Looking at A4 Avant 2.0T
Discussion
Morning people. I have an e91 LCI 320d BMW Touring and due to very low mileage am looking to switch back to petrol. Started looking at A4 Avant for about £11k. What should I be looking for? S Line is a given but what else? I guess I'm looking at around a 58 plate which is what I have, so was this a facelift year? I also would want Quattro if making the switch to an Audi.
Any advice welcome!
Any advice welcome!
Why do you need to go quatro, be mindful of the fact they carry quite a weight penalty because of the quatro running gear.
I ran the diesel version from new in 07 till 2010, excellent car, reassuring grip levels and once chipped it would cruise at 100mph (autobarhns of course)
It would return 47mpg! Going back to grip, it was also very good in snow, which is my reason for asking why quatro.Overall a very well screwed together car, interior panels have nice gapping/fit with no rattles, seats are comfortable (LeMans -Calais in one hit on one occasion-speed cameras were all facing north!) As a workhorse with the rear seats folded down its quite surprising how much they hold.I sold it to a ph member who I think still has the car so I assume he is happy with it as much as myself.
2008 did have some changes-for the better, as you would expect.
I ran the diesel version from new in 07 till 2010, excellent car, reassuring grip levels and once chipped it would cruise at 100mph (autobarhns of course)
It would return 47mpg! Going back to grip, it was also very good in snow, which is my reason for asking why quatro.Overall a very well screwed together car, interior panels have nice gapping/fit with no rattles, seats are comfortable (LeMans -Calais in one hit on one occasion-speed cameras were all facing north!) As a workhorse with the rear seats folded down its quite surprising how much they hold.I sold it to a ph member who I think still has the car so I assume he is happy with it as much as myself.
2008 did have some changes-for the better, as you would expect.
terenceb said:
Why do you need to go quatro, be mindful of the fact they carry quite a weight penalty because of the quatro running gear.
I ran the diesel version from new in 07 till 2010, excellent car, reassuring grip levels and once chipped it would cruise at 100mph (autobarhns of course)
It would return 47mpg! Going back to grip, it was also very good in snow, which is my reason for asking why quatro.Overall a very well screwed together car, interior panels have nice gapping/fit with no rattles, seats are comfortable (LeMans -Calais in one hit on one occasion-speed cameras were all facing north!) As a workhorse with the rear seats folded down its quite surprising how much they hold.I sold it to a ph member who I think still has the car so I assume he is happy with it as much as myself.
2008 did have some changes-for the better, as you would expect.
Quattro purely for additional grip. With winters becoming more often snowy, with a car full of wife and kids I'd feel happier with 4WD stability.I ran the diesel version from new in 07 till 2010, excellent car, reassuring grip levels and once chipped it would cruise at 100mph (autobarhns of course)
It would return 47mpg! Going back to grip, it was also very good in snow, which is my reason for asking why quatro.Overall a very well screwed together car, interior panels have nice gapping/fit with no rattles, seats are comfortable (LeMans -Calais in one hit on one occasion-speed cameras were all facing north!) As a workhorse with the rear seats folded down its quite surprising how much they hold.I sold it to a ph member who I think still has the car so I assume he is happy with it as much as myself.
2008 did have some changes-for the better, as you would expect.
Is the 2.0T a good option? I'd look at remapping it, as have done with my 320d. How do the petrol turbos pull? Anything to be aware of in terms of engines, and year of car etc? When was the facelift and what changed?
Disclaimer : I drive a '09 2.0 A4 Avant TFSI Quattro, B8 version. Not modded.
I expect your budget would stretch to a B8, which has a much more space inside compared to the B7.
Generally, it's a great engine, lots of torque, but still enjoys revs. I think Quattro is a must, particularly if you want to chip it.
The only major concern on the 20.TFSI engine in the B8 is the oil consumption problems. Various different factors, but potentially require an engine rebuild with new pistons/rings, even on lowish mileage examples. Consumption an be as much as a litre of oil per tank of fuel, apparently! Audi apparently will offer significant goodwill contributions on cars with main dealer service history, but I wouldn't count on that. Ideally find a car that's had it sorted already
Spec-wise, look for leather and tech pack (satnav/bleutooth/audi music interface). The satnav isn't 'full postcode' buy amazingly they didn't fix that until the 2012 facelift...
Not sure why you think "s-line is a given"?
I expect your budget would stretch to a B8, which has a much more space inside compared to the B7.
Generally, it's a great engine, lots of torque, but still enjoys revs. I think Quattro is a must, particularly if you want to chip it.
The only major concern on the 20.TFSI engine in the B8 is the oil consumption problems. Various different factors, but potentially require an engine rebuild with new pistons/rings, even on lowish mileage examples. Consumption an be as much as a litre of oil per tank of fuel, apparently! Audi apparently will offer significant goodwill contributions on cars with main dealer service history, but I wouldn't count on that. Ideally find a car that's had it sorted already
Spec-wise, look for leather and tech pack (satnav/bleutooth/audi music interface). The satnav isn't 'full postcode' buy amazingly they didn't fix that until the 2012 facelift...
Not sure why you think "s-line is a given"?
silentbrown said:
Disclaimer : I drive a '09 2.0 A4 Avant TFSI Quattro, B8 version. Not modded.
I expect your budget would stretch to a B8, which has a much more space inside compared to the B7.
Generally, it's a great engine, lots of torque, but still enjoys revs. I think Quattro is a must, particularly if you want to chip it.
The only major concern on the 20.TFSI engine in the B8 is the oil consumption problems. Various different factors, but potentially require an engine rebuild with new pistons/rings, even on lowish mileage examples. Consumption an be as much as a litre of oil per tank of fuel, apparently! Audi apparently will offer significant goodwill contributions on cars with main dealer service history, but I wouldn't count on that. Ideally find a car that's had it sorted already
Spec-wise, look for leather and tech pack (satnav/bleutooth/audi music interface). The satnav isn't 'full postcode' buy amazingly they didn't fix that until the 2012 facelift...
Not sure why you think "s-line is a given"?
Yes, just been looking at a B8 09 with 76k on the clock. Has had a cambelt warranty replacement but no mention of oil consumption issues, which sound slightly alarming. Any views on running costs compared to my 320d?
S Line is a given for me as I want the sportier look.
I expect your budget would stretch to a B8, which has a much more space inside compared to the B7.
Generally, it's a great engine, lots of torque, but still enjoys revs. I think Quattro is a must, particularly if you want to chip it.
The only major concern on the 20.TFSI engine in the B8 is the oil consumption problems. Various different factors, but potentially require an engine rebuild with new pistons/rings, even on lowish mileage examples. Consumption an be as much as a litre of oil per tank of fuel, apparently! Audi apparently will offer significant goodwill contributions on cars with main dealer service history, but I wouldn't count on that. Ideally find a car that's had it sorted already
Spec-wise, look for leather and tech pack (satnav/bleutooth/audi music interface). The satnav isn't 'full postcode' buy amazingly they didn't fix that until the 2012 facelift...
Not sure why you think "s-line is a given"?
Yes, just been looking at a B8 09 with 76k on the clock. Has had a cambelt warranty replacement but no mention of oil consumption issues, which sound slightly alarming. Any views on running costs compared to my 320d?
S Line is a given for me as I want the sportier look.
Gavstar said:
S Line is a given for me as I want the sportier look.
I'm not really sure what S-line gives in that area? Slightly bigger wheels (which many non S-line cars will have anyway) and a bunch of badges? 2.0TFSI's are rare enough that I wouldn't rule out a well specced SE or similar - You can always change the wheels later...Cost wise, reckon on around 30-32MPG for a quattro car: More if you're doing lots of m-way at sub 85-lepton speeds. With fuel costs predicted to fall further/stay low for a few years, it's a good time to be back in a petrol car.
Good deals on main dealer servicing on older cars (£159 interim, £309 inspection)
Can't usefully compare prices with BMW as the last one I had was an E28 M5...
I have a 2009 B8 A4 Avant 2.0TFSi Quattro Multitronic (7 speed & similar to DSG)
I have only owned it for 4 months, but absolutely love it. It has plenty of pull (must be the Revo re-map) and the quality & spec compared to the B7 I had previously is such a step up.
As for MPG, yes I can achieve 35-38 on a steady motorway run, but constant town driving only gets me around 20mpg.
Just filled up today with Super Unleaded (due to Revo) at a cost of £61 for 55 litres, and I achieved 238 miles for that full tank.
I have only owned it for 4 months, but absolutely love it. It has plenty of pull (must be the Revo re-map) and the quality & spec compared to the B7 I had previously is such a step up.
As for MPG, yes I can achieve 35-38 on a steady motorway run, but constant town driving only gets me around 20mpg.
Just filled up today with Super Unleaded (due to Revo) at a cost of £61 for 55 litres, and I achieved 238 miles for that full tank.
MancDan said:
I have a 2009 B8 A4 Avant 2.0TFSi Quattro Multitronic (7 speed & similar to DSG)
I have only owned it for 4 months, but absolutely love it. It has plenty of pull (must be the Revo re-map) and the quality & spec compared to the B7 I had previously is such a step up.
As for MPG, yes I can achieve 35-38 on a steady motorway run, but constant town driving only gets me around 20mpg.
Just filled up today with Super Unleaded (due to Revo) at a cost of £61 for 55 litres, and I achieved 238 miles for that full tank.
Looks lovely.I have only owned it for 4 months, but absolutely love it. It has plenty of pull (must be the Revo re-map) and the quality & spec compared to the B7 I had previously is such a step up.
As for MPG, yes I can achieve 35-38 on a steady motorway run, but constant town driving only gets me around 20mpg.
Just filled up today with Super Unleaded (due to Revo) at a cost of £61 for 55 litres, and I achieved 238 miles for that full tank.
The following isn't meant as a dig, but....
As your fuel economy is the same as my S4, is there any point in owning the 2.0tfsi?
MancDan said:
I have a 2009 B8 A4 Avant 2.0TFSi Quattro Multitronic (7 speed & similar to DSG)
There's no such thing as a Multitronic Quattro nice colour though Multitronics are only fitted to FWD Audis (and some SEATS).
OP - I had a B7 2.0T Q Tiptronic, definitely look at a B8. More interior space and a lot more modern, the B7 interior is from 2001.
Edited by Maracus on Monday 19th January 19:52
MancDan said:
I have a 2009 B8 A4 Avant 2.0TFSi Quattro Multitronic (7 speed & similar to DSG)
I have only owned it for 4 months, but absolutely love it. It has plenty of pull (must be the Revo re-map) and the quality & spec compared to the B7 I had previously is such a step up.
As for MPG, yes I can achieve 35-38 on a steady motorway run, but constant town driving only gets me around 20mpg.
Just filled up today with Super Unleaded (due to Revo) at a cost of £61 for 55 litres, and I achieved 238 miles for that full tank.
Make sure you get that multitronic oil changed regularly!! You have been warned...I have only owned it for 4 months, but absolutely love it. It has plenty of pull (must be the Revo re-map) and the quality & spec compared to the B7 I had previously is such a step up.
As for MPG, yes I can achieve 35-38 on a steady motorway run, but constant town driving only gets me around 20mpg.
Just filled up today with Super Unleaded (due to Revo) at a cost of £61 for 55 litres, and I achieved 238 miles for that full tank.
lemonslap said:
As your fuel economy is the same as my S4, is there any point in owning the 2.0tfsi?
Probably because it's a different driver on different roads. I'm planning to switch to an S4 from a 2.0 TFSI, and I'm fully expecting my overall MPG to drop from 31 to around 25. Anything better would be a bonus...silentbrown said:
lemonslap said:
As your fuel economy is the same as my S4, is there any point in owning the 2.0tfsi?
Probably because it's a different driver on different roads. I'm planning to switch to an S4 from a 2.0 TFSI, and I'm fully expecting my overall MPG to drop from 31 to around 25. Anything better would be a bonus...Maracus said:
There's no such thing as a Multitronic Quattro nice colour though
Multitronics are only fitted to FWD Audis (and some SEATS).
OP - I had a B7 2.0T Q Tiptronic, definitely look at a B8. More interior space and a lot more modern, the B7 interior is from 2001.
Just going off what the previous owner told me.Multitronics are only fitted to FWD Audis (and some SEATS).
OP - I had a B7 2.0T Q Tiptronic, definitely look at a B8. More interior space and a lot more modern, the B7 interior is from 2001.
Edited by Maracus on Monday 19th January 19:52
Its a 7 speed Auto and its definitely Quattro, also has flappy paddles.
I was told it's very similar to S-Tronic.
MancDan said:
Maracus said:
There's no such thing as a Multitronic Quattro nice colour though
Multitronics are only fitted to FWD Audis (and some SEATS).
OP - I had a B7 2.0T Q Tiptronic, definitely look at a B8. More interior space and a lot more modern, the B7 interior is from 2001.
Just going off what the previous owner told me.Multitronics are only fitted to FWD Audis (and some SEATS).
OP - I had a B7 2.0T Q Tiptronic, definitely look at a B8. More interior space and a lot more modern, the B7 interior is from 2001.
Edited by Maracus on Monday 19th January 19:52
Its a 7 speed Auto and its definitely Quattro, also has flappy paddles.
I was told it's very similar to S-Tronic.
I'd change my B7 for a B8 if they didn't guzzle oil.
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