Alternatives to a full fat Range Rover?

[KPB1973]

As much as I've loved our LR products, the split tailgate on the FFRR we had meant we had to use a ramp (or brute strength) to get our dog in. He just couldn't jump up 'on' to the lower tailgate in the same way he could jump into other boots. It's a minor issue in the big scheme of things but when you have a 35kg muddy labrador who is refusing to cooperate, it does matter somewhat.

Likewise our 2 x D4s.

We currently have a Cayenne S (4.2d) which is lovely but doesn't waft like a RR, even with optional air suspension. That said, I don't drive it with a subconscious fear of something going wrong.

[W12GT]

KPB1973 said:

That said, I don't drive it with a subconscious fear of something going wrong.

I’ve had quite a few Porsches:- 3no 911s, 2no Taycans, Panamera, Macan Turbo, Boxster S etc. Most of them have been very unreliable compared to expectation. The worst being my last Taycan which was brand new. It was atrocious. Can’t see myself buying another Porsche tbh. Very disappointing given I’d spent £100k on it. Personally as a marque I think Porsche are the worst marque I’ve owned (and I’ve has somewhere in excess of 100cars).

LR’s on the other hand have been much more reliable; I’m going to regret saying that I know!

Edited to add - when I say Porsche are probably the worst, I mean from a reliability perspective, they make cracking cars to drive and travel in, I also found that in recent years the dealership after-sales experience is poor. In recent years my favourite dealer experiences are Aston, Volvo and Kia but that’s hugely down to having good relationships with those dealers - very much traditional styles and values.

Edited by W12GT on Wednesday 3rd January 08:28

[skyebear]

Stick Legs said:

Have a read on my experience & make up your own mind.

Can’t think of anything I’d rather own & am still delighted with it.

https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...

Thanks that was a useful read.

[irish boy]

18 reg 4.4’s available for £40k now landrover used approved. That’s good value surely.

[W12GT]

irish boy said:

18 reg 4.4’s available for £40k now landrover used approved. That’s good value surely.

If it’s the one I’m thinking of then it has over 80k on the clock, added to the fact that dealer has a very poor reputation. I’d personally say overpriced by 4-5k.

[bennno]

irish boy said:

18 reg 4.4’s available for £40k now landrover used approved. That’s good value surely.

Or a (all air sus)

- GLE400
- Touraeg Black
- Audi Q8
- BMW X7

[irish boy]

W12GT said:

irish boy said:

18 reg 4.4’s available for £40k now landrover used approved. That’s good value surely.

If it’s the one I’m thinking of then it has over 80k on the clock, added to the fact that dealer has a very poor reputation. I’d personally say overpriced by 4-5k.

54k. £41 odd but 40 with slight negotiation.

[cayman-black]

W12GT said:

irish boy said:

18 reg 4.4’s available for £40k now landrover used approved. That’s good value surely.

If it’s the one I’m thinking of then it has over 80k on the clock, added to the fact that dealer has a very poor reputation. I’d personally say overpriced by 4-5k.

regardless that's a lot of late car for the money.

[LunarOne]

cayman-black said:

W12GT said:

irish boy said:

18 reg 4.4’s available for £40k now landrover used approved. That’s good value surely.

If it’s the one I’m thinking of then it has over 80k on the clock, added to the fact that dealer has a very poor reputation. I’d personally say overpriced by 4-5k.

regardless that's a lot of late car for the money.

You also need to factor in the amount your insurance will pay you when it's inevitably stolen, plus the amount you have to pay to insure it in the first place. I'd love one in principle, but I don't need the aggro and would pick something else.

[skyebear]

LunarOne said:

You also need to factor in the amount your insurance will pay you when it's inevitably stolen, plus the amount you have to pay to insure it in the first place. I'd love one in principle, but I don't need the aggro and would pick something else.

I'm small town, semi-rural so some of the concerns around thefts are mitigated compared to urban areas. However there is still a jump from £500 for the Volvo to £1k for the age/spec of RR I'm looking at. X5/Q7 were coming in around the same for me.

As an aside, when did the UK Gov and Police just accept this industrial-scale thieving of vehicles? Why has the CEO of Land Rover not been hauled into parliament to explain why their cars are so damn easy to steal?

There's a Youtube channel, Automatrics, who do vehicle trackers and record their recovery attempts. Half the time the cops can barely be arsed when they get asked to attend.

[FlyingPanda]

I wish I hadn't started watching this thread. I have found myself drawn towards Autotrader and there look to be some amazing bargains out here. Like a 2021 D300 Westminster with 22,000 miles on it for £53k, that's a deal isn't it?

Will it go wrong? It will, won't it? I promised myself I'd never do this again, but...


https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202305127...

[LunarOne]

skyebear said:

LunarOne said:

You also need to factor in the amount your insurance will pay you when it's inevitably stolen, plus the amount you have to pay to insure it in the first place. I'd love one in principle, but I don't need the aggro and would pick something else.

I'm small town, semi-rural so some of the concerns around thefts are mitigated compared to urban areas. However there is still a jump from £500 for the Volvo to £1k for the age/spec of RR I'm looking at. X5/Q7 were coming in around the same for me.

As an aside, when did the UK Gov and Police just accept this industrial-scale thieving of vehicles? Why has the CEO of Land Rover not been hauled into parliament to explain why their cars are so damn easy to steal?

There's a Youtube channel, Automatrics, who do vehicle trackers and record their recovery attempts. Half the time the cops can barely be arsed when they get asked to attend.

I don't know when it started, but clearly sentences are far too weak to dissuade thieves. We need to see some hands being lopped off.

In the meantime, JLR is obviously worried about being hauled over the coals by prospective buyers, let alone parliament. So they're investing heavily (or not much, depending on your perspective) on beefing up security for new models and older ones susceptible to easy attack.

See https://www.pistonheads.com/news/ph-britishcars/jl...

[Phil.]

FlyingPanda said:

I wish I hadn't started watching this thread. I have found myself drawn towards Autotrader and there look to be some amazing bargains out here. Like a 2021 D300 Westminster with 22,000 miles on it for £53k, that's a deal isn't it?

Will it go wrong? It will, won't it? I promised myself I'd never do this again, but...


https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202305127...

That looks great! Less than half what you’d pay for a new one.

The new LR mild-hybrid diesels are very good. I have the D350 and hit 50mpg on one run this year. You’ll easily get 40mpg on a run with a D300. And it has loads of waftey torque

[NomduJour]

bennno said:

- GLE400
- Touraeg Black
- Audi Q8
- BMW X7

[tescorank]

FlyingPanda said:

i’ve had a similar dilemma to the OP over the years. I loved my Range Rover but it was hideously unreliable and the dealership ‘support’ was very poor.

I really really wish LR could build (and maintain) a better quality product, but people keep buying them so I guess they don’t really need to…

2nd one and loved it, but then throttle body needed to be replaced, waited 18 months backorder.

Got stolen-maybe for parts-trcker found in scrap yard but plod not interested.

Shame loved it but insurance costs-support terrible JLR or Tata killing the product especially in the UK.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=77sP3O91gO0

[turbomoggie]

Imported Toyota land cruiser? Or the Lexus equivalent ( I mean not the land cruiser Prado that is sold by UK dealers but something imported from Japan or the middle east - they have big engines and luxurious interiors)

[bennno]

NomduJour said:

bennno said:

- GLE400
- Touraeg Black
- Audi Q8
- BMW X7

My lads a qualified JLR mechanic, says cars are badly made and the 3.0L diesel is very bad news.

I’ve had them, neighbour has a 3.0L which snapped its crank, it’s a problematic engine sadly, mix in theft and insurance.

Lovely cars, none of the bive quite the same experience, but with fewer challenges.