Igenium oil dilution / early service indicator
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My wife has a Freelander 2 and would like to replace it with DS. I’ve read lots of stories about the ingenium Diesel engines but nevertheless agreed to look at a new D180 Landmark edition. When I asked the salesperson about the oil dilution problems she said she’d never heard of it. Ok, I said; if we buy one and take out a service agreement will it cover the service costs if the light comes on earlier than 12m / 21,000 miles? She scuttled off to ask a colleague and came back with a very forthright response that service earlier than 12m / 21k would be as a result of ‘customer driving styles’ and not covered under the service agreement.
Funny how they’d never heard of the problem yet were very quick to come back with a well rehearsed reply about driving styles.
No thanks, I’m not buying a £40k car to have arguments about servicing costs or potentially wrecked engines. It’s a great shame because the car ticks all the boxes in terms of what it is.
Silly question, can’t they tweak the design of the exhaust / DPF to overcome the problems?
Funny how they’d never heard of the problem yet were very quick to come back with a well rehearsed reply about driving styles.
No thanks, I’m not buying a £40k car to have arguments about servicing costs or potentially wrecked engines. It’s a great shame because the car ticks all the boxes in terms of what it is.
Silly question, can’t they tweak the design of the exhaust / DPF to overcome the problems?
se9boy said:
My wife has a Freelander 2 and would like to replace it with DS. I’ve read lots of stories about the ingenium Diesel engines but nevertheless agreed to look at a new D180 Landmark edition. When I asked the salesperson about the oil dilution problems she said she’d never heard of it. Ok, I said; if we buy one and take out a service agreement will it cover the service costs if the light comes on earlier than 12m / 21,000 miles? She scuttled off to ask a colleague and came back with a very forthright response that service earlier than 12m / 21k would be as a result of ‘customer driving styles’ and not covered under the service agreement.
Funny how they’d never heard of the problem yet were very quick to come back with a well rehearsed reply about driving styles.
No thanks, I’m not buying a £40k car to have arguments about servicing costs or potentially wrecked engines. It’s a great shame because the car ticks all the boxes in terms of what it is.
Silly question, can’t they tweak the design of the exhaust / DPF to overcome the problems?
AKA 'sharp practice"Funny how they’d never heard of the problem yet were very quick to come back with a well rehearsed reply about driving styles.
No thanks, I’m not buying a £40k car to have arguments about servicing costs or potentially wrecked engines. It’s a great shame because the car ticks all the boxes in terms of what it is.
Silly question, can’t they tweak the design of the exhaust / DPF to overcome the problems?
I wonder how many future engine issues there will be on 3 or 5 year old Ingenium engines based on owners not bothering to get them serviced.
There are plenty of LR alternatives - the market is awash with mid sized 4x4s. Judging by what I see on the road VW seems to be selling alot of 4x4s, as do Volvo.
Hi, I've just joined,as we have a 2ltr 65 plate evogue with jlr engine, yes it does short runs but also gets hot, other morning wife says yellow light to warn of dpf, then suddenly red, luckily 2 yrs ago warranty, AAccame out, 65 plate 2ltr common fault, back to dealer, dpf is dead. But every other diesel we have had, same regulations covering emmistions, no problem. Seems s know problem, even dealer admitted that jlr don't know why there is no warning. But conversation with service manager, as this car is built to go off road, yes, and off road you go slowly, yes, this will soot the dpf up, yes, so it's not fit for purpose. Dealer, not technically it's not fit for purpose. So new dpf, but dealer bringing it home. Had an accident, so it's buggered. We currently have a 2.2 evoque as a loner, may keep, totally different emmision limits. What are people's thoughts on 2.2, it's a peoguet engine I believe so should be pretty bullet proof.
Had a 2.2 FL2 2013 model and two Ingenium D180 DS.
We do small miles 5k a year and the 2.2 was not a problem.
The first DS likewise had no engine problems but the current DS asked for a service at 6000 miles.
It all seems pretty hit and miss.
The 2.2 was a noisy but great motor.
Actually, the Freelander was altogether a better built car.
We do small miles 5k a year and the 2.2 was not a problem.
The first DS likewise had no engine problems but the current DS asked for a service at 6000 miles.
It all seems pretty hit and miss.
The 2.2 was a noisy but great motor.
Actually, the Freelander was altogether a better built car.
Wildcat,
I have something that might be called a mix of your vehicles: a DS with a 2.2 engine and as it's a first edition DS it has the same Ford engine as your FL. I've had the car 2 1/2 years and it's about to have it's second MoT. No real issues so far.
From what I've read I'm glad that I have this model with this engine.
As for the DS in general, it's my first SUV and having come from several V8 Jaguars I continue to be impressed by it.
R.
I have something that might be called a mix of your vehicles: a DS with a 2.2 engine and as it's a first edition DS it has the same Ford engine as your FL. I've had the car 2 1/2 years and it's about to have it's second MoT. No real issues so far.
From what I've read I'm glad that I have this model with this engine.
As for the DS in general, it's my first SUV and having come from several V8 Jaguars I continue to be impressed by it.
R.
The DPF has known faults due to it not being close-coupled. The fault causes oil dilution as a minimum but if these cars are used for urban or rural drive cycles it will lead to a blocked DPF. If the DPF can't be force regenerated it has to be replaced. JLR has always known about this and these two documents tell the full story. Applies to Jag E-Pace, LR Disco Sport, RR Evoque.
JLRP00100 - https://www.discosportforums.co.uk/download/file.p...
Dealer Letter - https://www.discosportforums.co.uk/download/file.p...
JLRP00100 - https://www.discosportforums.co.uk/download/file.p...
Dealer Letter - https://www.discosportforums.co.uk/download/file.p...
General guide to causes of JLR D8 diesel dilution and DPF blockage problems.
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