Golf R engine blown
Discussion
The only way the cars warranty will still cover the engine is to get it either repaired or replaced at a VW dealer.
Yes, all sorts of shenanigans to get it sorted on the cheap are possible that will, on the face of it, not affect the warranty.
In reality, if it goes bang a 2nd time, attempting to pursue a warranty claim will, at some point in the process, come a cropper.
Used engines/cheap rebuilds will not fool anyone at either the VW dealer or VW themselves.
Of course, should the OP go down this route and successfully offload the car at lease end, none of this will occur on his watch so to speak.
Just some poor sap who buys it second hand.
Yes, all sorts of shenanigans to get it sorted on the cheap are possible that will, on the face of it, not affect the warranty.
In reality, if it goes bang a 2nd time, attempting to pursue a warranty claim will, at some point in the process, come a cropper.
Used engines/cheap rebuilds will not fool anyone at either the VW dealer or VW themselves.
Of course, should the OP go down this route and successfully offload the car at lease end, none of this will occur on his watch so to speak.
Just some poor sap who buys it second hand.
I wouldn't entertain paying VW main dealer prices to get it sorted, just get it done wherever cheapest even if slightly back street. As a few posters have highlighted BCA won't be doing ECU or engine checks when collecting the car, at most they'll take a quick look at the fluids. VWFS won't care either since they're just selling the car straight on in the trade.
It's unfortunate insurance doesn't cover these sorts of things!
It's unfortunate insurance doesn't cover these sorts of things!
Hammer67 said:
Just some poor sap who buys it second hand.
They'll have recourse with the trader who sold it to them. People in the trade expect to pick up the occasional dog/ problem car from auction, this will fall into that category. 
glasgow mega snake said:
TooMany2cvs said:
glasgow mega snake said:
how can you rule out a failure in something else, e.g. in the mechanism that limits the engine speed?
Um, that's part of the ECU.Well, not unless it's a diesel running-on after the turbo seals have died, but that's a very different kettle of fish.
glasgow mega snake said:
I don't know details but my point is - without any clear evidence of what the failure mechanism was, how can VW confidently assign it to user error? If they have no evidence, their argument has no weight. 'that's the only way it could have happened' isn't evidence, it's speculation.
They do have evidence. The ECU tells them what time and date, what road speed, what engine speed.If you think it happened any other way, it's up to you to show how, not them.
Rick101 said:
Consider going back to insurance and claiming accidental damage.
You need to be clear it is not a car fault, it is damage accidentally caused by you.
I was thinking this too. You need to be clear it is not a car fault, it is damage accidentally caused by you.
A former colleague went through his insurance when he drove through a deep puddle and the engine sucked up water (Alfa 156 apparently have a very low intake). If accidentally / stupidly driving through a few inches of water is covered, I don't see why an accidental overrev that kills an engine shouldn't be.
sjg said:
I was thinking this too.
A former colleague went through his insurance when he drove through a deep puddle and the engine sucked up water (Alfa 156 apparently have a very low intake). If accidentally / stupidly driving through a few inches of water is covered, I don't see why an accidental overrev that kills an engine shouldn't be.
Good point. A former colleague went through his insurance when he drove through a deep puddle and the engine sucked up water (Alfa 156 apparently have a very low intake). If accidentally / stupidly driving through a few inches of water is covered, I don't see why an accidental overrev that kills an engine shouldn't be.
I killed my old Mondy ST TDCI - drove it though a flooded lane only had to pay the excess it was hydronic lock and electric f
ked. Sadly the car had been stolen a month before and that morning id finally got it bad in lovely as new condition - 1.5 miles later it was scrap! Low loader took it back to the same garage with me. So gutting.
My excess at the time was £500. So I'd paid £500 for the fact it was stolen then another £500 for 1.5miles of driving... then 5 years of inflated insurance premiums.
MrBarry123 said:
I've read this thread and still can't work out whether a) the OP lunched his engine and is trying to be coy in the belief that he can get VW to cover the replacement or b) the OP is convinced the engine lunched itself...
C. The OP is in denial about having lunched his engine and fervently hoping VW will suddenly realise it lunched itself.TooMany2cvs said:
C. The OP is in denial about having lunched his engine and fervently hoping VW will suddenly realise it lunched itself.
It is unusual to need to be in 4th changing down from 70mph to 50mph to be in the midrange... 6th would be fine unless it was a very steep hill in which case a more oowerful car is required Beanie said:
Yes I'm in denial, doesn't change the fact that I'm going to have to pay for it
I agree about the insurance, hypothetically, if I had hit the wrong gear shot forward and hit a wall and somehow managed to blow the engine, the whole lot is covered, why is this different?
But my Mondy ST wasn't damaged in any way apart from the flood damage - which I drove through and I told them as such. I agree about the insurance, hypothetically, if I had hit the wrong gear shot forward and hit a wall and somehow managed to blow the engine, the whole lot is covered, why is this different?
I'd play dumb with the insurance company go down the fault claim with he vehicle at one of their registered garages. See what happens.
Worst case your told to foxtrot oscar.
MrBarry123 said:
I've read this thread and still can't work out whether a) the OP lunched his engine and is trying to be coy in the belief that he can get VW to cover the replacement or b) the OP is convinced the engine lunched itself and is confused as I am at the moment...
It is a little bizarre, surely to lunch the engine by getting the revs to 8.5k at 70 mph then it must have been put in first or second which I would imagine you would instantly feel let alone hear. You also seem very blase about VW charging you a minimum of £10k to put a new engine in a car that you only have 7 months left on the lease, hope you get sorted anyway OP Oh no certainly not taking it lightly and can assure you it's been followed by a couple of sleepless nights,
Spoke to insurance again and I think I'm going to have to take legal advice
They are calling it wear a tear and saying I caused it, my argument was I could cause an accident hitting a wall or using wrong fuel it's an accidental act, however they are saying no you caused it and it's wear and tear
Any one know a specialist lawyer?
Spoke to insurance again and I think I'm going to have to take legal advice
They are calling it wear a tear and saying I caused it, my argument was I could cause an accident hitting a wall or using wrong fuel it's an accidental act, however they are saying no you caused it and it's wear and tear
Any one know a specialist lawyer?
Stickyfinger said:
cptsideways said:
I'd put a bet on & say its snapped a camshaft, In which case a few valves might be all its needs maybe some pistons & a camshaft. For the sake of an hours work pop the camcover off.
8.5k should not snap rods for such a short period of time
my thinking also8.5k should not snap rods for such a short period of time
Its easy for them to say "needs new engine mate" but that is a rubbish diagnosis.
I'd get the plugs out and the cam cover off, get eyes on the camshafts and drive chain/belt.
Get a camera/borescope inside the cylinders to see what the damage is.
I'd be hopeful of a repair with just the head removed. If the block is damaged/destroyed I'd have expected you to hear something as it went.
Just giving them the OK to spend 10k+ without some initial fault finding is insane IMHO.
Edited by DuraAce on Friday 6th October 08:52
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