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onlynik said:
PJR said:
I wouldn't say I was a mac fanboy. I just consider Apple a bit less evil than Microsoft 
Which is strange, as I class Apple more evil than Microsoft.PJR said:
Noger said:
Yeah, those new Mac Book Pro hard drives "just work" don't they 
And Snow Leopard "just worked" so well at deleting some people's data
The drives do work, don't they? Besides, Apple don't make their own drives. So if there is some problem, you'd be just as likely come across it on a PC. If not more so, considering the ratio of PC to Macs sold. As for the OS and data. Do you actually know anyone this happened to? Even read of it happening to anyone on a forum such as this? I haven't. And Snow Leopard "just worked" so well at deleting some people's data Its like the Mac virus/trojan/malware scares. They get a lot of press. Yet you don't see any real world experiences of it. Just over excited journo's jumping up & down.
BSODs are rare too, I haven't had one for years. And the last time my browser crashed was June 2008.
Vista is not a particularly nice user experience. But it isn't that unstable. And XP, which I have used everyday at work for many years, is bulletproof.
Trotting out advertising mantras just makes you look a bit of an eejit. Like driving a BMW 316 and thinking you have "The Ultimate Driving Machine".
Olivero said:
onlynik said:
PJR said:
I wouldn't say I was a mac fanboy. I just consider Apple a bit less evil than Microsoft
Which is strange, as I class Apple more evil than Microsoft.I've used a variety of Macs and PCs over the years but when it comes to running my business it has to be Macs. When you rely on the computer 100% for your business, first and foremost it must be capable of running 10 hours per day without crashing. In the last six years I have used a Mac, I can probably count on one hand the amount of time it has crashed and required a manual restart.
I think you'll find most people that have switched from PC to Mac will say they wont go back. I doubt many will spend a decent amount of time on a Mac and then switch back to a PC.
I think you'll find most people that have switched from PC to Mac will say they wont go back. I doubt many will spend a decent amount of time on a Mac and then switch back to a PC.
Noger said:
benny.c said:
When you rely on the computer 100% for your business, first and foremost it must be capable of running 10 hours per day without crashing.
Are you saying that no Windows PC is able to run for 10 hours without crashing ? I don't think IE has ever hung on me. Whenever I have had a problem it has always been with a plugin, not with IE itself. I blame MS for letting adobe make plugins for IE.
Noger said:
Trotting out advertising mantras just makes you look a bit of an eejit. Like driving a BMW 316 and thinking you have "The Ultimate Driving Machine".
Surely it's better people post their own actual user experiences, even if it does fit with the advertising. Rather than posting opinions based on no actual experience and internet here-say alone..Okay, this is my 2nd attempt at this post as my 3 day old Windows 7 netbook just crashed and restarted!
I think Windows is a great platform, however the main problem for me is the amount maintenance it requires. When I started up my new netbook for the first time it came with loads of crapware, demo versions of Office AND Works, various vendor software and anti-virus crap to sort out. On first boot it was using 800MB of the 1GB in the machine. 3 days later I've got that down to about 650MB. I've yet to organise some anti-virus / firewall software but that's another job. Add that to the crash a few minutes ago and I'm remembering why my main desktop is a Mac.
I got my iMac about 3 years ago, I've never re-installed the OS (an annual job with Windows) and it still boots in about 20 seconds. I've never had to pay for or use anti-virus or firewall software and I can't recall the last time it crashed/hung.
Additionally, my parents used to have PCs and every couple of weeks they'd call with some problem or other. In the end I got them a mac mini each and I rarely hear anything from them, usually they ask if it's worth getting the latest OS updates and that's it.
So in summary, if you want an easy life and can afford it, get a Mac. If you want to play games and don't mind rebuilding every year or so by all means get a PC but don't forget to factor in the cost of anti-virus/firewall software.
I think Windows is a great platform, however the main problem for me is the amount maintenance it requires. When I started up my new netbook for the first time it came with loads of crapware, demo versions of Office AND Works, various vendor software and anti-virus crap to sort out. On first boot it was using 800MB of the 1GB in the machine. 3 days later I've got that down to about 650MB. I've yet to organise some anti-virus / firewall software but that's another job. Add that to the crash a few minutes ago and I'm remembering why my main desktop is a Mac.
I got my iMac about 3 years ago, I've never re-installed the OS (an annual job with Windows) and it still boots in about 20 seconds. I've never had to pay for or use anti-virus or firewall software and I can't recall the last time it crashed/hung.
Additionally, my parents used to have PCs and every couple of weeks they'd call with some problem or other. In the end I got them a mac mini each and I rarely hear anything from them, usually they ask if it's worth getting the latest OS updates and that's it.
So in summary, if you want an easy life and can afford it, get a Mac. If you want to play games and don't mind rebuilding every year or so by all means get a PC but don't forget to factor in the cost of anti-virus/firewall software.
PJR said:
Noger said:
Trotting out advertising mantras just makes you look a bit of an eejit. Like driving a BMW 316 and thinking you have "The Ultimate Driving Machine".
Surely it's better people post their own actual user experiences, even if it does fit with the advertising. Rather than posting opinions based on no actual experience and internet here-say alone..More specifically, iMac vs Windows 7 All in One.
I posted a few days ago about the Sony All In One. So gave my "own actual user experiences". How many of the meetoo-meetoo posters have even used Windows 7 ? Given they think PCs crash and BSOD every 5 minutes, I doubt many of them.
Perhaps it might actually be better to read threads, rather than seeing " xxxx or Mac" and just posting "Oh yes, Mac, everyday" no matter what the xxxxx in question. That way you won't come across as quite so asinine.
benny.c said:
When you rely on the computer 100% for your business, first and foremost it must be capable of running 10 hours per day without crashing.
You are having a laugh aren't you? A large proportion of crashes are caused through hardware, or user error, I'd hazard a guess to say that it's so hard to crash a Mac because you are so restricted as to what settings you can play with Plus, most of the Windows crashes I've seen have been when running cutting edge games, won't be seeing that on a Mac will you?
If you want stability, run a Linux based system and buy a book, I've got an iPhone and I still thing Macs are for people who just want to use it and don't give a s
t about what's under the hood. They are the Daewoo Matiz of computing to me Noger said:
PJR said:
Noger said:
Trotting out advertising mantras just makes you look a bit of an eejit. Like driving a BMW 316 and thinking you have "The Ultimate Driving Machine".
Surely it's better people post their own actual user experiences, even if it does fit with the advertising. Rather than posting opinions based on no actual experience and internet here-say alone..More specifically, iMac vs Windows 7 All in One.
I posted a few days ago about the Sony All In One. So gave my "own actual user experiences". How many of the meetoo-meetoo posters have even used Windows 7 ? Given they think PCs crash and BSOD every 5 minutes, I doubt many of them.
Perhaps it might actually be better to read threads, rather than seeing " xxxx or Mac" and just posting "Oh yes, Mac, everyday" no matter what the xxxxx in question. That way you won't come across as quite so asinine.
Yes, I understand what the OP was asking, and I answered with a suitable reply. All I did was point out there there is nothing wrong with people posting their own positive experiences. Who cares if it fits with the advertising or not? Just so long as its their own actual experience, rather than internet here-say, which you seem content to base your opinions off.
t84 said:
benny.c said:
When you rely on the computer 100% for your business, first and foremost it must be capable of running 10 hours per day without crashing.
You are having a laugh aren't you? A large proportion of crashes are caused through hardware, or user error, I'd hazard a guess to say that it's so hard to crash a Mac because you are so restricted as to what settings you can play with Plus, most of the Windows crashes I've seen have been when running cutting edge games, won't be seeing that on a Mac will you?
If you want stability, run a Linux based system and buy a book, I've got an iPhone and I still thing Macs are for people who just want to use it and don't give a s
t about what's under the hood. They are the Daewoo Matiz of computing to me 
I like Macs precisely because I don't give a s
t about what makes computers work. They are appliances. Like all appliances, I expect them to work at all times, on my demand. Macs are better at being utterly taken for granted, compared to PC's. Therefore, they are superior as far as I am concerned.
I don't think there is a car analogy that works with computing. A computer these days is more like a white good, a tumble dryer perhaps. People just want them to work and there is hell to pay when they don't.
PJR said:
Noger said:
PJR said:
Noger said:
Trotting out advertising mantras just makes you look a bit of an eejit. Like driving a BMW 316 and thinking you have "The Ultimate Driving Machine".
Surely it's better people post their own actual user experiences, even if it does fit with the advertising. Rather than posting opinions based on no actual experience and internet here-say alone..More specifically, iMac vs Windows 7 All in One.
I posted a few days ago about the Sony All In One. So gave my "own actual user experiences". How many of the meetoo-meetoo posters have even used Windows 7 ? Given they think PCs crash and BSOD every 5 minutes, I doubt many of them.
Perhaps it might actually be better to read threads, rather than seeing " xxxx or Mac" and just posting "Oh yes, Mac, everyday" no matter what the xxxxx in question. That way you won't come across as quite so asinine.
Yes, I understand what the OP was asking, and I answered with a suitable reply. All I did was point out there there is nothing wrong with people posting their own positive experiences. Who cares if it fits with the advertising or not? Just so long as its their own actual experience, rather than internet here-say, which you seem content to base your opinions off.
Nice try though. So off you toddle and poke a toad with a stick, or whatever you people do.
I've got a 27" imac and a windows 7 powered PC sat next to eachother as I type this.
I've used macs before over the last few years so it's not a new experience for me. A couple of my mates have recently bought macbook pros and found the learning curve to be a very easy one to get over. I seem to remember having little trouble grasping them.
The new imac is VERY sexy. The 27" is quite overbearing but I like it a lot, it feels twice the size of the 24" panels I use on my windows PC. The new mouse is very good, certainly the best I've used. Normally use a logitech dinovo desktop but have taken to the somewhat strange Mac affair. It's bloody fast, which I like, and despite all my efforts, 8GB of Ram and all the trimmings windows never seemed to manage. Snow Leopard is a doddle to use, and everything [for me at least] is where I'd expect and want it to be. It's greased lightning when it comes to opening programs, as well as booting and shutting down. It's a joy to browse the net on too.
The windows machine is pretty good. The operating system is the only new component in it. The Vista user it'll feel fairly familiar. It's certainly a lot less of a resource eater than Vista was, and feels a little more polished and thought out. I haven't had the 'oh wow, it's so much faster' feeling that others seem to get, but it's marginally quicker at some things like basic navigation through the operating system. It has a few nice touches.
Personally, I far prefer the iMac, it's a total joy to use. I'm not an Apple fanboy nor one of those all to quick to jump on the 'I hate M$' bandwagon, and never really had too big of a problem with Vista Ultimate, but the Apple serves it up a very sharp lesson in user-orientated design, and looks far prettier too, whilst being noticably quicker for just about everything despite being the under-powered machine compared to my windows PC.
I've used macs before over the last few years so it's not a new experience for me. A couple of my mates have recently bought macbook pros and found the learning curve to be a very easy one to get over. I seem to remember having little trouble grasping them.
The new imac is VERY sexy. The 27" is quite overbearing but I like it a lot, it feels twice the size of the 24" panels I use on my windows PC. The new mouse is very good, certainly the best I've used. Normally use a logitech dinovo desktop but have taken to the somewhat strange Mac affair. It's bloody fast, which I like, and despite all my efforts, 8GB of Ram and all the trimmings windows never seemed to manage. Snow Leopard is a doddle to use, and everything [for me at least] is where I'd expect and want it to be. It's greased lightning when it comes to opening programs, as well as booting and shutting down. It's a joy to browse the net on too.
The windows machine is pretty good. The operating system is the only new component in it. The Vista user it'll feel fairly familiar. It's certainly a lot less of a resource eater than Vista was, and feels a little more polished and thought out. I haven't had the 'oh wow, it's so much faster' feeling that others seem to get, but it's marginally quicker at some things like basic navigation through the operating system. It has a few nice touches.
Personally, I far prefer the iMac, it's a total joy to use. I'm not an Apple fanboy nor one of those all to quick to jump on the 'I hate M$' bandwagon, and never really had too big of a problem with Vista Ultimate, but the Apple serves it up a very sharp lesson in user-orientated design, and looks far prettier too, whilst being noticably quicker for just about everything despite being the under-powered machine compared to my windows PC.
I have an iMac at home and a Windows 7 laptop and a Vista PC for work. I am an IT pro and work with various flavours of Windows all day, including their Server software. I much prefer the iMac.
I think the main problem with MS stuff is that everyone tries to attack it so you have to have AV, Spyware, Malware software etc which slows everything down to a point where it's irritating. Im sure without all this extra software MS would be just as good as OS X in terms of reliability especially if users stuck to recommended hardware that MS suggests. The design of Apple stuff is much better, my iMac is virtually silent and there is one lead to connect to mains. It starts and shuts down very quickly and there are hardly any updates pestering to be done.
If you can afford it buy an iMac, they're great.
I think the main problem with MS stuff is that everyone tries to attack it so you have to have AV, Spyware, Malware software etc which slows everything down to a point where it's irritating. Im sure without all this extra software MS would be just as good as OS X in terms of reliability especially if users stuck to recommended hardware that MS suggests. The design of Apple stuff is much better, my iMac is virtually silent and there is one lead to connect to mains. It starts and shuts down very quickly and there are hardly any updates pestering to be done.
If you can afford it buy an iMac, they're great.
Charlie Brooker sums it up pretty well.
Brooker said:
I know Windows is awful. Everyone knows Windows is awful. Windows is like the faint smell of piss in a subway: it's there, and there's nothing you can do about it. OK, OK: I know other operating systems are available. But their advocates seem even creepier, snootier and more insistent than Mac owners. The harder they try to convince me, the more I'm repelled.
I have a Mac (Snow Leopard) and a PC (Windows 7). They all do pretty much the same basics in pretty much the same ways these days.
If you like gaming, get a PC. Gaming on a Mac is limited to fewer titles (but those available work, erm, pretty much the same as they do on the PC).
If you like Media, music, TV streaming then get a Mac. Stuff seems to hang together better and be easier to manage.
Price point is the big decider. For more wonga, you get a more solid feel and a general nicer asthetic from the Apple hardware.
You can't go wrong with either though to be honest.
If you like gaming, get a PC. Gaming on a Mac is limited to fewer titles (but those available work, erm, pretty much the same as they do on the PC).
If you like Media, music, TV streaming then get a Mac. Stuff seems to hang together better and be easier to manage.
Price point is the big decider. For more wonga, you get a more solid feel and a general nicer asthetic from the Apple hardware.
You can't go wrong with either though to be honest.
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