VW Golf 1.9 GT TDI 150 5dr

[Vee]

Ah feck it, I'll say what we're all thinking.

350z knows exactly what the damage and when/where it was repaired.
He/she is specificaly avoiding putting CatD in the ad in the hope that some poor unsuspecting buys it.

Tonker is close to the mark with 'Imran' imo.

[Welshbeef]

anonymous said:

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I think thats possibly true OR that he was a little naive (maybe the salesman & the whole car showroom etc and money burning in his pocket got the best of him. Given his only response on the accident It appears to me that this individual was "sold" on the fact it was put back like new and as such that would have NO impact on residual value. Maybe Im wrong but thats a possibility.


Would I buy from this guy? Well as it happens Im after this sort of car be it a Leon or Golf (maybe 130 or the 150) and ball park numbers like he first posted. However I asked quite a few times what was the accident, what was repaired/replaced & IIRC I have asked about the odd dash display. No response so as it is pretty much a run of the mill car countless available on Autotrader I have can have the pick of the bunch, if there are issues surrounding one car and identical car with no such issues then its a no brainer I'd go for the no issue car unless there was a SIGNIFICANT reduction in price over the market value of a mint example & of course Id demand he replaces the cambelt @ his cost & MOT @ his cost. Then Id certainly run it into the ground.

The other interesting thing is that at the £7k level there are Mk5 GT TDI 140 golfs again 1 owner FVWSH but with 95k+ thats a newer plate, newer model, bigger, better rear suspension etc. So given there is so little difference in price the price the OP is asking does make it very difficult to appeal to many buyers.

[three_fifty_z]

Hi where do I start!

Ok firstly im selling the car below what I bought it for and in hindsight I did pay over the odds for it. I had a HPI check done and it says it was a stolen recovered (2005), so must have been crashed then.

Everything on the car as far as im aware is standard and that includes the rear lights. Its just that the pictures were taken on my mobile and so the qualitys not great. Thats why the shot of the trip computer also looks a bit off.

I dont know where it has been repaired, but to be honest you cant slag off the repair without knowing anything about it ie; imran garage etc. And it drives perfectly fine and im very happy with the standard of repair, like I said before its like new.

Its listed here http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/363086.htm and it does say its a Cat D.

Edited by three_fifty_z on Monday 11th February 16:58

[Fidgits]

anonymous said:

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Mate, take the offer - with this cars history and if your anything like the sort of chancer you appear to be on here its the best offer you'll get for this car...

Am i the only person thinking he made up the £5800 offer to try and get £6k for his car ASAP? Or are there really that many guillable car buyers out there?

[steebo888]

I would take the £5800 you have been offered.
Alot of people dont mind buying cat d's if they know the full history. did you make no effort in checking this when you bought it?

Edited by steebo888 on Monday 11th February 17:07

[three_fifty_z]

How is the engine ed? I just had the camshaft and the head done. Secondly the guy with the 5,800 offer fell through as he "no longer has the funds". Thanks to everyone who was being helpful for the advice.

[Vee]

three_fifty_z said:

I dont know where it has been repaired, but to be honest you cant slag off the repair without knowing anything about it

Neither do you by the sounds of it.
How can you tell its been 'repaired to a very high standard' if you don't know specifically WHAT was repaired ?

Do you have all the old MOT certificates ?
How many owners ?
Has it been inspected to certify it as satsfactory repaired ? When was this awarded ?
In 2005, a less than 2 year old, low mileage Golf TDi would've sustained a lot of damage to be classed a total loss in my opinion.

A shred of credit due as you've listed it as Cat D in the ad on here.

Edited by Vee on Monday 11th February 17:29

[three_fifty_z]

How can you jump to all these conclusions?

Yes it is a CAT D / Stolen Recovered.
Everything on the car is standard
What do you mean that display?? theres nothing wrong with it.
the 5,800 offer did exist, why would I make that up
Im only selling it as I need the money,
but now i know what the car is worth so
if i get another offer in the 5,800 region
I will take it.

At the end of the day you can beleive what you want to and
everyone is entilted to their own opinion.

Finally I give up, Ive told you all the truth, but some love to jump to conclusions to stir up some drama,
as a result I will stop posting in this thread.

Edited by three_fifty_z on Monday 11th February 17:57

[Vee]

three_fifty_z said:

How can you jump to all these conclusions?

Because you are still avoiding some of the specific questions being asked - which ANY prospective buyer would ask and which are difficult to believe you DIDN'T ask when knowingly buying it as a Cat D.

[Fidgits]

three_fifty_z said:

Secondly the guy with the 5,800 offer fell through as he "no longer has the funds".

why am i not surprised!

[steebo888]

anonymous said:

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I can vouch for the display which seems strange.
I have a gt tdi 150 golf and will take a pic from my camera phone and post it as soon as.

[Welshbeef]

three_fifty_z said:

Hi where do I start!

Ok firstly im selling the car below what I bought it for and in hindsight I did pay over the odds for it. I had a HPI check done and it says it was a stolen recovered (2005), so must have been crashed then.

Everything on the car as far as im aware is standard and that includes the rear lights. Its just that the pictures were taken on my mobile and so the qualitys not great. Thats why the shot of the trip computer also looks a bit off.

I dont know where it has been repaired, but to be honest you cant slag off the repair without knowing anything about it ie; imran garage etc. And it drives perfectly fine and im very happy with the standard of repair, like I said before its like new.

Its listed here http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/363086.htm and it does say its a Cat D.

Edited by three_fifty_z on Monday 11th February 16:58

Just to clarify up until this post it was only a CAT D - have you just done a HPI check and found out it was a stolen recovered or was this known before?

With number of owners that info will be on your V5 logbook. If I were you I would take a pic of this too so as to eliminate any questions + I would highly recommend getting it MOT'd that way it will give a potential buyer a lot more confidence in the vehicle.

Also take another pic of the dash display - as you have seen some posts here think wrongly or rightly its been tampered with to cease such challenges you simply need to take another pic of it where the issue with the first pic isnt there.

[Welshbeef]

steebo888 said:

anonymous said:

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I can vouch for the display which seems strange.
I have a gt tdi 150 golf and will take a pic from my camera phone and post it as soon as.

Ok here is a list of things wrong with this car:-
1.Short MOT on a fairly new car which in theory should fly through it - conclusion seller should put one on as any sensible buyer will demand one is put on or will walk/question then why the seller would not pay £30 for the MOT on a car sale of say £6k unless there is a potential failure.

2. Selling the car after a mere 6 months ownership? Clearly question to ask is why - and what are you buying next. Reason given so far is to get the cash but given he would then need to buy another car we really are only talking about a few thousand cash based on that why not get a loan to cover the cashflow issue and pay that off thereby eliminating the depreciation hit you will take on a car that you only bought 6 months ago, unless of course it was an attempt to flip it or you do change cars that frequently.

3. CAT D - no more need to be said, clearly that will decrease the potential market

4. New info from a HPI check that it is stolen reovered which the seller presumes is where the damage occured? It may not have occured then. Also clearly a question must be raised up until the point I stated that any buyer would of course get a HPI done as its only £3-5 from RAC & AA this extra info appeared. Now either it wasnt gospel that was being stated earlier or he had not done a HPI himself in which case given it was a CAT D thats a crazy thing not to do. I must also then question was it bought from a Trader - as if so and this info was not given you may have some comeback. f it was a private sale... well I hope you learn from this elementary error. Its similar to people who buy houses in auctions without a survay on a house costing £200k... then cry when the extent of the problems come to light!!

5. Number plates - Unless they are genuine pre 1965??IIRC then they are illegal and I would seriously get them changed today as if you are stopped you will get fined and receive points. If it is a pre 1965 take the plate off and buy a new reg for it then sell this pre 1965 plate - Id inmagine there are plenty of Hot Rodders who would take it off your hands and it would suit their cars.

6. Display - Ive had a Golf Mk4 before and that display is too widely spaced on the instantanious MPG readout. Now as you point out it might be due to your camera phone - but why is it only that bit and nothing else above & below it thats effected. If its the camera phone take another pic with the error corrected. Otherwise this combined with the fact it was stolen recovered screams tampering of some sorts/issues

7. Milage 68k, pretty low for a Diesel of that age however the cambelt is due so the buyer may demand the seller changes this before he buys it or otherwise simply deduct £500-600 off the asking price.

8. The damage was repaired to VW std - issue here is the seller has declared he doesnt know what was physically damaged and what was replaced and what was made good. Were the airbags replaced?, bumper/rear hatch, was the chassis buckled/roof/rear quarter. Can we see some pics of the panel gaps of all the doors and rear hatch and bonnet. If it was rear ended 2 years ago it would be only a 2 year old car and for it to be cat D'd when its market value was say around £13k = there must have been a lot of damage. If it was rear ended then did that cause the exhaust to push forward damaging the exhaust manifold/cylinderhead? Were any radiators pierced? Brake lines? Whats the underseal like - as that not possible to restore to factory std unless they stripped the whole car of underseal and re did it.

9. £5.8k offer on the table then fell through, not so much of an issue in isolation as this sort of thing does happen. But when someone offers you an amount you either make the sale then or take say a £250 non refundable deposit this gives the seller & buyer more security that its a genuine sale.

10. All of he above reasons add up to the fact the potential market for this car is vastly reduced at the price you advertise, I'd suggest a significant reduction in price would be needed £2k+ off screen price and then you may get more takers. Failing that why not sell it directly to a trader for cash or a Car Auction which is where its real market value will be determined. Also how much cash do you really need as all the selling options mean your going to be losing upwards of £2k however an overdraft/loan wouldnt cost anywhere near as much + as you have the car better the deveil you know than the devil you dont (or maybe not with this car).

Good luck - I dont care if you are a genuine seller or a little shadey Ive listed issues which I'd assume are pertinant to any buyer and unless you can answer them on an internet forum how on earth are you going to answer face to face or down the phone? If you dont know or cannot then your only option s are Ebay/Auction/Selling direct to trade for cash.

Let us know how you get on.

[Welshbeef]

One last thing can you just state did you have a HPI when you bought it or have you done it since posting on this forum.

[Welshbeef]

anonymous said:

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Of course there is that option too.

It is amusing though to see the seller price it up at near on identical price to non issue cars. There are countless examples of these starting from asking £4.5k - £9k and with downward pressure of the Mk5 why would you buy a Mk4 like this for £6k when you can get a 90k £7k Gt TDI140? newer better design/nmodern multilink syspension etc.
Also the Gt TDI 130 was barely cheaper brand new yet there are plenty of 2nd hand advertisers who seem to add a premium on for this car well its not really worth any more than the TDI130 and in most circumstances the TDI130 is the better buy.

[Fidgits]

heres his DIS display:


Heres mine from my Audi:


Now, accepting the radio was off (so top blank) and that the temp and Mileage were switched on the VW - it still looks well dodgy to me!

[footnote]Edited cos the pictures changed!

Edited by Fidgits on Friday 29th February 16:08

[Welshbeef]

One other thing to consider unless he was last driving it in heavy traffic thats rubbish MPG from a 1.9 TDI 150 - they give 50+mpg day in dya out more likely 55mpg.

[Fidgits]

Welshbeef said:

One other thing to consider unless he was last driving it in heavy traffic thats rubbish MPG from a 1.9 TDI 150 - they give 50+mpg day in dya out more likely 55mpg.

I did say that in the very beginning - its hugely low MPG from a Golf TDI!

[MElliottUK]

my gt tdi does not have that spacing in the mpg read out,

To be fair 41.2 mpg sounds about right for it when its on its warm up, looks slightly off 90 degrees which mine sits bang on when warm so i assume its probably been run for about 15mins before photo was taken. Its in mode 1 which is showing average over distance covered since engine was started.

Over the last 2500mile my average is 53mpg (indicated by mode 2 of the computer). I got 57mpg in mode 1 on the way home tonight which is the best ive managed so far.

Good luck with the sale, I think its too expesive like everyone else but im not going to cause a big debate.

Hope mine doesnt need a cam anytime, i plan to run it upto about 160,000 miles (130BHP one, ASZ engine)

Edited by MElliottUK on Wednesday 13th February 22:32

[steebo888]

have you sold this car yet?