RE: Jaguar goes Indian?
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i was in india for 17 weeks last year.a jaguar fan and driver i was always mentioning this to people but very few had heard of jaguar. mercedes seemed to be the number one aspirational brand.although a lot of people had heard of ferrari and there were rumours of some in the country.
aditya, how does the quality of the indian built mercedes compare with imported ones? i read various car magazines over there and the number of 320 cdi for example that were officially imported ,around 70 was obviously inaccurate i must have seen around that number in punjab alone.
earlier in this thread somebody was complaining about indian made components for their tvr. if you have parts made surely it is up to you to quality check them before you fit them?
aditya, how does the quality of the indian built mercedes compare with imported ones? i read various car magazines over there and the number of 320 cdi for example that were officially imported ,around 70 was obviously inaccurate i must have seen around that number in punjab alone.
earlier in this thread somebody was complaining about indian made components for their tvr. if you have parts made surely it is up to you to quality check them before you fit them?
To my knowledge, only the C and E Class cars are built in India. The rest of the range is imported by Mercedes Benz either in CBU or CKD forms. The C Class was pathetic to start with. We've had switches falling off, gremlins in the electronics and loads of other problems coupled with ridiculous maintenance costs. The E Class was better. Owners complained and as a result, the German engineers and supervisors working at the Pune factory, have ensured that the quality of the cars has improved. I still say, they're not as good as a Honda or Toyota.
Along with a Ford Zephyr and a Dodge Kingsway, my family had an imported W123 many, many years ago and it was built like a tank. It was the quality of those cars (and older models) that made Mercedes Benz a sought after marque in India. The W124 and W126 reinforced Indians' faith in the marque. Every Indian's dream is a Mercedes Benz. So now, even if MB does anything wrong, people tend to forgive them. Another point to note is, MB have many service centres across India. No other luxury car manufacturer is offering similar facilities.
There are many Ferraris in India. I know of atleast 10 in Bombay alone. There's a 348 standing in the compound next to mine.
The name Jaguar was associated with Leyland (read troublesome) and people still tend to look at them as old generation cars with loads of problems. Even then, I know a few Jag owners who won't trade their cars for anything else. I'm myself eyeing an immaculate XJ Series III 4.2 Sov. The owner, a model by profession, dosen't intend to sell it.
Along with a Ford Zephyr and a Dodge Kingsway, my family had an imported W123 many, many years ago and it was built like a tank. It was the quality of those cars (and older models) that made Mercedes Benz a sought after marque in India. The W124 and W126 reinforced Indians' faith in the marque. Every Indian's dream is a Mercedes Benz. So now, even if MB does anything wrong, people tend to forgive them. Another point to note is, MB have many service centres across India. No other luxury car manufacturer is offering similar facilities.
There are many Ferraris in India. I know of atleast 10 in Bombay alone. There's a 348 standing in the compound next to mine.
The name Jaguar was associated with Leyland (read troublesome) and people still tend to look at them as old generation cars with loads of problems. Even then, I know a few Jag owners who won't trade their cars for anything else. I'm myself eyeing an immaculate XJ Series III 4.2 Sov. The owner, a model by profession, dosen't intend to sell it.
Edited by Aditya on Thursday 2nd August 04:13
"Who'd work for just 5% ?"
Strangely tax rates were at 83% on earned income and 15% on unearned income (dividends or building society interest for example) making 98%, but very few paid that sort of level. The average working nuclear family unit was in many ways better off than today. For example, no prescription charges, dentistry was free, eye tests and NH frames too and houses were affordable despite the exhorbitant interest rates (15% mortgage rate in 79/80). No it was the bloody mindedness of that generation - actually my generation - that threw britain's motoring heritage away.
On a brighter side, some years back I was invited to a big party in Stockholm to celebrate the maximum taxes dropping BELOW 100%! Now that is something - you pay more in tax than you earn!
Strangely tax rates were at 83% on earned income and 15% on unearned income (dividends or building society interest for example) making 98%, but very few paid that sort of level. The average working nuclear family unit was in many ways better off than today. For example, no prescription charges, dentistry was free, eye tests and NH frames too and houses were affordable despite the exhorbitant interest rates (15% mortgage rate in 79/80). No it was the bloody mindedness of that generation - actually my generation - that threw britain's motoring heritage away.
On a brighter side, some years back I was invited to a big party in Stockholm to celebrate the maximum taxes dropping BELOW 100%! Now that is something - you pay more in tax than you earn!
Aditya said:
To my knowledge, only the C and E Class cars are built in India. The rest of the range is imported by Mercedes Benz either in CBU or CKD forms. The C Class was pathetic to start with. We've had switches falling off, gremlins in the electronics and loads of other problems coupled with ridiculous maintenance costs.
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I'm afraid having loads of electrical problems is just a standard feature of owning a modern MB. As you say, once upon a time they were made like the proverbial tank. Now, the mechanical bits might still be quite good, but they are connected into so many bits of electronic junk that they no longer have the legendary reliability. Still it saves you having to wash the car if it's always back at the dealers, where they valet it too ...
Although having said that, ours is back at the dealers again, but not for an electrical problem this time... this could be a first!
http://newsvote.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7085259.st...
So who's it gonna be.
I see that Bibi Boerio Jags current MD has retired and Mike O'Driscoll is now the man at the helm. Will he stay or go with the sale????
G
So who's it gonna be.
I see that Bibi Boerio Jags current MD has retired and Mike O'Driscoll is now the man at the helm. Will he stay or go with the sale????
G
Triple7 said:
http://newsvote.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7085259.st...
So who's it gonna be.
I see that Bibi Boerio Jags current MD has retired and Mike O'Driscoll is now the man at the helm. Will he stay or go with the sale????
G
I think you are over stating the importance of MD. At Jaguar, MD - managing director- is actually just the director of Marketing. Hence why Bibi useless person has been removed.So who's it gonna be.
I see that Bibi Boerio Jags current MD has retired and Mike O'Driscoll is now the man at the helm. Will he stay or go with the sale????
G
The CEO is the head of the Jaguar/LR, and he goes by the name of Geoff Polites.
evian said:
I think you are over stating the importance of MD. At Jaguar, MD - managing director- is actually just the director of Marketing. Hence why Bibi useless person has been removed.
The CEO is the head of the Jaguar/LR, and he goes by the name of Geoff Polites.
Glad she's buggered off. As someone who I'm guessing maybe connected to JLR who do you want to takeover?The CEO is the head of the Jaguar/LR, and he goes by the name of Geoff Polites.
wheeljack said:
evian said:
I think you are over stating the importance of MD. At Jaguar, MD - managing director- is actually just the director of Marketing. Hence why Bibi useless person has been removed.
The CEO is the head of the Jaguar/LR, and he goes by the name of Geoff Polites.
Glad she's buggered off. As someone who I'm guessing maybe connected to JLR who do you want to takeover?The CEO is the head of the Jaguar/LR, and he goes by the name of Geoff Polites.
evian said:
wheeljack said:
evian said:
I think you are over stating the importance of MD. At Jaguar, MD - managing director- is actually just the director of Marketing. Hence why Bibi useless person has been removed.
The CEO is the head of the Jaguar/LR, and he goes by the name of Geoff Polites.
Glad she's buggered off. As someone who I'm guessing maybe connected to JLR who do you want to takeover?The CEO is the head of the Jaguar/LR, and he goes by the name of Geoff Polites.
Bibi, did seem to go quite quietly I have to say.
Lastest quater news:
Premier Automotive Group (PAG): PAG reported a pre-tax loss of $97 million for the third-quarter, compared with a pre-tax loss of $508 million for the same period in 2006. The third-quarter 2007 result reflected a loss at Volvo, partially offset by a small profit at the combined Jaguar and Land Rover operation. The year-over-year improvement was primarily explained by cost reductions across all brands, including the non-recurrence of adverse 2006 adjustments to warranty reserves. Higher volumes and higher net pricing were partially offset by the effect of the continued weakening of the U.S. dollar against key European currencies. Third-quarter 2007 revenue was $7.4 billion, compared with $6.5 billion a year ago.
It was evidently LR's best ever quarter result for sales units.
G
Lastest quater news:
Premier Automotive Group (PAG): PAG reported a pre-tax loss of $97 million for the third-quarter, compared with a pre-tax loss of $508 million for the same period in 2006. The third-quarter 2007 result reflected a loss at Volvo, partially offset by a small profit at the combined Jaguar and Land Rover operation. The year-over-year improvement was primarily explained by cost reductions across all brands, including the non-recurrence of adverse 2006 adjustments to warranty reserves. Higher volumes and higher net pricing were partially offset by the effect of the continued weakening of the U.S. dollar against key European currencies. Third-quarter 2007 revenue was $7.4 billion, compared with $6.5 billion a year ago.
It was evidently LR's best ever quarter result for sales units.
G
Triple7 said:
Impossible to split LR/Jag without costing millions and millions. Maybe Ford have shot themselves in the foot because of it.
Latest word is that BMW have applied to see the books on Volvo as they are interested in buying another brand. So is Ford going to sell all the crown jewels and entrench themselves back in the USA. Sounds like it, all very 'American'. If you can't 'win', give up!
G
Be nice, it keeps you from being an asshole. Latest word is that BMW have applied to see the books on Volvo as they are interested in buying another brand. So is Ford going to sell all the crown jewels and entrench themselves back in the USA. Sounds like it, all very 'American'. If you can't 'win', give up!
G
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