and rides a Triumph Bonneville, he goes on road trips and knows how to live the dream most of our society are too repressed to even comprehend.

To be honest, they're all 911s to me too, why cos they all look exactly the same to me, and further more I'm afraid they are all 'Beetle Sports' in my mind. I am passionate about cars, I've been that way since I was a boy, I've always been able to tell you the model numbers, performance numbers, engine capacities ect ect of almost everything. My brain absorbs and retains this detail with ease, but for some reason even though my passion is everything automotive I couldn't tell you one of the seemingly endless sub numbers they already named a 911, it's just too dull to sink in.

It's absolutely ridiculous to name a car with a number, then give the same car a whole new subset of numbers too, double yawn sleep, what a truly dull and anal way to name something like a car that's meant to evoke passion and excitement in someones life. While the Americans gave us the Mustang and The Charger, the Italians were giving us names like Testarossa and Daytona.. then along come the boring as fek Germans to give us the 911, not content with this they then spiced it all up (not!) by defining each evolution of their fundamentally flawed rear engined car by adding a load more numbers.

No wonder I lost interest as a kid, and that disinterest stays with me to this day.

Apparently my mate's 911 has four wheel drive, who cares, it's also got an auto box you change with your thumbs on the steering wheel too which is total dog sh*t if you ask me. At least they finally had the sense to water cool my mate's car which I believe was the first of the 911 dynasty to catch up with the 21st century by adding a cooling system everyone else had been using since the 1920's. I sat in the soulless animal and quickly got back in my TVR with it's roof firmly down, I was more than happy to exchange Teutonic reliability but the passionless anodyne Porsche experience.. for charm, charisma, the wind in my hair, and that glorious TVR V8 sound track.

Like I say, I guess you've either got soul and you get what I'm saying, or you're the typical process robot member of our rule obeying society who's scared sh*tless of breaking down because you never learned to fix stuff yourself. This type of demasculinised so called 'new man' will always choose a Porsche over a TVR because he's simply lost his connection with his inner self, and he always feels safer following the herd.

The TVR owner on the other hand is by nature a risk taker and a rule breaker, he exists as the complete antithesis of the average Porsche buyer because he prefers the visceral thrills chance taking and living a little closer to the edge of life give him. I have no doubt these Beetle Sports 911 things are very capable and well made cars, in fact I've driven many from classic 911s to a GT3RS and can confirm they are indeed very accomplished vehicles.

But a sports car should be more than that, surely!

In summary I just can't see the attraction in owning a Beetle Sports, give me a TVR any day of the week, and after his first ever drive in a TVR last weekend, my very well heeled Radical racing driver friend totally agreed... wink
It's strange to have such a dislike of a car when your posting on a site called pistonheads.

I get where your coming from to a point, and I have had them in the past. It was almost too good.

But given the choice of some Porsche greats, RS cars, turbo specials and a tvr I know which one I'd take... you can a loud exhaust to anything to give you more of that TVR experience.


Edited by m4tti on Thursday 23 November 20:02

N7GTX

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Thursday 23rd November 2017
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m4tti said:
Classic Chim said:
^^^^^ and because I’m number dyslexic too Im totally lost on the darn things.

And I outbraked one at Bedford once, fking thing, I’d just let him through thinking,owwww a Porsche, then the knob was slow everywhere and I nearly piled into the back of him.

Edited by Classic Chim on Thursday 23 November 19:30
The theme on a lot of your posts is how you beat all manner of things on the road. Like you have something to prove.

But like I say the gulf in performance now is massive between these cars and modern fair.
The theme on a lot of your posts is negativity: always finding fault or trying to. Bet you are a bundle of laughs on a night out......not.

m4tti

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N7GTX said:
The theme on a lot of your posts is negativity: always finding fault or trying to. Bet you are a bundle of laughs on a night out......not.
Not sure it's negativity I think it's just observation and a sense of realism. The posts I've commented on sure add to the odd ball belief many have of tvr owners.

You'll also find my posts and advice are based on "real" experience of taking a tvr apart and rebuilding it.

Your still annoyed I said box section of your turbo install wasn't straight, although I did caveat that it may have been a photographic anomaly.

Oh and My nights out are legendary to the point where I've barred myself from going to them to preserve my marriage.

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ChimpOnGas

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Thursday 23rd November 2017
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N7GTX said:
m4tti said:
Classic Chim said:
^^^^^ and because I’m number dyslexic too Im totally lost on the darn things.

And I outbraked one at Bedford once, fking thing, I’d just let him through thinking,owwww a Porsche, then the knob was slow everywhere and I nearly piled into the back of him.

Edited by Classic Chim on Thursday 23 November 19:30
The theme on a lot of your posts is how you beat all manner of things on the road. Like you have something to prove.

But like I say the gulf in performance now is massive between these cars and modern fair.
The theme on a lot of your posts is negativity: always finding fault or trying to. Bet you are a bundle of laughs on a night out......not.
Spot on N7GTX thumbup

Classic Chim

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m4tti said:
The theme on a lot of your posts is how you beat all manner of things on the road. Like you have something to prove.

But like I say the gulf in performance now is massive between these cars and modern fair.
What, you can not be serious man. wink
If I drove my car flat out it would still be to slow for me. As for racing, there’s a time and a place for that and I have a deep deep routed respect for racing etiquette as can be seem from my comment ( I let the Porsche through) wrongly assuming it would be really quick. It wasn’t and held me up for two laps,,, now that’s a totally ignorant driver right there.
I’m making a point.
The only other time I mentioned speed was drag strip racing so controlled and as I love being up against a clock actually factual.
12.60 get your new toy up the strip, see how much faster it is. biglaugh

ETA WHY SELL THE TVR frown
I’ve seen some of your work and it all looked first class?
Sad to hear this M4tti

Edited by Classic Chim on Thursday 23 November 21:01

m4tti

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Thursday 23rd November 2017
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Classic Chim said:
What, you can not be serious man. wink
If I drove my car flat out it would still be to slow for me. As for racing, there’s a time and a place for that and I have a deep deep routed respect for racing etiquette as can be seem from my comment ( I let the Porsche through) wrongly assuming it would be really quick. It wasn’t and held me up for two laps,,, now that’s a totally ignorant driver right there.
I’m making a point.
The only other time I mentioned speed was drag strip racing so controlled and as I love being up against a clock actually factual.
12.60 get your new toy up the strip, see how much faster it is. biglaugh

ETA WHY SELL THE TVR frown
I’ve seen some of your work and it all looked first class?
Sad to hear this M4tti

Edited by Classic Chim on Thursday 23 November 21:01
It was a difficult decision Alun. I have a very small amount of spare time due to work.

The wife got car sick in it and didn't feel safe. So to maximise my time and to see her of a weekend, when I spent a morning going to Goodwood and back I needed something she could travel in so as the saying goes I could kill two birds with one stone.

A bit sad like you say and Ive not got anything to do in the garage now, but sometimes you have to adapt to these situations.

The tvr forum remains the most entertaining biglaugh

Edited by m4tti on Thursday 23 November 21:43

jazzdude

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ChimpOnGas said:
I live in the SE of the UK and use my standard clutch setup Chimaera on the M25 every week, I can only assume you have an issue with your left leg/foot?

Either that or there's something very wrong with your clutch setup, TVR wouldn't have sold many of these cars new if the clutch was as impractically heavy as you describe.
It is actually a knackered left leg, playing too much squash in my youth did my left knee in.

Apart from that I think in the 4 days I was there after resetting everything when I picked it up, the hire car dash showed it did an average of about 10 mph when I took it back.

Add to the fact that large parts of London are 20 mph zones and have cameras everywhere I think there is not much point in using a Chim as a DD inside the M25.

Take it further north then that's an entirely different matter. smile

Classic Chim

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I’ve been pulling your chain too,
I know how much faster this modern stuff is, over 100mph it’s simply over with and different level.
My mates Porsche is quick and has auto gears( as I call it) the torque feels about the same as my Chim but hp and revs stretch it away but only by a few feet each gear to 4th then we run out of road. He couldn’t believe the Chim was so close and nor could I.
I have a new Diff M4tti and by fk I get good grip. I can’t wheel spin it anywhere near as easily, it’s like a rocket to about 75 mph simply cos of that grip. Both rear wheels clamp up and it sort of feels locked, it’s really improved the ability to accelerate hard and safe.
Off corners it’s much better, a lot safer. I think my old one was fecked though.
All these things are adding up to make it controllable yet fast.
A really informed mate had a go in mine the other week and was astonished as he didn’t think it would grip so well, it was wet and flat out acceleration from a standing start it didn’t spin up until 3rd gear and a white line,,, and then it was dragged back by the diff in short order without lifting.
I have another mate who is impossible to impress and thinks everything he’s got or has done is better, I just know he loves my car and says even in the rain it’s faster than (his) mates Impreza which should be slightly faster but as drag racing proved isn’t biggrin

It’s not about my car persay more about what our cars can be and my car represents just one example of it.
I’ve driven a few boxsters and I wouldn’t swap as my car represents more thrills, looks difference and charm than those cars do. And there slower. But I’m talking mid naughties cars so old things now!

All I do know is a bloke who knows his Tvr and has it sorted in the important areas will be as quick as the Porsche driver thinking about his valuable investment that he’s about to destroy.

Comparing them is totally ridiculous as Tvr are a kit car made good and Porsche are not.

I’m with Dave on this though, I never got it, even the lovely late 70’s ones have rather poor interiors to me.,,, and it never much changed. 90’s Are the same. I constitute my Tvr interior as quality and ages much better than neatly all cars from its era and compared to say Lotus which will be falling to pieces the Tvr is excellent and ouses class.

M4tti if your pissed with Tvr cos yours didn’t go well for whatever reason you can gladly have a cruise in mine and see why we are so removed from reality laugh