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Don't see the point in immobilisers. They either smash the car up in frustration, or come back to you and smash you up trying to get it deactivated.
Either way, a stolen and gone car is preferable than a stolen recovered but heavily damaged.
Tracker is reasonably useful, but going beyond that, why bother?
Either way, a stolen and gone car is preferable than a stolen recovered but heavily damaged.
Tracker is reasonably useful, but going beyond that, why bother?
SmithCorona said:
Don't see the point in immobilisers. They either smash the car up in frustration, or come back to you and smash you up trying to get it deactivated.
Either way, a stolen and gone car is preferable than a stolen recovered but heavily damaged.
Tracker is reasonably useful, but going beyond that, why bother?
Do you have any experience of thieves ‘either smash the car up in frustration, or come back to you and smash you up“? It’s not something I’ve come across where I live. Either way, a stolen and gone car is preferable than a stolen recovered but heavily damaged.
Tracker is reasonably useful, but going beyond that, why bother?
I often leave mine for a month or more while abroad and prefer to maximise the likelihood that it’s where I left it on return.
EdJ said:
Have to say, given the economic environment, I'm starting to wonder whether taking delivery of a brand new Range Rover is the right choice.
That experience at the motorway petrol station is just the sort of thing I'd imagine seeing / hearing more of.
Interesting that you were offered a Defender V8 - I understood that they were selling way above list. As well as my L405 P400e, I have a Defender 90 D300 X and it's a superb car.
I am not sure there will be more thieves, I doubt the average person who struggles with a gas bill will turn to nicking cars. That experience at the motorway petrol station is just the sort of thing I'd imagine seeing / hearing more of.
Interesting that you were offered a Defender V8 - I understood that they were selling way above list. As well as my L405 P400e, I have a Defender 90 D300 X and it's a superb car.
No, where I live I don't have to worry about my Range Rover being stolen.
If a gang is organised enough to steal your car, but then it is immobilised on the drive, or just down the road what makes you think they wouldn't take their frustration out on the vehicle, or the owner.
I cannot be convinced of the point of an immobiliser, this is what insurance is for.
If a gang is organised enough to steal your car, but then it is immobilised on the drive, or just down the road what makes you think they wouldn't take their frustration out on the vehicle, or the owner.
I cannot be convinced of the point of an immobiliser, this is what insurance is for.
SmithCorona said:
I cannot be convinced of the point of an immobiliser, this is what insurance is for.
I think I agree with this.I must add though that unless JLR get a grip on this – they will become un-insurable (or so expensive to insure people will not buy them)
A friend of mine had the rear hatch of her Velar opened like a can last week so they could get to wires (presumably to short it out) but didn’t manage to actually nick it – so she is left with thousands of pounds of damage and no car to use. This would have happened irrespective of immobiliser.
SmithCorona said:
Don't see the point in immobilisers. They either smash the car up in frustration, or come back to you and smash you up trying to get it deactivated.
Either way, a stolen and gone car is preferable than a stolen recovered but heavily damaged.
Tracker is reasonably useful, but going beyond that, why bother?
Immobilisers are fitted more or less as standard to most new cars so we don't have a choice in it.Either way, a stolen and gone car is preferable than a stolen recovered but heavily damaged.
Tracker is reasonably useful, but going beyond that, why bother?
However, I do not have trackers etc fitted and I don't go beyond the factory fitted stuff.
Never had a car stolen before, but I do know that if I did I sure as hell don't want it back.
As you say, that is what insurance is for.
I collect a first edition tomoz, and they were giving me the hard sell on their own subscription security product, to which I politely declined, along with the £399 autoglym polish pack and other stuff I had no interest in.
Wheelspinning said:
I collect a first edition tomoz, and they were giving me the hard sell on their own subscription security product.
Enjoy your car, congratulations. I found the Cat 5? JLR activation took a similar amount off my insurance to its cost, though wasn't needed for the policy. As such I have had it on both my L405s, but never needed it.
They did ring me twice to say it was stolen though, once when it was in the garage that I put it in most nights. And the other time when I was in the channel tunnel, having driven around Europe for weeks. So God knows how their algorithm works!
I have been a big defender of RR reliability during my 25 years experience with various JLR cars.
To give a balanced perspective my new (now 2500 mile) FFRR has had a few teething problems:
1.As already posted on this thread – coolant hose not connected upon delivery.
2. One of the rear seats will not lower - this to me is not important and can wait until first service
3. More worryingly. We kept smelling exhaust fumes while driving. We ignored the smell, thinking it was external pollution (or the remaining coolant from item 1 burning off) and just used the air recirculation button.
Last week this suddenly got worse and smoke was seen and from the engine compartment!!. Land rover assist on the second attempt found an engine sensor was not screwed in!!!
Thankfully this ended up being a non-issue, but that is not really very satisfactory.
To give a balanced perspective my new (now 2500 mile) FFRR has had a few teething problems:
1.As already posted on this thread – coolant hose not connected upon delivery.
2. One of the rear seats will not lower - this to me is not important and can wait until first service
3. More worryingly. We kept smelling exhaust fumes while driving. We ignored the smell, thinking it was external pollution (or the remaining coolant from item 1 burning off) and just used the air recirculation button.
Last week this suddenly got worse and smoke was seen and from the engine compartment!!. Land rover assist on the second attempt found an engine sensor was not screwed in!!!
Thankfully this ended up being a non-issue, but that is not really very satisfactory.
SmithCorona said:
Wheelspinning said:
I collect a first edition tomoz, and they were giving me the hard sell on their own subscription security product.
Enjoy your car, congratulations. I found the Cat 5? JLR activation took a similar amount off my insurance to its cost, though wasn't needed for the policy. As such I have had it on both my L405s, but never needed it.
They did ring me twice to say it was stolen though, once when it was in the garage that I put it in most nights. And the other time when I was in the channel tunnel, having driven around Europe for weeks. So God knows how their algorithm works!
Its actually a Range Rover Sport 510e first edition I collect tomorrow, as its big brother L460 Autobiography order has been delayed from August to perhaps March now...they very kindly offered me one of the new Sports as an apology, and then very nicely changed it from a P400 Dynamic SE to this plug in hybrid that very unexpectedly turned up this week.
Its a 440e Autobiography that I am waiting on, so at least I get to sample the Sport with the more powerfully plug in hybrid first.
SmithCorona said:
They did ring me twice to say it was stolen though, once when it was in the garage that I put it in most nights. And the other time when I was in the channel tunnel, having driven around Europe for weeks. So God knows how their algorithm works!
The Channel Tunnel alert is simple to explain. Your vehicle engine is switched off but it is moving. This suggests it may be on the back of a low loader. They don’t check whether you are entering the channel tunnel before issuing the alert. Wheelspinning said:
SmithCorona said:
Don't see the point in immobilisers. They either smash the car up in frustration, or come back to you and smash you up trying to get it deactivated.
Either way, a stolen and gone car is preferable than a stolen recovered but heavily damaged.
Tracker is reasonably useful, but going beyond that, why bother?
Immobilisers are fitted more or less as standard to most new cars so we don't have a choice in it.Either way, a stolen and gone car is preferable than a stolen recovered but heavily damaged.
Tracker is reasonably useful, but going beyond that, why bother?
However, I do not have trackers etc fitted and I don't go beyond the factory fitted stuff.
Never had a car stolen before, but I do know that if I did I sure as hell don't want it back.
As you say, that is what insurance is for.
I collect a first edition tomoz, and they were giving me the hard sell on their own subscription security product, to which I politely declined, along with the £399 autoglym polish pack and other stuff I had no interest in.
Caddyshack said:
Wheelspinning said:
SmithCorona said:
Don't see the point in immobilisers. They either smash the car up in frustration, or come back to you and smash you up trying to get it deactivated.
Either way, a stolen and gone car is preferable than a stolen recovered but heavily damaged.
Tracker is reasonably useful, but going beyond that, why bother?
Immobilisers are fitted more or less as standard to most new cars so we don't have a choice in it.Either way, a stolen and gone car is preferable than a stolen recovered but heavily damaged.
Tracker is reasonably useful, but going beyond that, why bother?
However, I do not have trackers etc fitted and I don't go beyond the factory fitted stuff.
Never had a car stolen before, but I do know that if I did I sure as hell don't want it back.
As you say, that is what insurance is for.
I collect a first edition tomoz, and they were giving me the hard sell on their own subscription security product, to which I politely declined, along with the £399 autoglym polish pack and other stuff I had no interest in.
It will have a stolen / recovered marker on it even if not recorded as a total loss.
I have had a car repaired from an RTC before and it was not the same as before; glitches; a repair that flagged my ocd etc.
Prob a lot more reasons if I thought more about it.
At the price paid, no, I have no interest in recovery.
Fair play if you have a different view.
SmithCorona said:
Wheelspinning said:
Thanks
Its actually a Range Rover Sport 510e first edition I collect tomorrow.
I bet that will shift. And by the time March comes along I'm sure you will have worn the tyres in quite nicely! Its actually a Range Rover Sport 510e first edition I collect tomorrow.
Its replacing a 560bhp 4x4 so the 510bhp should be just fine.
Might make the 440e in the bigger brother seem a bit lethargic when it arrives though.
Roll on 10.30am!
Caddyshack said:
I am not sure there will be more thieves, I doubt the average person who struggles with a gas bill will turn to nicking cars.
I'm not talking about the average person. My point was, I suspect crime tends to rise during times of economic hardship, and driving around in a new £140k car might make you more of a target than otherwise. Wheelspinning said:
Most of the cop show programs show how a vehicle is driven when stolen, and even more so if in pursuit.
It will have a stolen / recovered marker on it even if not recorded as a total loss.
I have had a car repaired from an RTC before and it was not the same as before; glitches; a repair that flagged my ocd etc.
Prob a lot more reasons if I thought more about it.
At the price paid, no, I have no interest in recovery.
Fair play if you have a different view.
The trouble with a complete loss is that future insurance premiums will jump sharply. Even if you don't want to drive the car again after it has been stolen, from that perspective, you're better off recovering it and then selling it, than not recovering it at all. It will have a stolen / recovered marker on it even if not recorded as a total loss.
I have had a car repaired from an RTC before and it was not the same as before; glitches; a repair that flagged my ocd etc.
Prob a lot more reasons if I thought more about it.
At the price paid, no, I have no interest in recovery.
Fair play if you have a different view.
bigblock said:
I took delivery of my P530 LWB Autobiography a couple of weeks ago. LR flew me down to Birmingham for their Handover Experience at Solihull which I thoroughly enjoyed, off road driving, factory tour, lovely lunch and very glitzy new car reveal which I won't go into detail about and spoil it for any new owners yet to experience it.
As mentioned previously I was aware the the new RR is a very stolen item but I had not given it much thought. In the evening as I was making the long drive home from collecting my car I pulled into motorway services on the M6. As I returned from the toilets I noticed a group of three men approach my parked car from a nearby van walk around it and then get back in the van. I got into my car and drove round to the petrol station and as I was filling the car the same van pulled up at the adjacent petrol pump and two of the men got out but did not attempt to put fuel in their van and for want of a better description looked very shady. I locked the car with the fob in my pocket, stopped filling up and quickly walked into the petrol station. I waited for quite some time until eventually the men got back in the van and drove off.
I am not a nervous person and there might be a perfectly logical explanation but the whole thing made me feel very uneasy and quite vulnerable. Not sure a petrol station forecourt is the best place to carjack someone but I certainly felt is was about to happen to me.
Anyway the new RR is a fantastic car and I am very happy with it but unfortunately I think its probably a bit more 'in your face' than I had realised. So I have decided to take advantage of the current inflated price on the used market and sell it back to the LR dealer. Their current offer is £15k profit plus £5k off a 6 month old Defender 90 V8. I think I will take the deal but probably regret it and then have to join the two year que for another Range Rover!!
Loving the balmoral spec with no privacy As mentioned previously I was aware the the new RR is a very stolen item but I had not given it much thought. In the evening as I was making the long drive home from collecting my car I pulled into motorway services on the M6. As I returned from the toilets I noticed a group of three men approach my parked car from a nearby van walk around it and then get back in the van. I got into my car and drove round to the petrol station and as I was filling the car the same van pulled up at the adjacent petrol pump and two of the men got out but did not attempt to put fuel in their van and for want of a better description looked very shady. I locked the car with the fob in my pocket, stopped filling up and quickly walked into the petrol station. I waited for quite some time until eventually the men got back in the van and drove off.
I am not a nervous person and there might be a perfectly logical explanation but the whole thing made me feel very uneasy and quite vulnerable. Not sure a petrol station forecourt is the best place to carjack someone but I certainly felt is was about to happen to me.
Anyway the new RR is a fantastic car and I am very happy with it but unfortunately I think its probably a bit more 'in your face' than I had realised. So I have decided to take advantage of the current inflated price on the used market and sell it back to the LR dealer. Their current offer is £15k profit plus £5k off a 6 month old Defender 90 V8. I think I will take the deal but probably regret it and then have to join the two year que for another Range Rover!!
Edited by bigblock on Wednesday 19th October 01:51
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