Reporting bad business
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TVR Sagaris said:
Original Poster said:
To be honest, I do not think it is any of your business. You do not work there so it does not concern you, just my view of course.
I'll feel better if I try and do something. Nobody should avoid tax or national insurance payments and, since it's the law, everyone should be paid minimum wage.If people avoiding tax bothers you maybe you should open your eyes a little.
If you think every coffee shop owner declares every penny they get in cash, you are wrong, if you think people don't buy expensive toys on expenses, you're wrong. Get the picture?
I can guarantee you nearly every company owner on here avoids tax in some way, and more for them. Why do you want people to have their money taken away?
Edited by Original Poster on Thursday 19th August 18:39
I would report it and put up the company details on any job discussion boards that you think could help, I nearly got suckered into one of these type of job observation days but something felt and sounded wrong. Googling the company name produced a long list of complaints and whinges about conditions (these all came above the company's own website on a google search meaning I decided not to attend).
Deva Link said:
TVR Sagaris said:
I recently went on an 'observation day' with a company after having an interview with them.
The company can't be too worried if they allowed you to observe them for the day.This is a very simple case,
The role in question was clearly commission only sales, which is why he seems to think that they are not paying minimum wage, if you looked into commission only sales you would know that in actual fact, it is not illegal at all, the people that are earning below minimum wage are simply crap at their job and will loose it soon, simple.
Deva Link said:
Original Poster said:
...if you looked into commission only sales you would know that in actual fact, it is not illegal at all,...
Actually, it is illegal not to pay them minimum wage.Original Poster said:
Deva Link said:
Original Poster said:
...if you looked into commission only sales you would know that in actual fact, it is not illegal at all,...
Actually, it is illegal not to pay them minimum wage.The way around it which is often taken, and is mentioned in the OP, is that people are taken on on a self-employed basis. That's another whole can of worms as they're probably not genuinely self-employed.
Original Poster said:
Deva Link said:
TVR Sagaris said:
I recently went on an 'observation day' with a company after having an interview with them.
The company can't be too worried if they allowed you to observe them for the day.This is a very simple case,
The role in question was clearly commission only sales, which is why he seems to think that they are not paying minimum wage, if you looked into commission only sales you would know that in actual fact, it is not illegal at all, the people that are earning below minimum wage are simply crap at their job and will loose it soon, simple.
The company I'm thinking of, they're in the middle of a legal battle for defrauding the original company of their client database.
The actual people have had more than two companies around them in less than three years. Each time the people move and change their trading entity, the location of their offices moves. This is why I couldn't find anything out about them initially. It's so bad that out the back of their "so called" office, is a stack of "white vans" all with flat tyres and ex-company logos, beneath the mildew.
The office is a joke, it's barely disguised as being an old hairdressing salon, and they've craftily added a lean-to, in which perhaps twelve or fourteen people are crammed. The room is barely bigger than my living room, and I can only fit a sofa a chair and a telly in there. These people are on the phone day and night frantically calling people in the hope of selling junk at high prices.
It's so bad that the council are pursuing him on the basis of parking. They're fed up with not being able to park their cars, and because it's opposite a school they're worried that all the additional business traffic is going to harm their kids on the road. The grass verges, they're all cut to shreds, because of the impromptu parking that the employees do, the whole place is a tip.
Then, you have to wonder why it is that the boss is actually any good at what he does. I mean, it's the 40 people on money below the minimum wage, that pay for his bimmer and nice house. It's a convertible, all the whizzbangs, and he's the only one wearing a sharp suit.
If he really wanted all that, and was good at what he did, would he be working for a company that he has to trash every 18 months, to cover the trail? Would he really choose to exploit his employees? Would he really force customers into credit agreements that he knew they couldn't afford? Would he really choose to sell products that are only saleable, by high pressure victimisation? Once there's a loan agreement in place you can charge anything, even for crap, because no money changes hands, and the banks finish the customers off in their own time.
Would he really do all that if he was any good?
I say no. And of the employees that fail. It's not because they're no good. It's because they have a conscience.
Edited by dilbert on Thursday 19th August 19:20
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