New FFRR

[Wheelspinning]

C Lee Farquar said:

Phil. said:

My dealer just quoted 2 years plus for the delivery of a new RR. Luckily mine is awaiting release from the factory anytime now. I am considering putting another RR order in soon on the off chance the depreciation is low over the next 2 years. Nothing to lose really as the deposit is refundable.

Do you think placing a deposit now leaves you with little leverage on price and spec, going forward? Or can you re-discuss price nearer delivery?

I feel with the value of L405s dropping quite quickly now, impending recession, finance costs rising and new specs falling that there could be a significant drop in demand? It could change from a seller's market to buyer's quite swiftly.

Even if paying cash I guess you're not going to want to feel you've been bent over?

And, yes, it is cold and uncomfortable sat on the fence

As Phil alluded to, the deposit is £1000 and fully refundable, so not exactly a risk.

On launch, it was announced a change of direction and RR and RRS production levels were being reduced for the new models to retain demand and retain prices, so along with the current component supply issues, there is a good chance of these holding onto their value.

Your right though, things could change over night.

I always said I would never have a RR due to bad press, but glad I rolled the dice as its been a fantastic introduction to them so far.

[Phil.]

C Lee Farquar said:

Do you think placing a deposit now leaves you with little leverage on price and spec, going forward? Or can you re-discuss price nearer delivery?

I feel with the value of L405s dropping quite quickly now, impending recession, finance costs rising and new specs falling that there could be a significant drop in demand? It could change from a seller's market to buyer's quite swiftly.

Even if paying cash I guess you're not going to want to feel you've been bent over?

And, yes, it is cold and uncomfortable sat on the fence

As Wheelspinning has clarified, there’s no risk placing a deposit and pulling out if circumstances change.

I got stung with a £5k price increase on mine a couple of months ago but the dealer is being very fair valuing my PX. For me though it’s the cost to change rather than the price per se. If the one I take delivery of soon holds its value well by the time the next one is ready then it makes sense to swap, if not I’ll keep it until 3 years.

My biggest problem is how to spec another one when I’ve already spec’d a nice one

[AstonZagato]

I was chatting to a friend who has just got his. He had to sign a statement that he wouldn’t sell it within 12 months. He was told by the dealer that the factory checks your address and monitors if it lives there (obvious bolleaux).

[Wheelspinning]

AstonZagato said:

I was chatting to a friend who has just got his. He had to sign a statement that he wouldn’t sell it within 12 months. He was told by the dealer that the factory checks your address and monitors if it lives there (obvious bolleaux).

My dealer has taken possession of a special RR that had been handed over to the owner 3 weeks previously whom then advertised it at a garage SOR on Autotrader for £45k overs.

They verified it was the same car by calling the dealer on the pretense of being a punter and asking for the numberplate so they could get a finance quote.

As the car was on on a RR finance deal and he had signed the disclaimer and in breach of contract, the finance deal was removed and the car had to be returned with 900 miles on it.

The dealer now has the car currently advertised at £35k overs.

I was in having a look at it before it's collection as its the same colour as I have ordered, and was then surprised to again see it in the handover bay 3 weeks later when they had received it back.

They wouldn't give me the full guts of the story, but I genuinely didn't think this agreement is enforceable; I'm guessing the important bit was the RR finance in this case.

[Familymad]

They want their cake and then want their cake some more.

[Phil.]

I’ve been asked to sign a due diligence form that allows LR to search Google and Companies House for my details. The title of the form is ‘’Due diligence for elimination of unauthorised resellers, exporters & modifiers’’. It says nothing about restrictive practices though.

[Familymad]

I don’t get why they are so uptight about it. You buy the car and it’s yours. If you choose to sell for a profit as it’s a free world.

[NomduJour]

Familymad said:

If you choose to sell for a profit as it’s a free world.

Not if you’ve signed an agreement confirming that you won’t.

[Caddyshack]

Familymad said:

I don’t get why they are so uptight about it. You buy the car and it’s yours. If you choose to sell for a profit as it’s a free world.

And it’s pretty good, free, marketing to make other people order one.

[erics]

Phil. said:

Presently P/Xing but depends on their offer and the state of the market. When I ordered they provided a good valuation but the L405 is a year older with a few more miles. I sold a M5 Comp to a BMW dealer recently and emailed a few. They were bidding against each other in the end. I will do this if the supplying RR dealer low balls me.

Mine’s a pretty immaculate MY19 SDV8 4.4 SE in black with around 15k miles presently. If you’re interested in a conversation at any point before Jan, let me know.

Hi Phil. I pm'd you.

Cheers

[Phil.]

erics said:

Phil. said:

Presently P/Xing but depends on their offer and the state of the market. When I ordered they provided a good valuation but the L405 is a year older with a few more miles. I sold a M5 Comp to a BMW dealer recently and emailed a few. They were bidding against each other in the end. I will do this if the supplying RR dealer low balls me.

Mine’s a pretty immaculate MY19 SDV8 4.4 SE in black with around 15k miles presently. If you’re interested in a conversation at any point before Jan, let me know.

Hi Phil. I pm'd you.

Cheers

I’ve replied.

[Wheelspinning]

My dealer very kindly called on Wednesday to say they have taken delivery of their RR 510e SV demo and offered it to us for 3 days so I could compare it to the RR Sport 510e launch edition we have.

Initial impression are that although very impressed, its not a quantum leap from the Sport; the new Sport is a truly fantastic bit of kit and they are very similar in most aspects.

As they don't offer the 510e version in LWB, its the normal size and feels only marginally roomier inside than the sport.

The range on full charge is exactly the same as the sport, so with it currently being below zero here and using heated seats, steering wheel and windscreen along with usual stuff, full charge is giving around 68miles.

The car was unfortunately given to me just above fuel warning level, and then discovered that the EV mode doesn't seem to come on when the fuel required light comes on. Tried numerous times but it only engaged and stayed in that mode once fuelled.

I don't know if the SV has different suspension, but I feel more thuds than in our Sport or the previous RR Autobiography demo we were given a few months back; I have had a play with all the settings putting them from dynamic to comfort but no real change.

It is extremely quite inside with the noise cancelling, but again only a small margin better than the sport.

The rear reclining seats, cushions and folding centre console are a huge hit with the kids; especially as they could set the heat and whatever massage settings they fancied.

All in all, I cannot recommend the plug in hybrids enough. We have a 440e Autobiography coming at some point, so shall be interesting to see if the 70bhp is noticeable.

Thing is, the RR Sport is every bit as good as its big brother; we shall definitely miss it when the RR arrives.

On a footnote, where the RR sport Launch Edition was a great model to pay a premium for, I am satisfied that I went for the Autobiography rather than the SV for our RR; I feel that although cheaper, its the better model of the two.

[Phil.]

Very interesting comparison.

Out of interest what fuel economy are you getting on the sport when running on the engine only. My new FFRR delivery has been delayed to early Jan and given the delivery times I’m going to spec another one when I receive it. My new one is the D350 but considering a hybrid next time. However, I mainly use the RR for longer journeys, hence the query.

[Wheelspinning]

Phil. said:

Very interesting comparison.

Out of interest what fuel economy are you getting on the sport when running on the engine only. My new FFRR delivery has been delayed to early Jan and given the delivery times I’m going to spec another one when I receive it. My new one is the D350 but considering a hybrid next time. However, I mainly use the RR for longer journeys, hence the query.

We have done maybe 1100 miles in the sport and still not used any petrol so I cannot give you a informative answer unfortunately.

The dashboard shows 134mpg but it will be basing it on how much we have used EV mode.

We still don't have any info on our 440e ordered in Feb, but the original order made in Oct 21 for diesel Autobiography has confirmed build date 3rd week March.

What I will say, is that this was my first dabble into any form of electric and wasn't convinced prior to delivery, however, I have told my dealer that I shall put a deposit on the full electric Range Rover as soon as they announce it.

It genuinely is a game changer.

[Mikebentley]

Wheelspin : How much does it cost at current rates to charge it? Curious how using electricity as a fuel compares to the fuel consumption on petrol.

This is a genuine question as I have a New Defender diesel and will likely get the new RRS at some point down the road.

[Wheelspinning]

Mikebentley said:

Wheelspin : How much does it cost at current rates to charge it? Curious how using electricity as a fuel compares to the fuel consumption on petrol.

This is a genuine question as I have a New Defender diesel and will likely get the new RRS at some point down the road.

Truthfully; no idea.

I don't have a smart meter and I have no idea what we pay per unit etc.

[Mikebentley]

Wheelspinning said:

Mikebentley said:

Wheelspin : How much does it cost at current rates to charge it? Curious how using electricity as a fuel compares to the fuel consumption on petrol.

This is a genuine question as I have a New Defender diesel and will likely get the new RRS at some point down the road.

Truthfully; no idea.

I don't have a smart meter and I have no idea what we pay per unit etc.

Thanks for the answer. It’s just a strange one with me. I just put £100 of diesel in the Defender today. A little over 3/4 tank. I know having the heated seats etc on will adversely affect fuel consumption but I have a good idea how long it might last. What would annoy me is putting in £100 worth of electricity and then only getting say 65% of the expected range for that outlay because it is cold or raining outside.

I feel the figures quoted for these new plug in RR and RRS give a best of both worlds outcome.

[ChocolateFrog]

Mikebentley said:

Wheelspin : How much does it cost at current rates to charge it? Curious how using electricity as a fuel compares to the fuel consumption on petrol.

This is a genuine question as I have a New Defender diesel and will likely get the new RRS at some point down the road.

If it does 2 miles per kwh then that's around 18p per mile on standard rate and assuming charging isn't 100% efficient.

What's that in Diesel? About 40mpg.

[Phil.]

I’ve compared the P440e PHEV and the D350 MHEV, here are some of the significant (for me) differences and a few questions.

Firstly the P440e is around 300kg heavier and has 620Nm of torque versus 700NM for the D350. It’s not stated whether this torque figure is combined, electric only or petrol only.

The P400 MHEV has 400Nm of torque. Does P440e on petrol only have a similar torque figure?

The combined mpg for the P440e means nothing in reality (353 mpg). What is the mpg figure for a long journey? As a comparison the P400 combined mpg is around 20% less than the D350.

I’m sure on electric only the P440e has plenty of torque and reasonable mpg equivalent. But what are the figures when running on petrol?

https://www.landrover.co.uk/Images/Range-Rover-WLT...

[2ono]

Phil. said:

I’ve compared the P440e PHEV and the D350 MHEV, here are some of the significant (for me) differences and a few questions.

Firstly the P440e is around 300kg heavier and has 620Nm of torque versus 700NM for the D350. It’s not stated whether this torque figure is combined, electric only or petrol only.

The P400 MHEV has 400Nm of torque. Does P440e on petrol only have a similar torque figure?

The combined mpg for the P440e means nothing in reality (353 mpg). What is the mpg figure for a long journey? As a comparison the P400 combined mpg is around 20% less than the D350.

I’m sure on electric only the P440e has plenty of torque and reasonable mpg equivalent. But what are the figures when running on petrol?

https://www.landrover.co.uk/Images/Range-Rover-WLT...

I think the reason people are choosing the hybrid over the diesel is purely dependant on the type of journeys they do, I've ordered a P440e because most of our journeys are short, 15 miles or less, so for us it will be mostly used on all electric , with the occasional long journey, greater than 200 miles.