Looking at this F Type, thoughts

[SFTWend]

reddiesel said:

Its a 19 or Post 19 550hp you want rather than the 450hp and there are plenty of them around many under the Jaguar Approved Scheme which gives you a little bit more peace of mind should something go wrong and thankfully not much does .

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202309252...

Here is one I glanced at the other day which I am sure you have seen . I don't offer any recommendation one way or the other as regards this particular car but I feel as it was already supplied by the selling Jaguar Dealer and has little price differential over a " Grey Market ' Car , it rapidly becomes a question of why wouldn't you ? I notice the Wheel wants refurbing so I would be making an Offer

That one started at £54k end of September. Will be a 90 day car at Xmas so no doubt worth a good haggle shortly.

[SFTWend]

reddiesel said:

With the utmost respect to yourself Im feeling a bit " life crisis " about this post and that worries me . Firstly please don't go for the first F Type you see and secondly do your homework on the Model . I cant stress this enough .
This is not a Bargain for the Money and this is by no means a Rare Car . Completely ignore the Mileage Covered unless its substantiated by Service History associated Paperwork and even the Testimonial of the Previous Owner and bear in mind that £80 alters the mileage of any Jaguar .
I was 60 myself last month and a new GTS outside bears witness to the fact that I am feeling what you are feeling but please go carefully with this latest Purchase .

Hi Red, I've started looking for an R coupe and am struggling with my homework in terms of what to look for. Neither PH, F Type Forum or Facebook groups appear to have a definitive buyers guide. The main things to look for appear to be 1. seized fuel injectors due to water ingress (pre awd when bonnet vents were moved?), 2. leaking v pipe under supercharger (pre ?? model), 3. central air vents not rising and 4. rusty tinwork around rear subframe. If no other weak points they appear a super sound purchase.

I've yet to ascertain what improvements came with the 2017 model year minor facelift where the front bumper was changed (for the worse imo). I believe 2019 model brought carplay and gpf. 2020 facelift effectively SVR underpinnings and engine but not the special exhaust.

Sytner Jaguar seem to have the most used choice, but with a Sytner rather than Jaguar Approved warranty. I'd rather have the comfort of the manufacturer approved warranty, which I believe is much more comprehensive.

All pointers welcome!

[YorksLS18]

Merc 450 said:

Thanks for that, my mate who has a commercial vehicle garage and also does cars reckons the 550hp pre 2019 one will pop and fart like my old Cerbera he also reckons the post 2019 450hp one may be a bit quiet for me after the Mustang.
I love the sound of the 6.3 v8 merc use or a cerbera Mustang etc, that,s what i'm hoping this sounds like.The F pace SVR definitley does

The 450bhp model is more muted than the earlier 550bhp cars due to the way they are engineered (particulate filters etc).

I believe the first 550 V8 models were the loudest/most crackly, with the last of the 550s being less so.

When I got my P450 I wished it was a bit more vocal, but then you learn the sweet spots and you can ride the revs to get it crackling.

For me personally, it wasn't worth compromising on an older car for additional noise.

Both have character. The 550 will be louder.

Edited by YorksLS18 on Saturday 2nd December 19:18

Edited by YorksLS18 on Saturday 2nd December 19:19

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On copart at mo 23 plate 14 miles bid up at 32k

[Merc 450]

jagseven said:

Nice spec - worth a closer look as photos can distort things (like the brake discs and seat condition!)
Why are you selling the Mustang? The Mustang will hold its value better.
In 2019 I bought a new jag for 75k and my brother bought a new Mustang GT for 42k - today they are worth about the same!

Only selling the Mustang if I can find a better looking car and that's tough believe me, i'm 60 next year so looking to replace Mustang and Black Range rover sport before I pop my clogs. Range Rover sport is easy I have a friend who will let me know when they are selling their 4.4 diesel Autobiography. Looked at C63 AMG and BMW M6 to replace the Mustang the other two in my last three when i chose the Mustang. They would have been four year olds for the same price as the new Mustang.

[Merc 450]

reddiesel said:

Merc 450 said:

Thanks for that, my mate who has a commercial vehicle garage and also does cars reckons the 550hp pre 2019 one will pop and fart like my old Cerbera he also reckons the post 2019 450hp one may be a bit quiet for me after the Mustang.
I love the sound of the 6.3 v8 merc use or a cerbera Mustang etc, that,s what i'm hoping this sounds like.The F pace SVR definitley does

Its a 19 or Post 19 550hp you want rather than the 450hp and there are plenty of them around many under the Jaguar Approved Scheme which gives you a little bit more peace of mind should something go wrong and thankfully not much does .

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202309252...

Here is one I glanced at the other day which I am sure you have seen . I don't offer any recommendation one way or the other as regards this particular car but I feel as it was already supplied by the selling Jaguar Dealer and has little price differential over a " Grey Market ' Car , it rapidly becomes a question of why wouldn't you ? I notice the Wheel wants refurbing so I would be making an Offer

Nice what colour is it a dark brown metallic

[Merc 450]

https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/15889479
I like this one, better colour nearly 10 grand less but wit 450hp not 550 beter buy?

[Merc 450]

reddiesel said:

Merc 450 said:

Thanks for that, my mate who has a commercial vehicle garage and also does cars reckons the 550hp pre 2019 one will pop and fart like my old Cerbera he also reckons the post 2019 450hp one may be a bit quiet for me after the Mustang.
I love the sound of the 6.3 v8 merc use or a cerbera Mustang etc, that,s what i'm hoping this sounds like.The F pace SVR definitley does

Its a 19 or Post 19 550hp you want rather than the 450hp and there are plenty of them around many under the Jaguar Approved Scheme which gives you a little bit more peace of mind should something go wrong and thankfully not much does .

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202309252...

Here is one I glanced at the other day which I am sure you have seen . I don't offer any recommendation one way or the other as regards this particular car but I feel as it was already supplied by the selling Jaguar Dealer and has little price differential over a " Grey Market ' Car , it rapidly becomes a question of why wouldn't you ? I notice the Wheel wants refurbing so I would be making an Offer

I like this one but it looks like all four wheels are damaged to me, i've never curbed an alloy in my life how do you manage to damage the offside ones.
would they sort the wheels if i offered the asking price?

[Pursyluv]

Merc 450 said:

Thanks for that, my mate who has a commercial vehicle garage and also does cars reckons the 550hp pre 2019 one will pop and fart like my old Cerbera he also reckons the post 2019 450hp one may be a bit quiet for me after the Mustang.
I love the sound of the 6.3 v8 merc use or a cerbera Mustang etc, that,s what i'm hoping this sounds like.The F pace SVR definitley does

Re the exhaust sound, see below a bit of info lifted from another forum -

All MY18 should be without GPF (EU6) however there might be exceptions for non UK markets.

At around car 59207 the cars changed to be EU6d with Gasoline particulate filters (GPF). This seems to tie in when the model number rolled over to MY19 (remembering model years and reg plates are completely different).

There will be exceptions depending on the order the cars came off the line. The car number being the last 5 digits of the VIN

[scz4]

Merc 450 said:

https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/15889479
I like this one, better colour nearly 10 grand less but wit 450hp not 550 beter buy?

Base spec, but wow that's cheap!

[Panamax]

Merc 450 said:

I like this one, better colour nearly 10 grand less but wit 450hp not 550 better buy?

Totally agree. 450bhp V8 has plenty of grunt to get you up the road.

[Merc 450]

scz4 said:

Merc 450 said:

https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/15889479
I like this one, better colour nearly 10 grand less but wit 450hp not 550 beter buy?

Base spec, but wow that's cheap!

Sorry but how is an F Type base spec, is their no 4wd posh seats or no stereo. I was thinking the only thing missing is 100hp and the moving tail spoiler, I even prefer the wheels

Edited by Merc 450 on Tuesday 5th December 23:07

[reddiesel]

Merc 450 said:

Sorry but how is an F Type base spec, is their no 4wd posh seats or no stereo. I was thinking the only thing missing is 100hp and the moving tail spoiler, I even prefer the wheels

Edited by Merc 450 on Tuesday 5th December 23:07

Its very much a Buyers Market despite what JLR Dealerships would have you believe . Base Spec as you say would amount to a lesser Sound System and one or two Options missing .

[reddiesel]

Merc 450 said:

Only selling the Mustang if I can find a better looking car and that's tough believe me, i'm 60 next year so looking to replace Mustang and Black Range rover sport before I pop my clogs. Range Rover sport is easy I have a friend who will let me know when they are selling their 4.4 diesel Autobiography. Looked at C63 AMG and BMW M6 to replace the Mustang the other two in my last three when i chose the Mustang. They would have been four year olds for the same price as the new Mustang.

For a proper " drivers tool " all roads inevitably lead to Porsche in my humble opinion . The Cayman 4.0 GTS I am running just now is just as good as all the Press Reports say though sadly the Brand continues to be populated by the usual Hamshankers obsessed by status and future residuals . This is why we see five Owner 911s with barely 4,000 miles for Sale as People attempt an exit with most of their Cash still intact . At 60 years of age I work hard to buy them and I don't give two ***** about future residuals . Best Jaguars ever owned was the X350 V8 which against much criticism I consider a Masterpiece and the F Type SVR which in the midst of the Covid Lockdown I took to 170mph one early morning over Cumbria . On the Straights it was as solid as the proverbial Rock but due to the driving position the Bends exposed its limitations . I remember laughing to myself as I approached Penrith and thinking that at least I had given her a go whilst the bulk of the Country was still hiding under their tables and fortunately I never saw a Copper all the way from MK to Glasgow . Even though many of us lost loved ones this is my enduring memory of lockdown and my 86 year old father was delighted to see me back home as he had been struggling . I think inevitably its the SVR for you fella though you may not know that yet

[reddiesel]

SFTWend said:

Hi Red, I've started looking for an R coupe and am struggling with my homework in terms of what to look for. Neither PH, F Type Forum or Facebook groups appear to have a definitive buyers guide. The main things to look for appear to be 1. seized fuel injectors due to water ingress (pre awd when bonnet vents were moved?), 2. leaking v pipe under supercharger (pre ?? model), 3. central air vents not rising and 4. rusty tinwork around rear subframe. If no other weak points they appear a super sound purchase.

I've yet to ascertain what improvements came with the 2017 model year minor facelift where the front bumper was changed (for the worse imo). I believe 2019 model brought carplay and gpf. 2020 facelift effectively SVR underpinnings and engine but not the special exhaust.

Sytner Jaguar seem to have the most used choice, but with a Sytner rather than Jaguar Approved warranty. I'd rather have the comfort of the manufacturer approved warranty, which I believe is much more comprehensive.

All pointers welcome!

Apologies for my delay in replying . As regards the existence of a definitive Buyers Guide , to be honest with you its something I have never sought nor even thought about though from your point of view I can see its value . As in most things I would be buying the best I could afford completely disregarding the inevitable " bargains " with mismatched cheap tyres and patchy Service History . Another thing you have to be aware of is that many of these cars were Leased rather than Purchased outright and Main dealers are awash with these Vehicles which come direct from Jaguar and the Garages then bid for them at an Internal Auction . SVR F Types for example often suffered the inevitable Track Day and more often than not in the hands of idiots . As Leasing Agreements charge prohibitive Penalties for any Damage incurred , the temptation is always to remedy any such issues without the knowledge of JLR which can be a minefield for the Buyer further down the chain . Sytner Jaguar have in the past stocked such Cars and I have even pointed them out to Salesmen on the Forecourt . Most I have to say are blissfully ignorant , they are Salesmen rather than Enthusiasts . Unfortunately I have to pop to a Meeting but I shall attempt to answer the rest of your points on my return

[scz4]

reddiesel said:

Merc 450 said:

Sorry but how is an F Type base spec, is their no 4wd posh seats or no stereo. I was thinking the only thing missing is 100hp and the moving tail spoiler, I even prefer the wheels

Edited by Merc 450 on Tuesday 5th December 23:07

Its very much a Buyers Market despite what JLR Dealerships would have you believe . Base Spec as you say would amount to a lesser Sound System and one or two Options missing .

Base seats, no panoramic sunroof, no heated steering wheel etc. Don't think any options have been ticked other than colour and spoiler. Still great value if not fussy on spec though.

[YorksLS18]

This one seems very keenly priced for a low-mileage 22 plate P450 with some nice spec...

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202309282...

[scz4]

YorksLS18 said:

This one seems very keenly priced for a low-mileage 22 plate P450 with some nice spec...

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202309282...

That's really good value and a great spec. Oddly been for sale since 28th Sept, thought that would have been snapped up at that price.

[reddiesel]

scz4 said:

That's really good value and a great spec. Oddly been for sale since 28th Sept, thought that would have been snapped up at that price.

I was watching a Harrys Garage Video and he mentions the absolutely astounding value of the F Type V8 and I have to completely agree with him and I would extend that to the X150 . For me its the Aluminium Construction . Its totally ground changing in what you would expect from a second hand Jaguar and the Public just don't seem to get that .

[Merc 450]

scz4 said:

Merc 450 said:

https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/15889479
I like this one, better colour nearly 10 grand less but wit 450hp not 550 beter buy?

Base spec, but wow that's cheap!

Now down to £40k they sent me a video I will ring them on the 27th