employee not coming back form holiday.

[M400 NBL]

Hit him where will hurt most. When it comes to pay review time, deny him an inflationary increase because of his actions. I'm not sure how legal this is but I know plenty of poeple that didn't get a pay increase for years.

For those that think giving 4 months notice for a 4 week holiday is enough...anyone wanting to take a months holiday that i've known have giving much longer notice...sometimes more than a year.

The OP compromised...and more importantly made a decision as his boss.

[NorthernBoy]

Fittster said:

But if you are sick take time off! I hate sitting next to a 'brave hero' who comes into the office with a stinking cold and passes it to everyone else.

Well, you have the right to hate it, but having a cold does not stop anyone working, or stop their brain functioning, so you work through it. That is hardly trying to be a hero, it is simply getting on with things. I hate peopel who think a cold means they cannot work, and, fortunately, shirkers get weeded out of most proper businesses resonably well.

I do not think that my office is full of genetically engineered supermen, and it does not seem to be full of the walking wounded, so this rather implies that about one day a year is how often normal people get sick wit real causes. An average above that in an office job is, in many cases, going to mean that peopel are simply taking the piss, and taking days off for hangovers or going to the zoo, or whatever layabouts do on their sickies.

[ganglandboss]

The Walrus said:

See if you can get any info on the travel information and if he had already planned to stay out in Aus regardless and was just paying you lip service.

If that does not work log onto his computer and start downloading porn and then sack him for that instead.

For reference I do not recommend the above it was just a suggestion.

Edited by The Walrus on Monday 30th July 14:05

And when it comes out that he was out of the country at the time, end up in deep shit!

[dern]

Fittster said:

But if you are sick take time off! I hate sitting next to a 'brave hero' who comes into the office with a stinking cold and passes it to everyone else.

Having a cold often means you can work perfectly well. Taking time off just because you have a cold so that no one else catches it is pretty pointless considering the chances are that if a cold is going around then the people you work with will catch it off someone outside of work anyway.

[NorthernBoy]

dern said:

Fittster said:

But if you are sick take time off! I hate sitting next to a 'brave hero' who comes into the office with a stinking cold and passes it to everyone else.

Having a cold often means you can work perfectly well. Taking time off just because you have a cold so that no one else catches it is pretty pointless considering the chances are that if a cold is going around then the people you work with will catch it off someone outside of work anyway.

Exactly. Those pretending to be righteous by skiving off with a sniffle need to understand that they are not fooling anyone.

You cannot work with flu. You will struggle with proper food poisoning, and ebola can be a bitch. Having a runny nose is not being ill.

[dcb]

NorthernBoy said:

You cannot work with flu. You will struggle with proper food poisoning, and ebola can be a bitch. Having a runny nose is not being ill.

Runny nose - vitamin C and aspirin. Job done.

Writing as one who only gets paid if I
turn up, I can say I haven't had a day
off sick for more than twenty years.

If there is a pulse, I am at work.
How well I feel isn't important.

[Toni896]

He gave 4 months notice live with it, just doc his pay !

as for those who can work with a stinking cold good on ya, give yourselves a pat in the back, and dont have a go at me if I make a mistake with your cash which means you dont get paid or order to much goods or get pissed off if I have a go at your for spraying me with green goo !!! !

[Olf]

dcb said:

NorthernBoy said:

You cannot work with flu. You will struggle with proper food poisoning, and ebola can be a bitch. Having a runny nose is not being ill.

Runny nose - vitamin C and aspirin. Job done.

Writing as one who only gets paid if I
turn up, I can say I haven't had a day
off sick for more than twenty years.

If there is a pulse, I am at work.
How well I feel isn't important.

Rather have a leg off than a day off.

[ChristianZS]

dern said:

Fittster said:

But if you are sick take time off! I hate sitting next to a 'brave hero' who comes into the office with a stinking cold and passes it to everyone else.

Having a cold often means you can work perfectly well. Taking time off just because you have a cold so that no one else catches it is pretty pointless considering the chances are that if a cold is going around then the people you work with will catch it off someone outside of work anyway.

In the last 3years I have had two days off due to "sickness" and that was only to sort things out after I had my car written off and were aching a little bit.

A cold is no reason to have a day off work and neither are most things.

[stevieb]

ChristianZS said:

dern said:

Fittster said:

But if you are sick take time off! I hate sitting next to a 'brave hero' who comes into the office with a stinking cold and passes it to everyone else.

Having a cold often means you can work perfectly well. Taking time off just because you have a cold so that no one else catches it is pretty pointless considering the chances are that if a cold is going around then the people you work with will catch it off someone outside of work anyway.

In the last 3years I have had two days off due to "sickness" and that was only to sort things out after I had my car written off and were aching a little bit.

A cold is no reason to have a day off work and neither are most things.

It good reading this that there are some cr4p attitude towards employees on here...

[ChristianZS]

stevieb said:

ChristianZS said:

dern said:

Fittster said:

But if you are sick take time off! I hate sitting next to a 'brave hero' who comes into the office with a stinking cold and passes it to everyone else.

Having a cold often means you can work perfectly well. Taking time off just because you have a cold so that no one else catches it is pretty pointless considering the chances are that if a cold is going around then the people you work with will catch it off someone outside of work anyway.

In the last 3years I have had two days off due to "sickness" and that was only to sort things out after I had my car written off and were aching a little bit.

A cold is no reason to have a day off work and neither are most things.

It good reading this that there are some cr4p attitude towards employees on here...

Im not an employer. I just work damn hard.

[NorthernBoy]

stevieb said:

It good reading this that there are some cr4p attitude towards employees on here...

I think that you will find that we were talking about how we work ourselves.

Which raises the question, if all of us seem never to get sick, are the employees that you pity just weak specimens, or do you think, just possibly, that many of them are taking the piss?

[Olf]

NorthernBoy said:

stevieb said:

It good reading this that there are some cr4p attitude towards employees on here...

I think that you will find that we were talking about how we work ourselves.

Which raises the question, if all of us seem never to get sick, are the employees that you pity just weak specimens, or do you think, just possibly, that many of them are taking the piss?

I have met a lot of staff people who consider sick days as a duvet day holiday thing.

I work for myself and I've had 2 sick days in 4 years. When I was staff I didn't have any more than that either. It's about your work ethic. Don't get me wrong, I'm not a slave but I just like working. It feels right - always has done.

[ChristianZS]

Olf said:

NorthernBoy said:

stevieb said:

It good reading this that there are some cr4p attitude towards employees on here...

I think that you will find that we were talking about how we work ourselves.

Which raises the question, if all of us seem never to get sick, are the employees that you pity just weak specimens, or do you think, just possibly, that many of them are taking the piss?

I have met a lot of staff people who consider sick days as a duvet day holiday thing.

I work for myself and I've had 2 sick days in 4 years. When I was staff I didn't have any more than that either. It's about your work ethic. Don't get me wrong, I'm not a slave but I just like working. It feels right - always has done.

Having a day off feels wrong.. I dont know why but it just does. If I dont work I feel lazy and rather bored and by mid day im dying to get back into work and get stuck in. It probably works the illness out quicker too.

[NorthernBoy]

ChristianZS said:

Having a day off feels wrong.. I dont know why but it just does. If I dont work I feel lazy and rather bored and by mid day im dying to get back into work and get stuck in. It probably works the illness out quicker too.

There seems a pretty clear split between people that think like this, and people who resent even having to turn up for their wage, and who see life as a battle against management.

Of course, no-one is obliged to have such a strong work ethic, but it is normally the case that the people who do the minimum that they can get away with are the same people who languish at the bottom of the pile, and who sit around n the pub whining about how unfair it is that the hard workers get ahead.

[ChristianZS]

NorthernBoy said:

ChristianZS said:

Having a day off feels wrong.. I dont know why but it just does. If I dont work I feel lazy and rather bored and by mid day im dying to get back into work and get stuck in. It probably works the illness out quicker too.

There seems a pretty clear split between people that think like this, and people who resent even having to turn up for their wage, and who see life as a battle against management.

Of course, no-one is obliged to have such a strong work ethic, but it is normally the case that the people who do the minimum that they can get away with are the same people who languish at the bottom of the pile, and who sit around n the pub whining about how unfair it is that the hard workers get ahead.

To be honest I do moan a bit about my pay but that is because it is slightly sub-par for the amount I do work.. I see people getting 3/4k extra for being on 24/7 call which I do not get and for the amount of responsibility I have for working systems to be up and running I sometimes feel undervalued but as I see it in decemeber I hopefully can ask for a decent payrise and not some sum just to keep in line with in inflation. I do work to live but you do have to put graft in to get the beer tokens out.

[NorthernBoy]

ChristianZS said:

To be honest I do moan a bit about my pay but that is because it is slightly sub-par for the amount I do work.. I see people getting 3/4k extra for being on 24/7 call which I do not get and for the amount of responsibility I have for working systems to be up and running I sometimes feel undervalued but as I see it in decemeber I hopefully can ask for a decent payrise and not some sum just to keep in line with in inflation. I do work to live but you do have to put graft in to get the beer tokens out.

In general, you need to work hard, and to work smart. Neither tends to be enough on its own. Do both right, though, and the rewards are hugely more than if you do neither.

For example, you see peope all to often going against what their boss asked for, because they think they know better. They somehow imagine that their boss (despite their opinion of him as an arse) will suddenly thank them hugely for proving him wrong publically, and wil heap rewards on them for the service.

[ChristianZS]

NorthernBoy said:

ChristianZS said:

To be honest I do moan a bit about my pay but that is because it is slightly sub-par for the amount I do work.. I see people getting 3/4k extra for being on 24/7 call which I do not get and for the amount of responsibility I have for working systems to be up and running I sometimes feel undervalued but as I see it in decemeber I hopefully can ask for a decent payrise and not some sum just to keep in line with in inflation. I do work to live but you do have to put graft in to get the beer tokens out.

In general, you need to work hard, and to work smart. Neither tends to be enough on its own. Do both right, though, and the rewards are hugely more than if you do neither.

For example, you see peope all to often going against what their boss asked for, because they think they know better. They somehow imagine that their boss (despite their opinion of him as an arse) will suddenly thank them hugely for proving him wrong publically, and wil heap rewards on them for the service.

Our ex telecoms manager was so un-managable,and so went off on his own accord and had taken on so much un-related rubbish that he had created another job for himself. We now have dissolved his job and me an a few others have just slotted it into our jobs with minimal disruption. Yes iam rushed off my feet 8hours a day but I wouldnt have it any other way. I do post on ph during the day but its when im waiting on things. As I see it I give people what they ask for and nothing different, no arguments.

[southendpier]

Update:

Employee offered resignation.

Which was accepted.

The business world keeps turning and we go again.

[Conian]

southendpier said:

Update:

Employee offered resignation.

Which was accepted.

The business world keeps turning and we go again.

Shame you didnt get to do your Sir Alan impersonation! But alls well that ends well.... what is he planning on doing now? Bumming around Aussie for longer? Finding himself?