Nvidia RTX 4000 Launch
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I think these two images sum it up perfectly
MSRP Founders Edition 4080 and 4090
Then an ASUS RTX 4080 ROG Strix & MSI RTX 4080 Suprim X at £1,649 (exactly £1000 more than 3080 MSRP) and £1,679. Just under 4090 MSRP.
And then an ASUS Tuf Gaming RTX 4090 available from Scan and Box for the same MSRP of the FE above at £1,699.
There are Gigabyte and Zotac 4090s available for MSRP too.
MSRP Founders Edition 4080 and 4090
Then an ASUS RTX 4080 ROG Strix & MSI RTX 4080 Suprim X at £1,649 (exactly £1000 more than 3080 MSRP) and £1,679. Just under 4090 MSRP.
And then an ASUS Tuf Gaming RTX 4090 available from Scan and Box for the same MSRP of the FE above at £1,699.
There are Gigabyte and Zotac 4090s available for MSRP too.
I decided to watch a 4080 scalper sale on Ebay to see what happens.
Maybe they will get the idea, although someone still paid £1250 for it (£16 below MSRP what the scalper paid) but the scalper will pay 12.8% ebay fees so takes just £1090, minus cost of postage which was offered for free.
Maybe they will get the idea, although someone still paid £1250 for it (£16 below MSRP what the scalper paid) but the scalper will pay 12.8% ebay fees so takes just £1090, minus cost of postage which was offered for free.
FourWheelDrift said:
I decided to watch a 4080 scalper sale on Ebay to see what happens.
Maybe they will get the idea, although someone still paid £1250 for it (£16 below MSRP what the scalper paid) but the scalper will pay 12.8% ebay fees so takes just £1090, minus cost of postage which was offered for free.
I watched this same one!Maybe they will get the idea, although someone still paid £1250 for it (£16 below MSRP what the scalper paid) but the scalper will pay 12.8% ebay fees so takes just £1090, minus cost of postage which was offered for free.
Mr Whippy said:
Given my ~ £300pcm energy bills at home, I’d be thinking long and hard on a £1,500 gpu that largely is not much better than a £750 one except in testing metrics, and adds £££ to my leccy bill!
50 series will hopefully be like 9x to 10x were on bang per watt.
If I ever manage to get my hands on a 4090 FE I will power limit it to ~75%, keep frame rate capped at 144fps, and maybe undervolt it at the same time. If you're willing to fiddle the efficiency on the new cards can be exceptional and they run super cool. It's the same with CPUs this generation as well. Nvidia/AMD/Intel have all ignored concerns around diminishing returns in order to get their hardware to the top of the chart. If you cut it back to where power usage 'should' be you end up with decent efficiency for the performance on offer.50 series will hopefully be like 9x to 10x were on bang per watt.
Mr Whippy said:
Given my ~ £300pcm energy bills at home, I’d be thinking long and hard on a £1,500 gpu that largely is not much better than a £750 one except in testing metrics, and adds £££ to my leccy bill!
50 series will hopefully be like 9x to 10x were on bang per watt.
The 4000 series appears to be quite a bit more power efficient than the 3000 series when targetting a specific level of performance ... it's just that they will also deliver much more total performance which means burning more watts of electricity if you want to max the cards out ...50 series will hopefully be like 9x to 10x were on bang per watt.
Brainpox said:
If I ever manage to get my hands on a 4090 FE I will power limit it to ~75%, keep frame rate capped at 144fps, and maybe undervolt it at the same time. If you're willing to fiddle the efficiency on the new cards can be exceptional and they run super cool. It's the same with CPUs this generation as well. Nvidia/AMD/Intel have all ignored concerns around diminishing returns in order to get their hardware to the top of the chart. If you cut it back to where power usage 'should' be you end up with decent efficiency for the performance on offer.
Yeah, extracting those last few percentage points of potential performance massively ups power consumption in just about any silicon chip.Unfortunately its all about marketing 'the absolute best performance' now, so in CPUs and GPUs the emphasis is on winning the benchmark battle whilst absolutely guzzling electricity and requiring extensive cooling systems.
simonwhite2000 said:
Surely the 4080 has to price drop soon? I am no expert on these things but if they are not selling as planned right at launch, it cant be long until they fall.
If they are really pig-headed only when the supply of 3090/3090Ti cards has gone and they are still trying to shift Ti cards at £1,149, the FE cards have been permanently available since summer at least.Mr Whippy said:
Given my ~ £300pcm energy bills at home, I’d be thinking long and hard on a £1,500 gpu that largely is not much better than a £750 one except in testing metrics, and adds £££ to my leccy bill!
50 series will hopefully be like 9x to 10x were on bang per watt.
My 4090 is a lot more efficient than my 3090 ever was, in my use it's pulling around 250w whilst gaming and if I was the reduce the performance to 3090 levels I'm sure it would be pulling sub 200w.50 series will hopefully be like 9x to 10x were on bang per watt.
The new generation of GDDR6X memory is tonnes more efficient than the stuff on the 30 series which used to pull 100w alone. The 40 series cards 80%-90% of the power budget is going straight to the die which is why the coolers are MASSIVE. I read somewhere that because much more power is going to the die a 4090 at 500w is like running a 30 series card at 900w so the coolers have to be huge.
Lucas Ayde said:
The 4000 series appears to be quite a bit more power efficient than the 3000 series when targetting a specific level of performance ... it's just that they will also deliver much more total performance which means burning more watts of electricity if you want to max the cards out ...
i noticed this, i have 32gb ram, 3 ssd, 3 M.2, 11 RGB fans AIO, 4090 and doing normal office stuff the whole system is only using 135w, playing minecraft in 4k max settings at 120fps the whole system only uses 225wFourWheelDrift said:
simonwhite2000 said:
Surely the 4080 has to price drop soon? I am no expert on these things but if they are not selling as planned right at launch, it cant be long until they fall.
If they are really pig-headed only when the supply of 3090/3090Ti cards has gone and they are still trying to shift Ti cards at £1,149, the FE cards have been permanently available since summer at least.As it stands though, anything from a 3060Ti through to 3080 (Founders Edition versions at RRP) would still represent decent value relative to what else is out there. NVidia clearly don't want to price the RTX4000s anywhere close to them.
Newegg in the USA has been having a lot of RTX 4080s returned because the scalpers have been unable to sell them for profit on Ebay to genuine customers. Newegg are getting fed up with it and are making it difficult. Great, Newegg who have been screwing over genuine customers for years now are getting into a fight with scalpers who have been screwing over genuine customers for years.
Non-refundable refund for RTX 4080 cards at Newegg.
Non-refundable refund for RTX 4080 cards at Newegg.
FourWheelDrift said:
Newegg in the USA has been having a lot of RTX 4080s returned because the scalpers have been unable to sell them for profit on Ebay to genuine customers. Newegg are getting fed up with it and are making it difficult. Great, Newegg who have been screwing over genuine customers for years now are getting into a fight with scalpers who have been screwing over genuine customers for years.
It's pretty mental that you can just go into a shop, snap something up with the intention of flipping it on eBay for a big profit but just return it for a full no-questions asked refund if it doesn't sell for the profit you wanted.No wonder there is so much scalping, you'd almost be stupid not to try if you saw a card on the shelf.
Despite the complaints about the tight scheme NVidia were operating with Scan for FE cards, at least they pretty much stopped mass scalping and gave people a shot at getting a card at a time when they were like hen's teeth. You still saw some people flipping them for cash on eBay after every drop but at least they had to take their chances of getting one, and only one, along with everyone else. Amazon was a Wild West - I lost count of the number of times I got alerts about AIB cards there and they were gone by the time I could click on the link.
RTX 4080 UK MSRP has quietly been lowered to £1,199
https://store.nvidia.com/en-gb/geforce/store/?page...
Nothing to do with AMD's soon to be released 7900 XTX, no not at all, never.
Also, scalpers just died.
RTX 4090 dropped to £1,599 as well.
https://store.nvidia.com/en-gb/geforce/store/?page...
Nothing to do with AMD's soon to be released 7900 XTX, no not at all, never.
Also, scalpers just died.
RTX 4090 dropped to £1,599 as well.
Edited by FourWheelDrift on Monday 5th December 14:06
Dave Hedgehog said:
i noticed this, i have 32gb ram, 3 ssd, 3 M.2, 11 RGB fans AIO, 4090 and doing normal office stuff the whole system is only using 135w, playing minecraft in 4k max settings at 120fps the whole system only uses 225w
A 4090 for Minecraft? Jesus wept. 
Think the FE prices have dropped slightly due to the exchange rate improvement rather than any competition from AMD.
HRL said:
A 4090 for Minecraft? Jesus wept.
Think the FE prices have dropped slightly due to the exchange rate improvement rather than any competition from AMD.
its primarily for RTX cyberpunk and satisfactory Think the FE prices have dropped slightly due to the exchange rate improvement rather than any competition from AMD.
my grandsons 5 and into minecraft on his iPad so I setup a little base with some animals for him to mess about on
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