VW Golf 1.9 GT TDI 150 5dr

[Vee]

three_fifty_z said:

Can we compare Apples To Apples.

Mine has 68,000 Miles. YES 68,000 i dont know why your all comparing higher mileage cars,
Mine is the 150 BHP model and its Fully Loaded in excellent condition.

Arguably the PD130 is a better car - more reliable than the PD150.
I could be interested in it as a daily hack.

Is the 68k on the original engine ?
What history do you have ?
When was the CAT damage & when was it repaired ?
Finally, what was the damage.

[tigger1]

Vee said:

three_fifty_z said:

Think of all the Torque

(Many many boxtsers have been outdriven by me in this car, on a straight road at least!)

I'll tell you a little secret - people on here know about cars. Noone to impress here with b******t. The only Golf to get close to any Boxster is an R32.

Although in many many situations a gti is arguably quicker than an R32.

[Welshbeef]

anonymous said:

[redacted]

Very true - no matter how small the damage was it is a CAT D and it is a run of the mill car and most people will avoid it especially as its barely cheaper than non CAT D cars.

Its the same as modified cars the resale market is highly reduced (Please remove that dodgy looking number plate in your ad as IMHO it gives a boy racer appearance which allong with CAT D = thrashed).

When you had the accident did you have a pay out/option for a pay out as clearly any accident history will reduce the residual value of the car.


To the OP with regard to the TDI 130 is better than the TDI 150 - Interesting point (off topic) Ive heard that there can be problems with the cams on the 150 whereas the 130 doesnt have this issueand therefore from a head vote the 130 is the more sensible purchase & generally there is little price difference between them. The 150 only has 6-8 more Lbf of torque due to the torque bneing limited to preserve the clutch & gearbox so your going for 20bhp more, is it worth it? Personal choice.

If your looking at the Leon then the TDI 130 & TDI 150 come with a different spec and the 150 is the better buy, but for the Golf the only difference is the BBS wheels

[steebo888]

i bought one 6 weeks ago

2002 150 gt tdi 3 dr silver with full vw history, 107k and cambelt done
£5200

high mileage is not a problem,it has had 1 owner with full history. mainly motorway miles.

it was hard to find this but i looked at a few and walked away from lower milers with more owners and higher cost due to condition.
I didnt give 5 drs a second look as they are not as desirable and wouldnt even look at a cat d.
for your over priced one you can get a much better one (not cat d) with a few extra miles on which is not an issue for buyers.

For the sake of £200 I'd take the 5800 offer. Personally i would only offer £4800 after a full inspection due to it being cat d

Edited by steebo888 on Thursday 7th February 11:04

[phumy]

I have a GTi PD 150 and can vouch for the head problems on the ARL engine, the cam lobes which drive the injectors are the weak point, they go after about 60k miles and at best you need a new cam and lifters (around 1600 pounds at Main Dealer) I know ive BTDT, at worst, a shagged head, i would hate to think what that costs. I was able to argue my case with VW as i had FVWSH and negotiated a goodwill payment of only 25%, to be honest it should have been free as it is a well known fault on this engine by VW.

Having said all that its a lovely car and thoroughly enjoyable

[Fourmotion]

three_fifty_z said:

Can we compare Apples To Apples.

Mine has 68,000 Miles. YES 68,000 i dont know why your all comparing higher mileage cars,
Mine is the 150 BHP model and its Fully Loaded in excellent condition.

Edited by three_fifty_z on Thursday 7th February 00:25

Fully loaded? It is missing some vital things to be fully loaded:

Recaro leather seats
Xenon headlights
Multi-function steering wheel
Centre armrest
Centre rear headrest

I'm sure I've missed quite few things as well. Far from 'Fully Loaded'.

[three_fifty_z]

regarding the CAT D that was done by the previous owner and i bought it repaired.

I have since had the camshafts and the head replaced and have the bills to prove.

[Welshbeef]

three_fifty_z said:

regarding the CAT D that was done by the previous owner and i bought it repaired.

I have since had the camshafts and the head replaced and have the bills to prove.

Can you clarify what exactly was damaged and repaired. It will clearly be a question any potential buyer will ask so you need to have the answers and I would highly recommend putting down all that info on the adverts.

As regard to the fact it was bought as a repaired CAT D then clearly you would have bought it significantly under market value.

Seriously though if you have an offer £200 loower than your asking price then rip his hand off - I mean did you seriously expect not to have any reduction in asking price? Everything is negotiable and £200 for a car that (irrespective of the now repaired damage) will always have cat d on the V5 is well worth the hit.

Remember also that every month your car will probably lose around £100-130 in depreciation alone.

[Vee]

Does the person who's offered £5,800 even know its CatD.
I'm interested but seems that the OP is not.

[Welshbeef]

Vee said:

Does the person who's offered £5,800 even know its CatD.
I'm interested but seems that the OP is not.

Intersting point the Autotrader ad contanins no mention of the Cat d (please get it on there otherwise you may have a lot of calls/wasted calls)

[Vee]

Welshbeef said:

Vee said:

Does the person who's offered £5,800 even know its CatD.
I'm interested but seems that the OP is not.

Intersting point the Autotrader ad contanins no mention of the Cat d (please get it on there otherwise you may have a lot of calls/wasted calls)

Alternatively/more likely - someone might have a lot of wasted time.

[three_fifty_z]

Its a very common problem with the PD150 engine and now that they have been replaced, theres peace of mind for another 70k miles.

[three_fifty_z]

phumy said:

I have a GTi PD 150 and can vouch for the head problems on the ARL engine, the cam lobes which drive the injectors are the weak point, they go after about 60k miles and at best you need a new cam and lifters (around 1600 pounds at Main Dealer) I know ive BTDT, at worst, a shagged head, i would hate to think what that costs. I was able to argue my case with VW as i had FVWSH and negotiated a goodwill payment of only 25%, to be honest it should have been free as it is a well known fault on this engine by VW.

Having said all that its a lovely car and thoroughly enjoyable

The car is genuine and i have done my research. This is a proven problem with the PD150 engine as it uses a different set of camshafts to the PD130 engine. Do a quick search on google and you will see many many owners with the exact same problems.

This reply is to TONKER, i was quoting Phumy as he obviously has first hand knowledge.

Edited by three_fifty_z on Friday 8th February 19:25

[phumy]

three_fifty_z said:

phumy said:

I have a GTi PD 150 and can vouch for the head problems on the ARL engine, the cam lobes which drive the injectors are the weak point, they go after about 60k miles and at best you need a new cam and lifters (around 1600 pounds at Main Dealer) I know ive BTDT, at worst, a shagged head, i would hate to think what that costs. I was able to argue my case with VW as i had FVWSH and negotiated a goodwill payment of only 25%, to be honest it should have been free as it is a well known fault on this engine by VW.

Having said all that its a lovely car and thoroughly enjoyable

The car is genuine and i have done my research. This is a proven problem with the PD150 engine as it uses a different set of camshafts to the PD130 engine. Do a quick search on google and you will see many many owners with the exact same problems.

This reply is to TONKER, i was quoting Phumy as he obviously has first hand knowledge.

Edited by three_fifty_z on Friday 8th February 19:25

By the way, it only has one camshaft, it has gazzilions of lobes on it to drive the tappets, injectors and whatever else VW could think of at the time. Apparently the reason they are not lasting long is that on the PD engine it has individual injector pumps (4), these are "pumped" by the injector lobes on the cam, these PD pumps can pump at pressures upward of 2000bar and that is part of the reason for failure, the other part is that the cam is made out of chocolate, or some material very similar to it.

[Vee]

three_fifty_z said:

i have done my research.

So what and when was the damage ?
When and where was it repaired ?
How much did the repair cost ?

three_fifty_z said:

The car is genuine

To be honest you're making it look anything but.
You've consistently ignored/avoided the specific questions a buyer would reasonably ask.
Didn't you ask these same questions, or, didn't you need to ??

You came on here asking for advice and right now are looking like a shifty trader.

[steebo888]

Vee said:

three_fifty_z said:

i have done my research.

So what and when was the damage ?
When and where was it repaired ?
How much did the repair cost ?

three_fifty_z said:

The car is genuine

To be honest you're making it look anything but.
You've consistently ignored/avoided the specific questions a buyer would reasonably ask.
Didn't you ask these same questions, or, didn't you need to ??

You came on here asking for advice and right now are looking like a shifty trader.

Yes very good points there.
A few people have asked about what the damage is in which there has been no reply on this and also the ad still does not mention this.
Alot of people will HPI this first and notice the cat d which is why they are avoiding it totally and not ringing. (basic hpi can be done for £3 or if people have trade contacts then its free)

When potential buyers are asking questions then they need to be answered or you will just seem the dodgy seller.

[three_fifty_z]

I did not crash the car. I bought it as a repaired cat D. As far as im aware it was rear ended, but i bought it in the condition you see in the pictures, as in it was repaired back to factory standard.

[drybeer]

three_fifty_z said:

Can we compare Apples To Apples.

Mine has 68,000 Miles. YES 68,000 i dont know why your all comparing higher mileage cars,
Mine is the 150 BHP model and its Fully Loaded in excellent condition.

Edited by three_fifty_z on Thursday 7th February 00:25

Well enough's been said on the Cat D thing, so you know what we all think - it's too expensive.

The thing is, I'm in the trade, and the trade price difference between a 130 5 dr and a 150 5 dr is about £250.

Personally I wouldn't value a 150 at any more than a 130, as the simple truth is it is not any more saleable.

I agree it is technically faster, but the 130 I had years ago was just as much fun.

But not as quick as a Boxster.

[steebo888]

do yourself a favour by updating your auto trader ad with the cat d.

Everyone nearly who has advised you on this thread has mentionned it and you still havent updated it. i'd be suprised if anyone bought it with the misleading advert.
you've asked for advice on this forum and ignored what people have said

Edited by steebo888 on Monday 11th February 13:51

[Welshbeef]

three_fifty_z said:

I did not crash the car. I bought it as a repaired cat D. As far as im aware it was rear ended, but i bought it in the condition you see in the pictures, as in it was repaired back to factory standard.

Thats neither here nor there you own the car and its your duty to know what the damage was what was repaired and where and all the receipts. If you seriously do not have any of that info then Im affraid your going to be looking maybe at £3k.
Also not being funny here given you bought it as a repaired cat D you clearly would have paid significantly less than non accident repaired cars (unless yuou like the prospect of owning such a car?) and therefore you cannot seriously be attempting to sell it for no different to current market values of non cat d cars. Or you were highly naive - and if thats the case you paid well over the odds given that please put your brain in gear and take the £5800 offer.


Personally if it were my car I wouldnt get the cambelt changed I would sell it needing it done i.e. if it were a mint car non cat d etc then say £7k but as cambelt is needing changing then asking price reflects this at £6,500 (allow £100 for the hassle of taking it to the garage/wasting half of your weekend).
You yourself can get a HPI check done from the RAC or AA website for £5 - I highly suggest you do as then you will see what any potential buyer will and given that you can prepare the necessary answers.

Finally if you seriously do not know what happend call the garage where it was repaired and ask them the work carried out will be all there also it should be no issue & free to get a receipt reprint/invoice reprint for all the work carried out.

Take off those number plates they really downgrade the car and really make any buyer think "boy racer". Put some normal ones on and change ths pics in the ad, also if you still have the original rear lenses change them back to std.
Last but not least as said before the number plate + rear chav lights + talk about racing Boxters is really not going to increase your sellability Id highly suggest it would decrease it somewhat. So when someone comes to view it dont mention such activities as you could easily lose a sale.



Las last point - it has a very short MOT, if Im buying a second hand car of a value >£3k to b frank I will demand the owner gives it a full 12 months MOT otherwise I walk. If it were a £1k banger thats different but your asking around £6k and 12 months MOT is a must Tax is irrelevant really as you should sell it with no tax but if thy intend to buy it you can add back on the tax but bear in mind its only £9pcm.

Let us know how it goes.