DSG - Love/Hate? Marmite?
Discussion
Tame Technician said:
As far as all the customers i know, 90% love the DSG. As far as all the technicians and "real drivers" are concerned 99% hate the DSG.
Heres a true story. (sale demo, not customers car)
3.2 TT 2007 model DSG. Winding b road, coming out of 2nd gear bend, short blast to very tight corner wanted to go up to rev limit in 2nd then brake hard to say 3000rpm for turn in, (FORGOT LIKE A FOOL) it wouldn't do that, it changed up onto third just before i braked, so i press the down shift paddle, it was just a bit to much for the box to change down at that speed, to save over revving the engine it wont allow the down shift, ok i think i'll just take the bend in 3rd, no bog deal. Just as I'm off the brake and turning in........Yep you guessed it, it now decides its ok and selected 2nd gear and seriously upset the balance of the car, flicked the back end right out(lift off oversteer style) and if it didnt have ESP i may well have binned it.
Its jurky in town, and not great getting away, it changes up at high rpm, even when you supposed to be controlling the up shifts, and as detailed above, it can even make you crash. DSG Marmite indeed, I hate it, kids with play stations and people who pose love it.
However it is faster 0-60 by about 0.4 of a sec or something daft, but how often do you do that, If you think you a but of a driver, or like some sort of involvement with he car, ITS GOT TO BE A MANUAL.
Glad to hear Audi mechanics treat all there cars with due care and dillegence, it may or may not have been a 'customers car' this time, but lets hope you don't buy a ex demo from this garage!Heres a true story. (sale demo, not customers car)
3.2 TT 2007 model DSG. Winding b road, coming out of 2nd gear bend, short blast to very tight corner wanted to go up to rev limit in 2nd then brake hard to say 3000rpm for turn in, (FORGOT LIKE A FOOL) it wouldn't do that, it changed up onto third just before i braked, so i press the down shift paddle, it was just a bit to much for the box to change down at that speed, to save over revving the engine it wont allow the down shift, ok i think i'll just take the bend in 3rd, no bog deal. Just as I'm off the brake and turning in........Yep you guessed it, it now decides its ok and selected 2nd gear and seriously upset the balance of the car, flicked the back end right out(lift off oversteer style) and if it didnt have ESP i may well have binned it.
Its jurky in town, and not great getting away, it changes up at high rpm, even when you supposed to be controlling the up shifts, and as detailed above, it can even make you crash. DSG Marmite indeed, I hate it, kids with play stations and people who pose love it.
However it is faster 0-60 by about 0.4 of a sec or something daft, but how often do you do that, If you think you a but of a driver, or like some sort of involvement with he car, ITS GOT TO BE A MANUAL.
Its very easy to thrash the arse off a car when it is not yours and you do not have to pay the bills on it. 99% of people do not enter a bend at such high velocity that the car is on the brink of crashing for whatever reason, and if they did want to drive in that manner then you would not choose an Audi of any kind. A quasi racer would be your best bet.
Take the DSG gearbox for what it is, and appreciate how good an all rounder it is, I have just come from a Porsche Tiptronic and this is a much better version. Remember as you say 90% of your customers love it, don't they pay your wages????
Griff Boy said:
Tame Technician said:
As far as all the customers i know, 90% love the DSG. As far as all the technicians and "real drivers" are concerned 99% hate the DSG.
Heres a true story. (sale demo, not customers car)
3.2 TT 2007 model DSG. Winding b road, coming out of 2nd gear bend, short blast to very tight corner wanted to go up to rev limit in 2nd then brake hard to say 3000rpm for turn in, (FORGOT LIKE A FOOL) it wouldn't do that, it changed up onto third just before i braked, so i press the down shift paddle, it was just a bit to much for the box to change down at that speed, to save over revving the engine it wont allow the down shift, ok i think i'll just take the bend in 3rd, no bog deal. Just as I'm off the brake and turning in........Yep you guessed it, it now decides its ok and selected 2nd gear and seriously upset the balance of the car, flicked the back end right out(lift off oversteer style) and if it didnt have ESP i may well have binned it.
Its jurky in town, and not great getting away, it changes up at high rpm, even when you supposed to be controlling the up shifts, and as detailed above, it can even make you crash. DSG Marmite indeed, I hate it, kids with play stations and people who pose love it.
However it is faster 0-60 by about 0.4 of a sec or something daft, but how often do you do that, If you think you a but of a driver, or like some sort of involvement with he car, ITS GOT TO BE A MANUAL.
Glad to hear Audi mechanics treat all there cars with due care and dillegence, it may or may not have been a 'customers car' this time, but lets hope you don't buy a ex demo from this garage!Heres a true story. (sale demo, not customers car)
3.2 TT 2007 model DSG. Winding b road, coming out of 2nd gear bend, short blast to very tight corner wanted to go up to rev limit in 2nd then brake hard to say 3000rpm for turn in, (FORGOT LIKE A FOOL) it wouldn't do that, it changed up onto third just before i braked, so i press the down shift paddle, it was just a bit to much for the box to change down at that speed, to save over revving the engine it wont allow the down shift, ok i think i'll just take the bend in 3rd, no bog deal. Just as I'm off the brake and turning in........Yep you guessed it, it now decides its ok and selected 2nd gear and seriously upset the balance of the car, flicked the back end right out(lift off oversteer style) and if it didnt have ESP i may well have binned it.
Its jurky in town, and not great getting away, it changes up at high rpm, even when you supposed to be controlling the up shifts, and as detailed above, it can even make you crash. DSG Marmite indeed, I hate it, kids with play stations and people who pose love it.
However it is faster 0-60 by about 0.4 of a sec or something daft, but how often do you do that, If you think you a but of a driver, or like some sort of involvement with he car, ITS GOT TO BE A MANUAL.
Its very easy to thrash the arse off a car when it is not yours and you do not have to pay the bills on it. 99% of people do not enter a bend at such high velocity that the car is on the brink of crashing for whatever reason, and if they did want to drive in that manner then you would not choose an Audi of any kind. A quasi racer would be your best bet.
Take the DSG gearbox for what it is, and appreciate how good an all rounder it is, I have just come from a Porsche Tiptronic and this is a much better version. Remember as you say 90% of your customers love it, don't they pay your wages????
Having not been in a position to drive a flappy paddle version of the DSG box I find it interesting to read some proper feed back from somebody who by the sounds of it actually drives properly. Griff boy are you just bitter that you bought the car with the wrong box?!
Drives properly? How can you tell from a paragraph of text?
I think the point is: If you spend 99% of your time thrashing around on B roads, choose a manual (and as Griff suggests, something well suited). Don't dismiss DSG as being for those who do not enjoy spirited driving though. That would presumably question why anyone even discusses DSG on PH? How many of us do not compromise when buying a car? I know that I do not own the car that I really want - nor do most enthusiasts. I mostly own cars that suit what I need them for though. A manual car would be tiresome for me, given the driving I do in the place that I live. DSG suits just right.
I think the point is: If you spend 99% of your time thrashing around on B roads, choose a manual (and as Griff suggests, something well suited). Don't dismiss DSG as being for those who do not enjoy spirited driving though. That would presumably question why anyone even discusses DSG on PH? How many of us do not compromise when buying a car? I know that I do not own the car that I really want - nor do most enthusiasts. I mostly own cars that suit what I need them for though. A manual car would be tiresome for me, given the driving I do in the place that I live. DSG suits just right.
interloper said:
The Tame Technicians description hardly sounds like abuse? Just normal spirited driving IMO anyway. 90% of Audi drivers probably are not car enthusiasts so whether they like DSG or not is going to be pretty irrelevant wouldn't you say?
Having not been in a position to drive a flappy paddle version of the DSG box I find it interesting to read some proper feed back from somebody who by the sounds of it actually drives properly. Griff boy are you just bitter that you bought the car with the wrong box?!
Thanks! its about time someone on here realised I speak the truth, even if it seems harsh.Having not been in a position to drive a flappy paddle version of the DSG box I find it interesting to read some proper feed back from somebody who by the sounds of it actually drives properly. Griff boy are you just bitter that you bought the car with the wrong box?!
Audi techs are very profecional highly trained people, me included. I try to help people with on PH with free advise that would normally cost them, £88+ per hour. SO if you want to say my ability to drive a car properly is abuse, then you clearly cant drive or have litle understand of the what the car is doing in these situations. I find it amazing that someone with a TVR thinks like that....
Perhaps I should have mentioned 90% of TT customers never drive hard and simply like the look of the TT and bought one for that reason. The other 10% listened to none "drivers" saying how good it was, and got cars with the wrong box, always complaining of issues that aren't a fault but characteristic of the DSG.
Griff Boy I hope you don't have an expensive failier when its out of warranty, mechatronics module, for example. I've done a few of those as low as 40,000 miles.
Oh and just incase your betting on German reliability, most DSG components are built in France.
http://news.thomasnet.com/companystory/501867
Tame Technician said:
interloper said:
Having not been in a position to drive a flappy paddle version of the DSG box I find it interesting to read some proper feed back from somebody who by the sounds of it actually drives properly. Griff boy are you just bitter that you bought the car with the wrong box?!
Audi techs are very profecional highly trained people, me included. I try to help people with on PH with free advise that would normally cost them, £88+ per hour. SO if you want to say my ability to drive a car properly is abuse, then you clearly cant drive or have litle understand of the what the car is doing in these situations. I find it amazing that someone with a TVR thinks like that....
Perhaps I should have mentioned 90% of TT customers never drive hard and simply like the look of the TT and bought one for that reason. The other 10% listened to none "drivers" saying how good it was, and got cars with the wrong box, always complaining of issues that aren't a fault but characteristic of the DSG.
http://news.thomasnet.com/companystory/501867
Bitter? Er have you read my posts? I think that the gearbox is great, and I sepcifically chose one for the reason being that it suits the way and times i use my car for perfectly.
TTech
This is exactly my point, I do own a 5 litre Griffith with no traction control or ABS or any other driver aids. I have experienced a variety of on track time and I will use the car excatly the way and reason it was designed. This is the type of car to enter a corner at ...... etc not a DSG TT, that is the point of what I am saying. I bought this car specifically for this reason.
The reason being that the car was set up for the 99% of drivers who do not, mostly should not and have not ever tried that kind of manouver on a public road. I am not knocking your ability to drive a car, I am saying that you should choose a car suited to do it in!
Basically do not try to make the TT DSG into something it is not supposed to be in the first place.
Apprecaite the gearbox for what it is, and how much of a revolution it was when it first appeared, nothing is perfect, nothing ever will be and if someone ever thinks it is, someone else will disagree.
I do however fail to see the need to try to quote expensive repairs to owners of DSG gearboxes, as a mechanic i am sure you know of many areas of every modern car that would be expensive to repair? Technical help is always valid, and I am sure will prove benficial to lots of people on PH, but you must also appreciate that some people have different needs and requirements in their cars and understand that your advice should vary accordingally
Lets put this into perspective, I am the owner of a TT, which lets face it which ever gearbox you have it's still known as a hairdressers car by a lot of people!
Edited by Griff Boy on Monday 10th December 12:42
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