Range Rovers becoming uninsurable in London?

[youngsyr]

NomduJour said:

Run us through the magic Porsche security systems, then.

(Edit - not sure drive-away locking is one of them).

It's not drive away locking, they all have this. In addition the passenger door will remain locked in certain scenarios even if you unlock the driver's door.

[NomduJour]

Think you need to read a bit more about modern car security.

[youngsyr]

NomduJour said:

Think you need to read a bit more about modern car security.

I wasn't talking about modern cars, I made it very clear that this was on older 911s from 1999 to 2008.

I think you need to back up some of your claims, this is the third time I've asked.

[NomduJour]

Facts aren’t claims. Porsches do not have extra-special N-rated security systems. They still get stolen, using the same methods as everything else.

[djc206]

Because this is PH where speed matters and anecdote pluralises to evidence here is a link clicky to a recent forum post about a Porsche being nicked, according to mateys Porsche contact they’re far from immune. It shouldn’t be surprising, worth a fair amount and as we’ve discussed at length the police have all but given up on car theft so it’s low risk.

[youngsyr]

NomduJour said:

Facts aren’t claims. Porsches do not have extra-special N-rated security systems. They still get stolen, using the same methods as everything else.

I'll ask again, got a source for your claims?

Fourth time.

[youngsyr]

djc206 said:

Because this is PH where speed matters and anecdote pluralises to evidence here is a link clicky to a recent forum post about a Porsche being nicked, according to mateys Porsche contact they’re far from immune. It shouldn’t be surprising, worth a fair amount and as we’ve discussed at length the police have all but given up on car theft so it’s low risk.

Note what the owner said further down the thread: "They seemed to get in and spent an hour in the car, leaving a couple of times.".

Does that sound to you like the usual method for stealing a RR?

I've never claimed they're unstealable, just that they have additional security features over a lot of other cars IME and are not "stolen just like every other car".

[swisstoni]

It’s been a while but I think my L406 had 2 batteries.
A starter battery and a systems battery. Could you not have a remote disconnect device fitted to the starter battery?

So that the thieves could do all their clever stuff getting into the car and everything looks normal but it ain’t going anywhere

[djc206]

youngsyr said:

Note what the owner said further down the thread: "They seemed to get in and spent an hour in the car, leaving a couple of times.".

Does that sound to you like the usual method for stealing a RR?

I've never claimed they're unstealable, just that they have additional security features over a lot of other cars IME and are not "stolen just like every other car".

Well by definition if they’re not unstealable they are stolen just like every other car in a sense. The last bit doesn’t necessarily relate to method of theft just that theft happens which kinda goes without saying.

The Macan forum has some posts about cars going missing very quickly and the trackers being disabled. Where there’s a will and all that jazz.

[NomduJour]

youngsyr said:

I'll ask again, got a source for your claims?

Fourth time

Again, facts aren’t claims.

Porsches have no special security systems that other cars don’t. They are stolen using the same methods as everything else with similar security - in fact, not so long ago, Thatcham’s testing rated the (superior, special, Porsche) Macan’s security as “poor”:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-47655330.amp

[youngsyr]

NomduJour said:

youngsyr said:

I'll ask again, got a source for your claims?

Fourth time

Again, facts aren’t claims.

Porsches have no special security systems that other cars don’t. They are stolen using the same methods as everything else with similar security - in fact, not so long ago, Thatcham’s testing rated the (superior, special, Porsche) Macan’s security as “poor”:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-47655330.amp

That claim is demonstrably false.

I've posted 3 security systems above that older Porsches have that other cars don't.

[youngsyr]

And then there's this:

https://www.honestjohn.co.uk/crime/porsche

And then there's the relatively lower insurance premiums compared to Range Rovers.

But yes, they're stolen "just like any other car".

[djc206]

youngsyr said:

And then there's this:

https://www.honestjohn.co.uk/crime/porsche

And then there's the relatively lower insurance premiums compared to Range Rovers.

But yes, they're stolen "just like any other car".

I found that data myself but didn’t post it because I think it’s about a decade old. It doesn’t really support your point because the same dataset has Jaguar with a lower theft rate than Porsche….

[Phil.]

What’s this got to do with insuring Range Rovers in London or elsewhere for that matter?

I don’t give a toss if your 2008 Porsche is difficult to steal or not

Now back to Range Rovers please and definitely no mention of Audi’s

[LooneyTunes]

youngsyr said:

NomduJour said:

youngsyr said:

I'll ask again, got a source for your claims?

Fourth time

Again, facts aren’t claims.

Porsches have no special security systems that other cars don’t. They are stolen using the same methods as everything else with similar security - in fact, not so long ago, Thatcham’s testing rated the (superior, special, Porsche) Macan’s security as “poor”:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-47655330.amp

That claim is demonstrably false.

I've posted 3 security systems above that older Porsches have that other cars don't.

The passenger door locking thing isn’t uncommon. MrsLTs Mini has it, and I’ve seen it elsewhere too.

Alarm going off if you disconnect the battery has been around for ages as well. JLR have done it for ages on the previous Defender.

[youngsyr]

LooneyTunes said:

youngsyr said:

NomduJour said:

youngsyr said:

I'll ask again, got a source for your claims?

Fourth time

Again, facts aren’t claims.

Porsches have no special security systems that other cars don’t. They are stolen using the same methods as everything else with similar security - in fact, not so long ago, Thatcham’s testing rated the (superior, special, Porsche) Macan’s security as “poor”:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-47655330.amp

That claim is demonstrably false.

I've posted 3 security systems above that older Porsches have that other cars don't.

The passenger door locking thing isn’t uncommon. MrsLTs Mini has it, and I’ve seen it elsewhere too.

Alarm going off if you disconnect the battery has been around for ages as well. JLR have done it for ages on the previous Defender.

Did they do it on 1999 models?

[megenzo]

I just tried the LR insurance quote thing, rural Cheshire, impeccable driving record, mid 50s, use the car for work, 1 named driver with an impeccable record and it couldn't give me a quote.

My current insurer just gave me a renewal of a 100% increase, just over £1k total so the £500 extra is annoying but only a tenner a week extra.

[Phil.]

megenzo said:

I just tried the LR insurance quote thing, rural Cheshire, impeccable driving record, mid 50s, use the car for work, 1 named driver with an impeccable record and it couldn't give me a quote.

My current insurer just gave me a renewal of a 100% increase, just over £1k total so the £500 extra is annoying but only a tenner a week extra.

I remember paying c.£1k pa for RR insurance then the price dropped probably due to age/circumstances, then Covid and it seemed to halve in price to under £500. Perhaps we’re going back to how it was a few years ago?

[LooneyTunes]

youngsyr said:

LooneyTunes said:

youngsyr said:

NomduJour said:

youngsyr said:

I'll ask again, got a source for your claims?

Fourth time

Again, facts aren’t claims.

Porsches have no special security systems that other cars don’t. They are stolen using the same methods as everything else with similar security - in fact, not so long ago, Thatcham’s testing rated the (superior, special, Porsche) Macan’s security as “poor”:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-47655330.amp

That claim is demonstrably false.

I've posted 3 security systems above that older Porsches have that other cars don't.

The passenger door locking thing isn’t uncommon. MrsLTs Mini has it, and I’ve seen it elsewhere too.

Alarm going off if you disconnect the battery has been around for ages as well. JLR have done it for ages on the previous Defender.

Did they do it on 1999 models?

Probably. The BBUS has been on Defenders for ages, back at least as far as the TD5. Dare say you can google it if you want.

Don’t see what difference it makes as you seemed to be saying that other cars don’t have those features today, not back in 1999?

[MarcelM6]

Just got my renewal notice through - 2014 L405, home counties (central Hertfordshire), over 50, lots of NCD etc

Renewal was a 10% increase (no I haven't left a 0 out)

I did shop around and actually got a cheaper deal elsewhere so my insurance will be 12% lower than last year.