Huge mistake Nokia

[TonyHetherington]

Ahhh I see - I didn't realise it was a recognised term as such

[TonyToniTone]

Pr1964 said:

Even if they'd carried on with their development of stupid phones the smart phones could still have been a separate line.

Isn't that what they are doing?

http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/11/nokia-reshuffle...

[ZesPak]

lestag said:

http://shop.vodafone.co.uk/shop/mobile-phone/samsu...

http://www.unwiredview.com/2010/11/04/jcb-tradesma...

and dunno how this is branded in UK
http://store.telecom.co.nz/mobile/pay-monthly/tele...

Thanks for the suggestions, though that R54 is very high priced. The JCB TOUGHPHONE Sitemaster would be perfect, but I can't seem to order it outside the uk :/

[lestag]

ZesPak said:

Thanks for the suggestions, though that R54 is very high priced. The JCB TOUGHPHONE Sitemaster would be perfect, but I can't seem to order it outside the uk :/

Heh , assumed you were in uk

a quick google found for: JCB Toughphone Sitemaster

http://www.expansys.be/s.aspx?search=JCB Toughphon...

that R54 is a ZTE communications product based on the user manual, just badged telecom and in NZ$399 , less tax about 180 euros +shipping

Edited by lestag on Wednesday 16th March 01:03

[E21_Ross]

The Nur said:

After the farce that was my N86 (replaced on warranty 10 times) I am never using Nokia again. HTC all the way

fk Windows Mobile as well.

this. well, i had a nokia N96 which got replaced 4 times. just last week replaced it with a HTC desire HD. what a brilliant piece of kit! i didn't want an iphone that everyone else has. also...much prefer the HTC

[clonmult]

E21_Ross said:

The Nur said:

After the farce that was my N86 (replaced on warranty 10 times) I am never using Nokia again. HTC all the way

fk Windows Mobile as well.

this. well, i had a nokia N96 which got replaced 4 times. just last week replaced it with a HTC desire HD. what a brilliant piece of kit! i didn't want an iphone that everyone else has. also...much prefer the HTC

And on the flip side, I've had an N8 since last November.

Its been absolutely perfect. By far and away the best phone I've ever owned, way better than colleagues Android devices (at least on stills, video recording and video playback, battery life, outdoor screen visibility, functionality, call quality)

I couldn't work with Android, although I did prefer it to iOS.

[ZesPak]

clonmult said:

And on the flip side, I've had an N8 since last November.

Its been absolutely perfect. By far and away the best phone I've ever owned, way better than colleagues Android devices (at least on stills, video recording and video playback, battery life, outdoor screen visibility, functionality, call quality)

I couldn't work with Android, although I did prefer it to iOS.

But just to elaborate on that:
1) "on stills, video recording": Nokia HAVE the best camera's on the market, no question about that
2) "battery life": on paper not that much better than equivalent 3,5" phones, but I can imagine the N8 being more frugal on battery
3) "outdoor screen visibility": Far superior because it has an amoled screen, indeed, but it isn't the only phone/manufacturer that uses them so this will be similar across the AMOLED phones
4) "functionality": How do you mean functionality? Are you willing to argue that the N8 has more functionality than your average Android phone?
5) "call quality": can't comment on that, couldn't fault my 3GS nor my Milestone on either

I think that, aside from the camera, a good Android phone will hold it's own, though I admit that the N8 (and Nokia in general) were good to have on the market concerning differentiation and competition. Still, I consider them joining the WP7 boat is better than them joining the Android train.
Android is steaming through mobile phone land and shares are increasing still, iOS has a nice percentage that will drop some more but I reccon it'll hold it's own, WP7 just needs a good nudge, and that'll be provided by Nokia.
That way we'll have 3 major players (Apple, MS, Google) developing mobile phone OS's for us, which I find very good .

[//j17]

Pr1964 said:

Currently they only have the C3-01 as a traditional style keypad top end phone and it's awful. Poor screen poor battery life and without GPS.

Umm, that's because it's NOT a top end phone, it's a C-series (affordable consumer) phone.

If you want a high-end communicator-esque device you will have to wait a few weeks for the release of the E7, and E-series (enterprise class) phone.

[Mr Will]

ZesPak said:

clonmult said:

And on the flip side, I've had an N8 since last November.

Its been absolutely perfect. By far and away the best phone I've ever owned, way better than colleagues Android devices (at least on stills, video recording and video playback, battery life, outdoor screen visibility, functionality, call quality)

I couldn't work with Android, although I did prefer it to iOS.

But just to elaborate on that:
1) "on stills, video recording": Nokia HAVE the best camera's on the market, no question about that
2) "battery life": on paper not that much better than equivalent 3,5" phones, but I can imagine the N8 being more frugal on battery
3) "outdoor screen visibility": Far superior because it has an amoled screen, indeed, but it isn't the only phone/manufacturer that uses them so this will be similar across the AMOLED phones
4) "functionality": How do you mean functionality? Are you willing to argue that the N8 has more functionality than your average Android phone?
5) "call quality": can't comment on that, couldn't fault my 3GS nor my Milestone on either

I think that, aside from the camera, a good Android phone will hold it's own, though I admit that the N8 (and Nokia in general) were good to have on the market concerning differentiation and competition. Still, I consider them joining the WP7 boat is better than them joining the Android train.
Android is steaming through mobile phone land and shares are increasing still, iOS has a nice percentage that will drop some more but I reccon it'll hold it's own, WP7 just needs a good nudge, and that'll be provided by Nokia.
That way we'll have 3 major players (Apple, MS, Google) developing mobile phone OS's for us, which I find very good .

This list is just more evidence that Nokia can still do hardware extremely well (when they set their mind to it at least). The problems they have faced over the past few years have almost entirely been software related. While it's a shame that they never managed to get an OS of their own off the ground, the new partnership with MS could lead to some very good phones appearing over the next few years.

[CommanderJameson]

ZesPak said:

But just to elaborate on that:
1) "on stills, video recording": Nokia HAVE the best camera's on the market, no question about that
2) "battery life": on paper not that much better than equivalent 3,5" phones, but I can imagine the N8 being more frugal on battery
3) "outdoor screen visibility": Far superior because it has an amoled screen, indeed, but it isn't the only phone/manufacturer that uses them so this will be similar across the AMOLED phones
4) "functionality": How do you mean functionality? Are you willing to argue that the N8 has more functionality than your average Android phone?
5) "call quality": can't comment on that, couldn't fault my 3GS nor my Milestone on either

I think that, aside from the camera, a good Android phone will hold it's own, though I admit that the N8 (and Nokia in general) were good to have on the market concerning differentiation and competition. Still, I consider them joining the WP7 boat is better than them joining the Android train.
Android is steaming through mobile phone land and shares are increasing still, iOS has a nice percentage that will drop some more but I reccon it'll hold it's own, WP7 just needs a good nudge, and that'll be provided by Nokia.
That way we'll have 3 major players (Apple, MS, Google) developing mobile phone OS's for us, which I find very good .

Point of order. If the N8 has an AMOLED screen, then it'll be worse for outdoor viewing than an LCD, unless Nokia have discovered some magic way of making AMOLED displays visible in bright sunlight.

[Balmoral Green]

The E7 is a fantastic piece of kit, I have yet to read a bad review of it, most rave about it, or comment favorably at the very least (apart from the OS). The build quality/tactility is apparantly amazing.

Ironically, Nokia still do appear to make the best handset, it just comes with the worst OS

I'll probably be getting an E7 regardless.

[//j17]

Pr1964 said:

The E7 looks like a touch screen.

It has a touch screen but also has a slide-out QWERTY (4-row, sadly no separate number row) keyboard. This could work very well...or very badly, we will only see when we can get our hands on it. Reports are it's one of Nokia's best ever keyboards though.

[ZesPak]

Pr1964 said:

Does anyone know if nokia will be bringing out an E series with a simple alphanumeric keyboard?


Why does nokia keep such a muddled numbering system for their handsets?
It’s just plain confusing.

The E72 and E51 E52 are old models several years old now and yet

The new model is the E7

WTF is that all about

No wonder they are suffering they can’t even fking count !!!

The number system always confused me, even from the 5xxx era

[clonmult]

Balmoral Green said:

The E7 is a fantastic piece of kit, I have yet to read a bad review of it, most rave about it, or comment favorably at the very least (apart from the OS). The build quality/tactility is apparantly amazing.

Ironically, Nokia still do appear to make the best handset, it just comes with the worst OS

I'll probably be getting an E7 regardless.

Thing is that it doesn't have the worst OS.

Its just got the worst camera.

The OS is fine - sure, its lacking in the eye candy, but it does everything else as good as the competition.

[Balmoral Green]

clonmult said:

it does everything else as good as the competition.

For what I'm going to be using it for, I'm sure that's the case. And it certainly looks to be a wonderfully crafted handset of tactile goodness

[Tallbut Buxomly]

[quote=ZesPak]

But just to elaborate on that:
1) "on stills, video recording": Nokia HAVE the best camera's on the market, no question about that
2) "battery life": on paper not that much better than equivalent 3,5" phones, but I can imagine the N8 being more frugal on battery
3) "outdoor screen visibility": Far superior because it has an amoled screen, indeed, but it isn't the only phone/manufacturer that uses them so this will be similar across the AMOLED phones
4) "functionality": How do you mean functionality? Are you willing to argue that the N8 has more functionality than your average Android phone?

[b]I would yes. Camera is excellent.
It can be connected to your tv through hdmi for video or stills/images or gaming or presentations etc.
You can plug a usb stick into the phone and view/edit/copy/sync files etc.
In fact you could do a presentation using a screen or monitor with hdmi and have the files whether video or docs on a usb stick which you can simply plug into the phone whilst doing the presentation.
Do you know of any other phone on the market capable of doing so?

You could argue why would you want or need to but it just gives you that added edge in case lets say your laptop fails when trying to give the presentation you then have your phone as a backup.
My brother who is an attorney got one of his jobs by using his phone.

Got a call from a firm wanting to interview him for a position asking for his cv. It was stored on his email which he simply accessed from his phone emailed to his future employer on the spot whilst sat at the side of the motorway while talking to them. It was cited as one of the primary reasons for getting the job.[/b]

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[ZesPak]

Tallbut Buxomly said:

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[Tallbut Buxomly]

fking thing wont allow me to bold the bit i wrote.

Hateful bd thing. Im sure its my fault but its simply the way my day has gone.

[ZesPak]

ZesPak said:

4) functionality: How do you mean functionality? Are you willing to argue that the N8 has more functionality than your average Android phone?

Tallbut Buxomly said:

I would yes. Camera is excellent.
It can be connected to your tv through hdmi for video or stills/images or gaming or presentations etc.
You can plug a usb stick into the phone and view/edit/copy/sync files etc.
In fact you could do a presentation using a screen or monitor with hdmi and have the files whether video or docs on a usb stick which you can simply plug into the phone whilst doing the presentation.
Do you know of any other phone on the market capable of doing so?

You could argue why would you want or need to but it just gives you that added edge in case lets say your laptop fails when trying to give the presentation you then have your phone as a backup.
My brother who is an attorney got one of his jobs by using his phone.

Got a call from a firm wanting to interview him for a position asking for his cv. It was stored on his email which he simply accessed from his phone emailed to his future employer on the spot whilst sat at the side of the motorway while talking to them. It was cited as one of the primary reasons for getting the job.

That is indeed very nice! I never believed in the "why would you need that" argument either, as it defies the point.
Although, esp on connectivity, I'm quite certain that the Android competition has caught up, the USB stick has only been possible after rooting iirc.
Still, I felt that Symbian was limping behind, and that the joint-venture with MS could actually be a good thing.

Don't forget that Samsung is still making (the imo very terrible) bada phones, and they are selling well. The biggest reason for that afaic is because they make high-end Android phones.

[Tallbut Buxomly]

Dont get me wrong i am not arguing OS just the base abilities of the phone functions wise.

Personally i still prefer symbian to other OS however it is a case of each to their own. I am personally sorry to see nokia getting rid of it but kinda hoping they keep maemo/meego as an option system as not sure i like WM.

I am hoping to get my hands on a communicator soon though simply for the retro chic of it.