Which Laptop gives this...?????????
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Wireless network is much much faster than the piece of wire between your router and the ISP. My ISP can do 2Mbit/s, my router can do 54Mbits/s...
Actually, the laptop and router is much less important than the ISP you choose. As long as you have lots of free disk space on the C: driver (never go over 80%) and a reasonable amount of RAM (512M+ is good) then it mainly comes down to the bandwidth and quality of service of your ISP.
Most of the time, the PC is waiting for more info from the network...
Actually, the laptop and router is much less important than the ISP you choose. As long as you have lots of free disk space on the C: driver (never go over 80%) and a reasonable amount of RAM (512M+ is good) then it mainly comes down to the bandwidth and quality of service of your ISP.
Most of the time, the PC is waiting for more info from the network...
Edited by Ordinary Bloke on Sunday 16th December 00:51... K Bytes M Bytes what's the difference. Apart from the K and M, obviously 
Edited by Kinky on Sunday 16th December 18:28
Ordinary Bloke said:
Wireless network is much much faster than the piece of wire between your router and the ISP. My ISP can do 2Mbit/s, my router can do 54Mbits/s...
Actually, the laptop and router is much less important than the ISP you choose. As long as you have lots of free disk space on the C: driver (never go over 80%) and a reasonable amount of RAM (512K+ is good) then it mainly comes down to the bandwidth and quality of service of your ISP.
Most of the time, the PC is waiting for more info from the network...
Fail troll is fail. Actually, the laptop and router is much less important than the ISP you choose. As long as you have lots of free disk space on the C: driver (never go over 80%) and a reasonable amount of RAM (512K+ is good) then it mainly comes down to the bandwidth and quality of service of your ISP.
Most of the time, the PC is waiting for more info from the network...
Latency is the magic word.
Edited by Kinky on Sunday 16th December 18:29
TheLearner said:
Ordinary Bloke said:
Ignore that bullsh1t, wireless network is much much faster than the piece of wire between your router and the ISP. My ISP can do 2Mbit/s, my router can do 54Mbits/s...
Actually, the laptop and router is much less important than the ISP you choose. As long as you have lots of free disk space on the C: driver (never go over 80%) and a reasonable amount of RAM (512K+ is good) then it mainly comes down to the bandwidth and quality of service of your ISP.
Most of the time, the PC is waiting for more info from the network...
Fail troll is fail. Actually, the laptop and router is much less important than the ISP you choose. As long as you have lots of free disk space on the C: driver (never go over 80%) and a reasonable amount of RAM (512K+ is good) then it mainly comes down to the bandwidth and quality of service of your ISP.
Most of the time, the PC is waiting for more info from the network...
Latency is the magic word.
I didn't mention it earlier, but if you're looking for a good ISP try http://www.freedom2surf.net/ and mention user "marlow" when you sign up. I've been with them 2 years and they've been brilliant.
PS: Excuse me, WTF is a Troll anyway?
Ordinary Bloke said:
TheLearner said:
Ordinary Bloke said:
Wireless network is much much faster than the piece of wire between your router and the ISP. My ISP can do 2Mbit/s, my router can do 54Mbits/s...
Actually, the laptop and router is much less important than the ISP you choose. As long as you have lots of free disk space on the C: driver (never go over 80%) and a reasonable amount of RAM (512K+ is good) then it mainly comes down to the bandwidth and quality of service of your ISP.
Most of the time, the PC is waiting for more info from the network...
Fail troll is fail. Actually, the laptop and router is much less important than the ISP you choose. As long as you have lots of free disk space on the C: driver (never go over 80%) and a reasonable amount of RAM (512K+ is good) then it mainly comes down to the bandwidth and quality of service of your ISP.
Most of the time, the PC is waiting for more info from the network...
Latency is the magic word.
I didn't mention it earlier, but if you're looking for a good ISP try http://www.freedom2surf.net/ and mention user "marlow" when you sign up. I've been with them 2 years and they've been brilliant.
PS: Excuse me, WTF is a Troll anyway?
Fail.
Your lack of knowledge about computers.
Fail.
It's English. Learn to comprehend it.
Total grade: F-
If Gorvid is insistent on using wireless, then it comes down to using an unsecured connection. The less work the router and NIC have to do (most cheap shitty ones make software do all the leg work) the less overall latency in the connection. Rapid DNS servers can also speed this up, ISP ones generally suck.
Edited by Kinky on Sunday 16th December 18:30
TheLearner said:
Ordinary Bloke said:
TheLearner said:
Ordinary Bloke said:
Wireless network is much much faster than the piece of wire between your router and the ISP. My ISP can do 2Mbit/s, my router can do 54Mbits/s...
Actually, the laptop and router is much less important than the ISP you choose. As long as you have lots of free disk space on the C: driver (never go over 80%) and a reasonable amount of RAM (512K+ is good) then it mainly comes down to the bandwidth and quality of service of your ISP.
Most of the time, the PC is waiting for more info from the network...
Fail troll is fail. Actually, the laptop and router is much less important than the ISP you choose. As long as you have lots of free disk space on the C: driver (never go over 80%) and a reasonable amount of RAM (512K+ is good) then it mainly comes down to the bandwidth and quality of service of your ISP.
Most of the time, the PC is waiting for more info from the network...
Latency is the magic word.
I didn't mention it earlier, but if you're looking for a good ISP try http://www.freedom2surf.net/ and mention user "marlow" when you sign up. I've been with them 2 years and they've been brilliant.
PS: Excuse me, WTF is a Troll anyway?
Fail.
Your lack of knowledge about computers.
Fail.
It's English. Learn to comprehend it.
Total grade: F-
If Gorvid is insistent on using wireless, then it comes down to using an unsecured connection. The less work the router and NIC have to do (most cheap shitty ones make software do all the leg work) the less overall latency in the connection. Rapid DNS servers can also speed this up, ISP ones generally suck.
"Toll, to post stupidity " - I can't argue with you there.
"Your lack of knowledge about computers" - built my first one in 1979. I have an MSc Hons in Computer and Microprocessor Systems. You? BTec in Flower arranging?
"It's English." - In your dreams
The rest of your post... b0llocks.
The laptop is unlikely to affect the speed of the internet, assuming it's currently for sale, new. The ISP makes all the difference.
OK, that makes me a troll. GRRRaaaaaHHH !!!
Edited by Kinky on Sunday 16th December 18:31
Ordinary Bloke said:
I didn't mention it earlier, but if you're looking for a good ISP try http://www.freedom2surf.net/ and mention user "marlow" when you sign up. I've been with them 2 years and they've been brilliant.
PS: Excuse me, WTF is a Troll anyway?
Dont count on the brilliant service continuing. You've just been bought by Tiscali.. Am in the process of moving before I have to.PS: Excuse me, WTF is a Troll anyway?
PS You've been on the net for two years, and dont know what a Troll is? Yeesh...
Gorvy, pretty much anything will whizzle away and allow good IK access, have just bought a fairly crappy Fujitsu-Siemens lappie for precisely this purpose for sub £300. Just dont load all sorts of rubbish on it, and it will be fine.
Ordinary Bloke said:
I know what a troll is.
But I can't believe someone who thinks she's in IT suggesting that Gorvid needs a DNS server to make the internet fast! FFS...
But I can't believe someone who thinks she's in IT suggesting that Gorvid needs a DNS server to make the internet fast! FFS...
funnily enough, using public DNS servers rather than the F2S ones has cured a rather annoying intermittent DNS failure I have been having for a while. I know this is highly coincidental, and not hugely pertinent to Gorv's issue at hand, but hey 
randlemarcus said:
Ordinary Bloke said:
I know what a troll is.
But I can't believe someone who thinks she's in IT suggesting that Gorvid needs a DNS server to make the internet fast! FFS...
But I can't believe someone who thinks she's in IT suggesting that Gorvid needs a DNS server to make the internet fast! FFS...
funnily enough, using public DNS servers rather than the F2S ones has cured a rather annoying intermittent DNS failure I have been having for a while. I know this is highly coincidental, and not hugely pertinent to Gorv's issue at hand, but hey - Disable all form of WiFi security. It makes the router AND PC work just a fraction harder.
- Poke the router and make damn sure the MTU setting is spot on and not the generic setting of 1500.
- Mirror this new MTU speed on the WiFi adapter, again less packet fiddling.
- Check the small print of the specs for the adapter, if it's Atheros based junk it for a hardware based card. Hardware is faster than software.
- Check for alternative and less utilised DNS servers, a LOT of ISP's will just throw bind on to any old shit heap of a machine and leave you wondering why your browser is sat there spinning its wheels "connecting" or "looking up" a certain site. NTL's DNS servers for example are shit, fall over and generally sit there with a thumb up their asses... sometimes for several seconds.
- Play with google and find the magic drivers. Basically it'll be a certain revision of driver for your hardware which everyone reported as being faster/quicker/more efficient. It might however not be the most stable release ever... but this is balls to the wall speed.
- Stop any other traffic on the network, even updating the time automatically.
- Make sure nothing is interfering with the WiFi signal, it's very weak and in the 2.4Ghz range... pretty much anything electronic will increase the noise and thus cause slightly slower.
- Periodically reboot the router, amazing how much quicker and responsive that can make a network; again home user kit.
If you do buy Dell (not a bad choice for VFM), you can usually order an extra capacity battery.
As for the discussion above, TheLearner is correct; wired is the way to go for performance - there is quite a lot of overhead associated with wireless, all of which she's gone into above. Possibly beyond the scope of the original question mind you...which seemed to boil down to 'which has the fastest/best wireless card installed'.
Buggered If I know to be honest. And I'd actually be interested in knowing. I'd also be interested in seeing the performance differences in a built in adapter and a PC card adapter. Both of which will be better than usb. Thinking about it, the built in adapter would almost certainly be mini-pci, so would have an advantage there in bus access, I guess.
Why do you think servers don't tend to use on board network adapters, or wireless adapters, if they a re quicker than the internet connection itself? Given the rats nest that is most comms rooms, you'd think that network admins would jump at the chance to reduce the clutter. Ignoring the interference, which in built up areas is also very real, and WILL hurt performance, it might be because they tend to go for cards with onboard provessors to move as much load away from the CPU as possible. This has a very real benefit; the same goes for wireless cards; the cheap and nasty ones tend to leave a fair bit of work in the drivers for the cpu to do, and the extra load adding some form of security encryption (not many have security on the wireless chipset directly) slows everything down as well.
The DNS comment is also fair; with a crap ISP their servers may be a tad overtaxed, sometimes the public DNS servers may result in a noticable performance increase.
Same also goes for routers - a crap one can slow you down a fair bit. I was running ICS for a while, then built a smoothwall server - bit performance increase, then went to an 'enthusiast router' for another large performace increase.
As a little exercise, try going to the same site at the same time with a laptop cabled directly to the router (no...not a usb cable), and with a laptop connected wirelessly. You might be surprised at the difference.
p.s. The last time someone on PH mentioned their computing degree and 30 years of experience, along with maintaining and moderating a bulletin board, they had to have the use of the quote button explained to them. This was quite a painful exchange to read; the guy never came back. Most people since then have avoided this. This really doesn't seem like a thread worth getting worked up on to me; arguing on the internet is like winning in the special olympics.
As for the discussion above, TheLearner is correct; wired is the way to go for performance - there is quite a lot of overhead associated with wireless, all of which she's gone into above. Possibly beyond the scope of the original question mind you...which seemed to boil down to 'which has the fastest/best wireless card installed'.
Buggered If I know to be honest. And I'd actually be interested in knowing. I'd also be interested in seeing the performance differences in a built in adapter and a PC card adapter. Both of which will be better than usb. Thinking about it, the built in adapter would almost certainly be mini-pci, so would have an advantage there in bus access, I guess.
Why do you think servers don't tend to use on board network adapters, or wireless adapters, if they a re quicker than the internet connection itself? Given the rats nest that is most comms rooms, you'd think that network admins would jump at the chance to reduce the clutter. Ignoring the interference, which in built up areas is also very real, and WILL hurt performance, it might be because they tend to go for cards with onboard provessors to move as much load away from the CPU as possible. This has a very real benefit; the same goes for wireless cards; the cheap and nasty ones tend to leave a fair bit of work in the drivers for the cpu to do, and the extra load adding some form of security encryption (not many have security on the wireless chipset directly) slows everything down as well.
The DNS comment is also fair; with a crap ISP their servers may be a tad overtaxed, sometimes the public DNS servers may result in a noticable performance increase.
Same also goes for routers - a crap one can slow you down a fair bit. I was running ICS for a while, then built a smoothwall server - bit performance increase, then went to an 'enthusiast router' for another large performace increase.
As a little exercise, try going to the same site at the same time with a laptop cabled directly to the router (no...not a usb cable), and with a laptop connected wirelessly. You might be surprised at the difference.
p.s. The last time someone on PH mentioned their computing degree and 30 years of experience, along with maintaining and moderating a bulletin board, they had to have the use of the quote button explained to them. This was quite a painful exchange to read; the guy never came back. Most people since then have avoided this. This really doesn't seem like a thread worth getting worked up on to me; arguing on the internet is like winning in the special olympics.
Ordinary Bloke said:
The laptop is unlikely to affect the speed of the internet, assuming it's currently for sale, new. The ISP makes all the difference.
Bugger - meant to comment on this as well. Most 'new' laptops come preloaded with a variety of crap to natters incessantly on t'internet. My work laptop is an absolute shitter for this; preloaded with god alone knows what, not helped by having a network that appear to connect by a speed limited modem bank that's routed by cheap russian carrier pigeon.Anyway - it's quite possible to have an older pc that access data more quickly that a newer spec machine.
Edited by Kinky on Sunday 16th December 18:51
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