Jaguar XF spotted on the road today - picture inside
Discussion
bad company said:
I really fancy an XF. If I order now I will get one of the first but I think it will be better to wait until they have been around for a few months. No doubt it won't take long till they are available with a discount.
I should think the petrol ones will be cheap, esp. the SV8, but the oil burners I don't think you will see a discount for a year or so.G
bad company said:
I'm not so sure Triple7. IMO the most desirable oil burner right now is the BMW 535d which is available with a considerable discount. I know this car has been around a while but it is still quicker than just about any other oil burner.
Yes, but the 5 series has been around for eons and has quite a large engine, with diesel at 104p/ltr peeps don't want it. Jag aren't going for volume. It's the new kid on the block, hopefully the 'must have' middle management car. G
Big Giant Head said:
Brand Brand Brand...
Jaguar has got a lot of recovery to do.
Audi has it, BMW has it though they are "so so common", Mercedes has a recent
reputation for falling to bits, VW is resurgent, but Jaguar has to reclaim lost ground - the X type was a big mistake...
My advice is simply to make them more expensive and to justify it, more spectacular.
Not a single new gadget or gizmo on the new XK, same engine (essentially) as the old one, very few colours available.
Jaguar needs to learn from Aston Martin. And Improve on it.
AISI, Astons - droolsome as they are - are i) re-hashed stylings of the DB7 and offer nothing new, and ii) use either re-worked Jag engines or two Ford V6's married together.Jaguar has got a lot of recovery to do.
Audi has it, BMW has it though they are "so so common", Mercedes has a recent
reputation for falling to bits, VW is resurgent, but Jaguar has to reclaim lost ground - the X type was a big mistake...
My advice is simply to make them more expensive and to justify it, more spectacular.
Not a single new gadget or gizmo on the new XK, same engine (essentially) as the old one, very few colours available.
Jaguar needs to learn from Aston Martin. And Improve on it.
IMVHO, the XF is a good looking bit of kit and in a different league to Bimmers / Audis / Mercs with their needlessly fussy design details.
smiller said:
AISI, Astons - droolsome as they are - are i) re-hashed stylings of the DB7 and offer nothing new, and ii) use either re-worked Jag engines or two Ford V6's married together.
Someone needs to look a little more carefully, and do a bit more homework, on the current Aston range before making sweeping statements such as those 
Big Giant Head said:
Brand Brand Brand...
Jaguar has got a lot of recovery to do.
Audi has it, BMW has it though they are "so so common", Mercedes has a recent
reputation for falling to bits, VW is resurgent, but Jaguar has to reclaim lost ground - the X type was a big mistake...
My advice is simply to make them more expensive and to justify it, more spectacular.
Not a single new gadget or gizmo on the new XK, same engine (essentially) as the old one, very few colours available.
Jaguar needs to learn from Aston Martin. And Improve on it.
As a new x-type owner (not on the defensive eitehr) have to ask what you mean exactly regarding the x-type being a huge mistake. Having had the pleasure of driving pretty much every other marque I have to say the x-type, in my opinion, is far better than the 3 series, A4, Passat or whatever else is in the same group you wish to pitch it against. Obviously I might sound a little bias based on new ownership but its the only car that seems to cover all the bases of what it is supposed to do. Jaguar has got a lot of recovery to do.
Audi has it, BMW has it though they are "so so common", Mercedes has a recent
reputation for falling to bits, VW is resurgent, but Jaguar has to reclaim lost ground - the X type was a big mistake...
My advice is simply to make them more expensive and to justify it, more spectacular.
Not a single new gadget or gizmo on the new XK, same engine (essentially) as the old one, very few colours available.
Jaguar needs to learn from Aston Martin. And Improve on it.
So why is it a huge mistake?
stigmundfreud said:
Big Giant Head said:
Brand Brand Brand...
Jaguar has got a lot of recovery to do.
Audi has it, BMW has it though they are "so so common", Mercedes has a recent
reputation for falling to bits, VW is resurgent, but Jaguar has to reclaim lost ground - the X type was a big mistake...
My advice is simply to make them more expensive and to justify it, more spectacular.
Not a single new gadget or gizmo on the new XK, same engine (essentially) as the old one, very few colours available.
Jaguar needs to learn from Aston Martin. And Improve on it.
As a new x-type owner (not on the defensive eitehr) have to ask what you mean exactly regarding the x-type being a huge mistake. Having had the pleasure of driving pretty much every other marque I have to say the x-type, in my opinion, is far better than the 3 series, A4, Passat or whatever else is in the same group you wish to pitch it against. Obviously I might sound a little bias based on new ownership but its the only car that seems to cover all the bases of what it is supposed to do. Jaguar has got a lot of recovery to do.
Audi has it, BMW has it though they are "so so common", Mercedes has a recent
reputation for falling to bits, VW is resurgent, but Jaguar has to reclaim lost ground - the X type was a big mistake...
My advice is simply to make them more expensive and to justify it, more spectacular.
Not a single new gadget or gizmo on the new XK, same engine (essentially) as the old one, very few colours available.
Jaguar needs to learn from Aston Martin. And Improve on it.
So why is it a huge mistake?
So as good a car as the X-Type is, I'm not sure it has done for Jaguar as a whole what was originally hoped for. An ex colleague's husband was in marketing at BMW and before the X-Type came out they were bricking it. They'd felt that the Jaguar brand could have really dented 3 series sales, which is where BMW make their money. Sadly it wasn't to be.
Unfortunatly the X-type was launched in Granddad spec. Dowdy colours, rearward looking chrome (great on ashtrays) grills and brightwork and poor wheel choice. It wasn't sexy at launch - which is what generation X requires as market entry. It lacked a Diesel at launch which with the market shift was an oversight.
The car has matured in the market place and is arguably more visually appealing now than at launch, but a notoriously fickle market demographic has moved with the times. They make an excellent 2nd hand car, quality on later cars is exemplary, and despite what few misguided individuals propher, its much better to have a Jag on the driveway than a Passat or Mondeo.
XF will punch above its weight - its a great car and having seen one recently, like the new XK, reserve judgement till you see it in the flesh.
The car has matured in the market place and is arguably more visually appealing now than at launch, but a notoriously fickle market demographic has moved with the times. They make an excellent 2nd hand car, quality on later cars is exemplary, and despite what few misguided individuals propher, its much better to have a Jag on the driveway than a Passat or Mondeo.
XF will punch above its weight - its a great car and having seen one recently, like the new XK, reserve judgement till you see it in the flesh.
That's what you get from marketing clinics.
"So what do you think a Jaguar should look like"
Err... like a Jaguar please.
Not very forward looking.
Forward looking means taking risks. Big companies don't like risks.
[editted to change the reply from "Yeah" to "Err" which is what I'd meant to type - sorry
]
"So what do you think a Jaguar should look like"
Err... like a Jaguar please.
Not very forward looking.
Forward looking means taking risks. Big companies don't like risks.
[editted to change the reply from "Yeah" to "Err" which is what I'd meant to type - sorry
]Edited by a8hex on Tuesday 27th November 11:18
a8hex said:
That's what you get from marketing clinics.
"So what do you think a Jaguar should look like"
Yeah... like a Jaguar please.
Not very forward looking.
Forward looking means taking risks. Big companies don't like risks.
Well they did that with the S-Type as everyone liked the shape of the Mk2..."So what do you think a Jaguar should look like"
Yeah... like a Jaguar please.
Not very forward looking.
Forward looking means taking risks. Big companies don't like risks.
I think the problem the X-Type hit was not so much on styling but that the German cachet was still so strong and the message about Jaguar reliability really had not got through. It might be a different story now, with the BMW 3-series openly regarded as boring and both that and the Merc equivalent suffering from reliability issues. What you get in an X-Type is a package with a lot more quality and character than the equivalent alternative. What I don't like so much is the front wheel drive, although the 3-litre AWD is a pretty good drive.
The whole styling issue is a bit of a red herring which is driven imho by the motoring press which would always pick something ugly but new over something pretty but derivative. May I remind everyone, Chartres Cathedral is derivative, whereas Cumbernauld New Town is new. The XF is a big step in a new direction but what I like is that the baby has not been thrown out with the bath water.
The whole styling issue is a bit of a red herring which is driven imho by the motoring press which would always pick something ugly but new over something pretty but derivative. May I remind everyone, Chartres Cathedral is derivative, whereas Cumbernauld New Town is new. The XF is a big step in a new direction but what I like is that the baby has not been thrown out with the bath water.
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