So, is there a scam
Discussion
Quattromaster said:
To be fair, he has placed the order through website, and paid by BACs, when he called I said to him, the order must be placed through the website, and paid for using one of our agreed options, ie BACs, card or paypal.
Your choice now. I point to my last post reference risk / reward. Too much risk for me personally, but if you are happy that the potential reward is worth the risk then go for it.
Ham_and_Jam said:
Your choice now. I point to my last post reference risk / reward. Too much risk for me personally, but if you are happy that the potential reward is worth the risk then go for it.
No no, I had my doubts from his first message early last week, and I still do, plan is to sit on the money and see what happens. Quattromaster said:
I did think during the night, how is he managing to pay a UK bank account from overseas, surely you need an IBAN number for that, I do when I transfer money to my mothers Spanish account. My website only gives out the standard sort code/Acc no.
IBAN is simply a international standard identifier for the bank, then your account identifier. Not difficult to get a bank identifier then tack on your details.pistonheadforum said:
Most logical advice so far. Why would he not just get the courier to turn up with cash if he can arrange these kind of things from aboad? You have a clear purchase method and they have decided not to use it. 
Interested that he actually called to speak to somebody. I wonder how that conversation sounded and if your spider senses were tingling during the call?
Please tell us what legitimate courier that is would ship hazardous goods overseas is going to turn up at the door with £500 from a customer thousands of miles away to pay for goods he wants. I can arrange a courier to collect something from the Seychelles in about 10 mins so it's not uncommon. Dawid rocking up on behalf of someone in Poland with a wad of notes is a slightly different matter. Interested that he actually called to speak to somebody. I wonder how that conversation sounded and if your spider senses were tingling during the call?
While it does smell a little fishy, WU is common for paying for goods in many countries where banks etc charge large sums for overseas transactions, unfortunately as it's reputation for use in scams precedes itself, any transaction using it screams alarm bells
I wouldn't say it's an unusual item to be requesting for somewhere like that, back street repairs is what keep many coiuntries like that going, they have to get their paint etc from somewhere.
I can see how it's worrying for a small business though.
DavePanda said:
Please tell us what legitimate courier that is would ship hazardous goods overseas is going to turn up at the door with £500 from a customer thousands of miles away to pay for goods he wants. I can arrange a courier to collect something from the Seychelles in about 10 mins so it's not uncommon. Dawid rocking up on behalf of someone in Poland with a wad of notes is a slightly different matter.
The buyer has already paid.I really can't see the issue here. The buyer has purchaed using the business' system, including payment. What happens to the goods after that is largely irrelevant. If it were card, I would want it going to the card address, BACS though, other than fraud, there is no recourse. This would be the same in the UK too though.
I wonder how international businesses actually trade with the level of fear that you are implying, and a lot of them are talking more than £500 worth of goods.
I wonder how international businesses actually trade with the level of fear that you are implying, and a lot of them are talking more than £500 worth of goods.
UPDATE,
Called my bank (HSBC) for some advice, may as well have asked the cat.
They say it could be a scam, but there again it might not be, great, that really helps, lol.
They did say the money 100% cannot be taken back out of my account.
They also mentioned a "new" scam, where you ask the buyer for his bank details, so you can refund, and they send you a QR code , saying scan this for all our details, said its quite new this , and to not scan code under any circumstances.
Called my bank (HSBC) for some advice, may as well have asked the cat.
They say it could be a scam, but there again it might not be, great, that really helps, lol.
They did say the money 100% cannot be taken back out of my account.
They also mentioned a "new" scam, where you ask the buyer for his bank details, so you can refund, and they send you a QR code , saying scan this for all our details, said its quite new this , and to not scan code under any circumstances.
Quattromaster said:
UPDATE,
Called my bank (HSBC) for some advice, may as well have asked the cat.
They say it could be a scam, but there again it might not be, great, that really helps, lol.
They did say the money 100% cannot be taken back out of my account.
They also mentioned a "new" scam, where you ask the buyer for his bank details, so you can refund, and they send you a QR code , saying scan this for all our details, said its quite new this , and to not scan code under any circumstances.
I doubt the cat would have told you that.Called my bank (HSBC) for some advice, may as well have asked the cat.
They say it could be a scam, but there again it might not be, great, that really helps, lol.
They did say the money 100% cannot be taken back out of my account.
They also mentioned a "new" scam, where you ask the buyer for his bank details, so you can refund, and they send you a QR code , saying scan this for all our details, said its quite new this , and to not scan code under any circumstances.
Quattromaster said:
UPDATE,
Called my bank (HSBC) for some advice, may as well have asked the cat.
They say it could be a scam, but there again it might not be, great, that really helps, lol.
They did say the money 100% cannot be taken back out of my account.
They also mentioned a "new" scam, where you ask the buyer for his bank details, so you can refund, and they send you a QR code , saying scan this for all our details, said its quite new this , and to not scan code under any circumstances.
I’m hugely surprised a member of staff at the bank said that.Called my bank (HSBC) for some advice, may as well have asked the cat.
They say it could be a scam, but there again it might not be, great, that really helps, lol.
They did say the money 100% cannot be taken back out of my account.
They also mentioned a "new" scam, where you ask the buyer for his bank details, so you can refund, and they send you a QR code , saying scan this for all our details, said its quite new this , and to not scan code under any circumstances.
If the funds came from a compromised account then I would absolutely expect the bank to reclaim the funds from you. To say that there is no possibility of funds being taken back is just not plausible.
ChrisNic said:
Quattromaster said:
UPDATE,
Called my bank (HSBC) for some advice, may as well have asked the cat.
They say it could be a scam, but there again it might not be, great, that really helps, lol.
They did say the money 100% cannot be taken back out of my account.
They also mentioned a "new" scam, where you ask the buyer for his bank details, so you can refund, and they send you a QR code , saying scan this for all our details, said its quite new this , and to not scan code under any circumstances.
I’m hugely surprised a member of staff at the bank said that.Called my bank (HSBC) for some advice, may as well have asked the cat.
They say it could be a scam, but there again it might not be, great, that really helps, lol.
They did say the money 100% cannot be taken back out of my account.
They also mentioned a "new" scam, where you ask the buyer for his bank details, so you can refund, and they send you a QR code , saying scan this for all our details, said its quite new this , and to not scan code under any circumstances.
If the funds came from a compromised account then I would absolutely expect the bank to reclaim the funds from you. To say that there is no possibility of funds being taken back is just not plausible.
Looks like the OP might be receiving a QR code in the near future!
Frankthered said:
ChrisNic said:
Quattromaster said:
UPDATE,
Called my bank (HSBC) for some advice, may as well have asked the cat.
They say it could be a scam, but there again it might not be, great, that really helps, lol.
They did say the money 100% cannot be taken back out of my account.
They also mentioned a "new" scam, where you ask the buyer for his bank details, so you can refund, and they send you a QR code , saying scan this for all our details, said its quite new this , and to not scan code under any circumstances.
I’m hugely surprised a member of staff at the bank said that.Called my bank (HSBC) for some advice, may as well have asked the cat.
They say it could be a scam, but there again it might not be, great, that really helps, lol.
They did say the money 100% cannot be taken back out of my account.
They also mentioned a "new" scam, where you ask the buyer for his bank details, so you can refund, and they send you a QR code , saying scan this for all our details, said its quite new this , and to not scan code under any circumstances.
If the funds came from a compromised account then I would absolutely expect the bank to reclaim the funds from you. To say that there is no possibility of funds being taken back is just not plausible.
Looks like the OP might be receiving a QR code in the near future!
Any bankers care to clarify?
RM said:
Frankthered said:
ChrisNic said:
Quattromaster said:
UPDATE,
Called my bank (HSBC) for some advice, may as well have asked the cat.
They say it could be a scam, but there again it might not be, great, that really helps, lol.
They did say the money 100% cannot be taken back out of my account.
They also mentioned a "new" scam, where you ask the buyer for his bank details, so you can refund, and they send you a QR code , saying scan this for all our details, said its quite new this , and to not scan code under any circumstances.
I’m hugely surprised a member of staff at the bank said that.Called my bank (HSBC) for some advice, may as well have asked the cat.
They say it could be a scam, but there again it might not be, great, that really helps, lol.
They did say the money 100% cannot be taken back out of my account.
They also mentioned a "new" scam, where you ask the buyer for his bank details, so you can refund, and they send you a QR code , saying scan this for all our details, said its quite new this , and to not scan code under any circumstances.
If the funds came from a compromised account then I would absolutely expect the bank to reclaim the funds from you. To say that there is no possibility of funds being taken back is just not plausible.
Looks like the OP might be receiving a QR code in the near future!
Any bankers care to clarify?
Money moved about, is it real money ? has someone conned the system moved the proceeds out to a 3rd party to buy goods... get the goods and then the money is reclaimed ?
Or person buys goods gets goods delivered and says didnt receive them, and reclaims money ? selling the received goods onwards getting money for nothing.
OP has a structured purchase path, he is selling and dictates that path. The purchaser follows that or no sale. This putting money into an account like that gives me the dread. I would be very uncomfortable now refunding or sending goods on.
If it feels odd then more often than not it is odd.... quacks like a duck... its usually a duck.
ruggedscotty said:
Thing is if there is a fraud, they will know about it, some frauds are not instant, they require to be planted and then executed. much like what is happening here. Someone has found a way to make money. in an underhand way. Its just that at present its not obvious to us. But its there.
Money moved about, is it real money ? has someone conned the system moved the proceeds out to a 3rd party to buy goods... get the goods and then the money is reclaimed ?
Or person buys goods gets goods delivered and says didnt receive them, and reclaims money ? selling the received goods onwards getting money for nothing.
OP has a structured purchase path, he is selling and dictates that path. The purchaser follows that or no sale. This putting money into an account like that gives me the dread. I would be very uncomfortable now refunding or sending goods on.
If it feels odd then more often than not it is odd.... quacks like a duck... its usually a duck.
+1Money moved about, is it real money ? has someone conned the system moved the proceeds out to a 3rd party to buy goods... get the goods and then the money is reclaimed ?
Or person buys goods gets goods delivered and says didnt receive them, and reclaims money ? selling the received goods onwards getting money for nothing.
OP has a structured purchase path, he is selling and dictates that path. The purchaser follows that or no sale. This putting money into an account like that gives me the dread. I would be very uncomfortable now refunding or sending goods on.
If it feels odd then more often than not it is odd.... quacks like a duck... its usually a duck.
I used to work with a great manager who was responsible for acquisitions for his company. He always allowed time in the process for the "smell test". Whatever the numbers said, if it smelled like bulls
t then the deal was off, let someone else take the risk and move on.Quattromaster said:
Ham_and_Jam said:
Your choice now. I point to my last post reference risk / reward. Too much risk for me personally, but if you are happy that the potential reward is worth the risk then go for it.
No no, I had my doubts from his first message early last week, and I still do, plan is to sit on the money and see what happens. 
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