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skwdenyer

16,814 posts

242 months

Wednesday 10th May 2023
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clockworks said:
Apart from a minor dip for 3 weeks in April, and putting my prices up a bit closer to the trade average, I just keep getting busier and busier. The price increase was partially an attempt to get some refusals. Didn't work.

The 3 week dip was actually welcome, as I've been able to clear some of the backlog. Turnaround time was getting close to 3 months, back down to 8 weeks now. Pre-covid, it was 4 weeks.

My problem now is that I'm getting over-run with longcase (grandfather) clocks, and I can only have 5 on test at any time. Got plenty of space for mantel and wall clocks, but only room for 5 longcase test stands. 3 years ago, I only needed 2 test stands.
Good to hear. Decades ago, I visited a cottage formerly lived in by one of the important painters of faces on (now) Cumbrian long-case clocks. His 17th century cottage had a special dug-out section of floor, so that he could assemble and test each clock - otherwise the ceilings were too low!

Digga

40,521 posts

285 months

Wednesday 10th May 2023
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President Merkin said:
Despite being at it for an entire career, I have no idea what any of that means. Sorry.
If you want to send little boxes/bags/parcles up to 25kgs, you have a fair choice.

If you want to shift pallets 80kgs and up, you also have a decent selection who actually do the job.

If you want to move stuff of in-between size and weight - roughly 25kg to 80kgs - there is merely Hobson's choice. An effective cartel.

skwdenyer

16,814 posts

242 months

Wednesday 10th May 2023
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Digga said:
President Merkin said:
Despite being at it for an entire career, I have no idea what any of that means. Sorry.
If you want to send little boxes/bags/parcles up to 25kgs, you have a fair choice.

If you want to shift pallets 80kgs and up, you also have a decent selection who actually do the job.

If you want to move stuff of in-between size and weight - roughly 25kg to 80kgs - there is merely Hobson's choice. An effective cartel.
Interesting. I frequently shift in-between, but usually in multiple cartons. Who are the players in the middle? I've received such items through Tuffnells and DX. Is that it?

clockworks

5,461 posts

147 months

Wednesday 10th May 2023
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skwdenyer said:
Good to hear. Decades ago, I visited a cottage formerly lived in by one of the important painters of faces on (now) Cumbrian long-case clocks. His 17th century cottage had a special dug-out section of floor, so that he could assemble and test each clock - otherwise the ceilings were too low!
A novel solution!

Louis Balfour

26,619 posts

224 months

Wednesday 10th May 2023
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clockworks said:
skwdenyer said:
Good to hear. Decades ago, I visited a cottage formerly lived in by one of the important painters of faces on (now) Cumbrian long-case clocks. His 17th century cottage had a special dug-out section of floor, so that he could assemble and test each clock - otherwise the ceilings were too low!
A novel solution!
O/T - how accurate are long case clocks typically? I ask because I have a Scottish one (1812 ish) that is running at a daily rate of 0. Had it 15 years or so and the only time I change the time is spring and autumn. Is this unsual?

GlenMH

5,222 posts

245 months

Wednesday 10th May 2023
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clockworks said:
Apart from a minor dip for 3 weeks in April, and putting my prices up a bit closer to the trade average, I just keep getting busier and busier. The price increase was partially an attempt to get some refusals. Didn't work.

The 3 week dip was actually welcome, as I've been able to clear some of the backlog. Turnaround time was getting close to 3 months, back down to 8 weeks now. Pre-covid, it was 4 weeks.

My problem now is that I'm getting over-run with longcase (grandfather) clocks, and I can only have 5 on test at any time. Got plenty of space for mantel and wall clocks, but only room for 5 longcase test stands. 3 years ago, I only needed 2 test stands.
Sounds like another price rise is due! And perhaps a supplement for long case clocks...
It doesn't seem to me that you have found the upper limit yet.

clockworks

5,461 posts

147 months

Wednesday 10th May 2023
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Louis Balfour said:
O/T - how accurate are long case clocks typically? I ask because I have a Scottish one (1812 ish) that is running at a daily rate of 0. Had it 15 years or so and the only time I change the time is spring and autumn. Is this unsual?
I aim to get them running to within 30 seconds a week while they are on test. With patience, a few seconds a week is possible if the clock is in good condition, and in a stable environment.

Getting one that keeps perfect time for several months is very good going. Steel pendulum rods expand and contract with temperature, affecting the rate. The clock will also stop ticking while it's being wound, and will often actually run backwards (unless it's fitted with maintaining power - unusual in a longcase).

Basically, a longcase clock is one step down from chronometer accuracy as standard, but there are always exceptions.

Digga

40,521 posts

285 months

Wednesday 10th May 2023
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clockworks said:
skwdenyer said:
Good to hear. Decades ago, I visited a cottage formerly lived in by one of the important painters of faces on (now) Cumbrian long-case clocks. His 17th century cottage had a special dug-out section of floor, so that he could assemble and test each clock - otherwise the ceilings were too low!
A novel solution!
Which is utterly useless for single items of the weight I described.

DX Tuffnells, TNT…

Louis Balfour

26,619 posts

224 months

Wednesday 10th May 2023
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clockworks said:
Louis Balfour said:
O/T - how accurate are long case clocks typically? I ask because I have a Scottish one (1812 ish) that is running at a daily rate of 0. Had it 15 years or so and the only time I change the time is spring and autumn. Is this unsual?
I aim to get them running to within 30 seconds a week while they are on test. With patience, a few seconds a week is possible if the clock is in good condition, and in a stable environment.

Getting one that keeps perfect time for several months is very good going. Steel pendulum rods expand and contract with temperature, affecting the rate. The clock will also stop ticking while it's being wound, and will often actually run backwards (unless it's fitted with maintaining power - unusual in a longcase).

Basically, a longcase clock is one step down from chronometer accuracy as standard, but there are always exceptions.
Ours is under some stairs and the temperature is pretty consistent.

105.4

4,173 posts

73 months

Wednesday 10th May 2023
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clockworks said:
Apart from a minor dip for 3 weeks in April, and putting my prices up a bit closer to the trade average, I just keep getting busier and busier. The price increase was partially an attempt to get some refusals. Didn't work.
hehe

A nice problem to have smile

Longcases eh?

I bought a book on Longcases upon your recommendation. I can’t remember what it was called now, but I think you described it as almost being the Bible on Longcases. Written by some called Eric I think?

I’m still window shopping at them btw, and would love one once we’ve got a few other jobs done and paid for around the house.

In that regard, please, keep in touch smile

Aventador 700

1,995 posts

23 months

Thursday 11th May 2023
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105.4 said:
clockworks said:
Apart from a minor dip for 3 weeks in April, and putting my prices up a bit closer to the trade average, I just keep getting busier and busier. The price increase was partially an attempt to get some refusals. Didn't work.
hehe

A nice problem to have smile

Longcases eh?

I bought a book on Longcases upon your recommendation. I can’t remember what it was called now, but I think you described it as almost being the Bible on Longcases. Written by some called Eric I think?

I’m still window shopping at them btw, and would love one once we’ve got a few other jobs done and paid for around the house.

In that regard, please, keep in touch smile
My long departed grandad made longcase clocks, as a teenager i served as an apprentice in his very old school workshop, taught to do all the veneer & inlay work, it was very satisfying work & had my own ‘apprentice made’ miniature version in my room for many years..

Some of the clock shops we visited in london and germany of many family holidays were quite incredible, germany especially as i think it was a clock makers nirvana?

Happy memories actually..

C4ME

1,210 posts

213 months

Thursday 11th May 2023
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clockworks said:
Apart from a minor dip for 3 weeks in April, and putting my prices up a bit closer to the trade average, I just keep getting busier and busier. The price increase was partially an attempt to get some refusals. Didn't work.

The 3 week dip was actually welcome, as I've been able to clear some of the backlog. Turnaround time was getting close to 3 months, back down to 8 weeks now. Pre-covid, it was 4 weeks.

My problem now is that I'm getting over-run with longcase (grandfather) clocks, and I can only have 5 on test at any time. Got plenty of space for mantel and wall clocks, but only room for 5 longcase test stands. 3 years ago, I only needed 2 test stands.
I see from your profile you are in Cornwall. Are you in/near Truro? (long case clock owner).

Edited by C4ME on Thursday 11th May 18:05

clockworks

5,461 posts

147 months

Thursday 11th May 2023
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C4ME said:
I see from your profile you are in Cornwall. Are you in/near Truro? (long case clock owner).

Edited by C4ME on Thursday 11th May 18:05
I'm between Helston and Penzance

C4ME

1,210 posts

213 months

Thursday 11th May 2023
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clockworks said:
C4ME said:
I see from your profile you are in Cornwall. Are you in/near Truro? (long case clock owner).

Edited by C4ME on Thursday 11th May 18:05
I'm between Helston and Penzance
Thank you. I am in the same area so good to know.

skwdenyer

16,814 posts

242 months

Saturday 13th May 2023
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From another thread, but important to remember in consumer spending that volume doesn’t necessarily imply anything positive about the market:

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skwdenyer

16,814 posts

242 months

Saturday 13th May 2023
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Here’s another example. Thought clothing, a big player in the ethical & sustainable apparel space.

There’s product in their feed at 70% off:



On top of that, get 20% off your first order:



And on top of that, register your email address with the cashback sites and get up to 9.2% back:



That cashback will be costing Thought a few more % for the affiliate network, the cashback site & the agency running it. Perhaps as much as 10% more.

If that lots running all the time, well, I wouldn’t be buying shares in them.

This is what this industry has become. Shoppers “demand” this level of promotion. But it means that (a) the margins have to rise (so the quality of product drops through the floor); and ultimately the whole thing will collapse.

Hence Internet Fusion I mentioned the other day: £110m of sales and no profit. Hence ASOS’ troubles. Hence HoF, and TopShop, and so on.

And hence why 105.4’s volume updates are interesting, but not of themselves a sign of strength or health in the economy. If customers will only buy at, in effect, below cost, then we’re just waiting for the end really smile

egor110

16,966 posts

205 months

Saturday 13th May 2023
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But then you get companies like uniqlo who don't constantly have massive sales.

Digga

40,521 posts

285 months

Saturday 13th May 2023
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President Merkin said:
Despite being at it for an entire career, I have no idea what any of that means. Sorry.
Doesn’t surprise me. Most logistics firms seem barely capable of finding their own arses with both hands.

Last week being a case in point; none seem capable of providing adequate staff cover for services to run undisrupted on a Bank Holiday week. It’s like these dates are a secret to them and the departments that authorise leave. Utter cretins.

These firms would never get away with such flaky service were there a proper, competitive market.

jammy-git

29,778 posts

214 months

Saturday 13th May 2023
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skwdenyer said:
Here’s another example. Thought clothing, a big player in the ethical & sustainable apparel space.

There’s product in their feed at 70% off:



On top of that, get 20% off your first order:



And on top of that, register your email address with the cashback sites and get up to 9.2% back:



That cashback will be costing Thought a few more % for the affiliate network, the cashback site & the agency running it. Perhaps as much as 10% more.

If that lots running all the time, well, I wouldn’t be buying shares in them.

This is what this industry has become. Shoppers “demand” this level of promotion. But it means that (a) the margins have to rise (so the quality of product drops through the floor); and ultimately the whole thing will collapse.

Hence Internet Fusion I mentioned the other day: £110m of sales and no profit. Hence ASOS’ troubles. Hence HoF, and TopShop, and so on.

And hence why 105.4’s volume updates are interesting, but not of themselves a sign of strength or health in the economy. If customers will only buy at, in effect, below cost, then we’re just waiting for the end really smile
It's likely you'll only be allowed to use one promotional code at a time.

SpeckledJim

31,608 posts

255 months

Saturday 13th May 2023
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Digga said:
President Merkin said:
Despite being at it for an entire career, I have no idea what any of that means. Sorry.
Doesn’t surprise me. Most logistics firms seem barely capable of finding their own arses with both hands.

Last week being a case in point; none seem capable of providing adequate staff cover for services to run undisrupted on a Bank Holiday week. It’s like these dates are a secret to them and the departments that authorise leave. Utter cretins.

These firms would never get away with such flaky service were there a proper, competitive market.
Im about to sack UPS for persistent uselessness. I’ve been much more loyal and patient than I would have been with suppliers in different areas. I think the couriers all exploit and rely upon the stickiness of their customers.

And they all seem to be in constant crisis.