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OK this one is excellent. The dynamic range is superb and compares with the kind of stuff I would be happy to send a customer. I would love to download a full-size version to see the level of detail properly. Maybe if my camera packs up on a job I can use my 1020 and downscale it to match the D800E we normally use
OK this one is excellent. The dynamic range is superb and compares with the kind of stuff I would be happy to send a customer. I would love to download a full-size version to see the level of detail properly. Maybe if my camera packs up on a job I can use my 1020 and downscale it to match the D800E we normally use
Ok found one, first the D800E whole picture and crop to about 800 pixels from the middle, then the same with a Lumia 1020 full-rez picture. The D800E is a full-rez high quality JPEG processed from a RAW and I tried to choose one with a similar field of view
The fact that it even bears comparison is incredible to me. Suprisingly the focus from the 1020 doesn't fall off too badly into the corners either. Hope this is interesting for you.
The fact that it even bears comparison is incredible to me. Suprisingly the focus from the 1020 doesn't fall off too badly into the corners either. Hope this is interesting for you.
wolves_wanderer said:
The fact that it even bears comparison is incredible to me. Suprisingly the focus from the 1020 doesn't fall off too badly into the corners either. Hope this is interesting for you.
You never saw any images from the 808, did you? The 808 has had this level of clarity (arguably more if some are to be believed) and has been on the market for a year.When I first bought it, I wandered around taking various pictures with the 808 and my DSLR (older device - Sony Alpha 200) and the 808 equalled the DSLR for image quality. Obviously lacks in creative control, as there is no aperture control available on either the 808 or the 1020.
Having such a quality camera on you at all times is pretty useful .....
clonmult said:
You never saw any images from the 808, did you? The 808 has had this level of clarity (arguably more if some are to be believed) and has been on the market for a year.
Yeah, I was on the verge of buying one and read all the reviews. I wasn't implying that the 1020 was the first with this level of quality. 
wolves_wanderer said:
clonmult said:
You never saw any images from the 808, did you? The 808 has had this level of clarity (arguably more if some are to be believed) and has been on the market for a year.
Yeah, I was on the verge of buying one and read all the reviews. I wasn't implying that the 1020 was the first with this level of quality. 
The 808 is a cracking camera, can also occasionally be used for calls and social networking type things if you're so inclined ... I'm patiently awaiting independent comparisons, but so far while the 1020 looks good, the 808 still appears to be able to take better pictures.
One of Nokias official photos
And one taken by some other bloke
The 1020 shot looks pretty good, but the 808 shot is definitely better. Although different subjects, and reckon the 808 must have been on a tripod - but still, its better.
giblet said:
Was the 808 pic tweaked on a pc before being uploaded to Flickr? I'm not that familiar with Flickr but the exif data for that shot mentions Gimp 2.8.0
Could have been a bit, but I've had similar quality night shots out of the 808 on a tripod without editing - although at the time I was doing light trails from a motorway bridge.clonmult said:
Could have been a bit, but I've had similar quality night shots out of the 808 on a tripod without editing - although at the time I was doing light trails from a motorway bridge.
Any links to your 808 pics? I'm useless at photography, purchased a Sony NEX5n last year but sold it a few months later as I rarely took it out with me and used it. I seem to take all my shots on my phone so the 1020 looks like the ideal handset for me. I'm thinking I could end up learning some tricks with the manual controls and then buy a second hand dslr to complement it. I wonder if the picture quality might be improved with future firmware updates for the 1020. giblet said:
clonmult said:
Could have been a bit, but I've had similar quality night shots out of the 808 on a tripod without editing - although at the time I was doing light trails from a motorway bridge.
Any links to your 808 pics? I'm useless at photography, purchased a Sony NEX5n last year but sold it a few months later as I rarely took it out with me and used it. I seem to take all my shots on my phone so the 1020 looks like the ideal handset for me. I'm thinking I could end up learning some tricks with the manual controls and then buy a second hand dslr to complement it. I wonder if the picture quality might be improved with future firmware updates for the 1020. However I do have a few others. And of course, this is assuming the 1020 gives similar results to the 808 (so far it seems to, maybe not quite as good - but 98% there)
time lapse of the M3 - a series of shots (808 has a timed exposure option - take x shots at y intervals), all done with the ND filter to enforce mild light trails. No ND filter on the 1020, but may be other ways of getting similar results.
Thistle, taken earlier today.
Icicles, taken earlier this year.
One of the individual shots from the light trails video - really not happy with the shot, but it works ok in the video.
Penny arcade - ND filter on to enforce longer shutter.
1020 is a compromise, the management of Nokia ordered their engineers to put 41 MP in a 10 mm thick body at all costs.
Then they had to go with BSI sensor(which is better in theory but still undeveloped technology) to pack so many pixels in a small sensor. There was no place for dedicated DSP so oversampling is not even close to 808 levels etc.
Nevertheless it's an interesting device.
Then they had to go with BSI sensor(which is better in theory but still undeveloped technology) to pack so many pixels in a small sensor. There was no place for dedicated DSP so oversampling is not even close to 808 levels etc.
Nevertheless it's an interesting device.
The 1020 add on camera 'thing' also has an internally threaded boss so you can use it on a tripod. I haven't find it will have a self timer function but unlike my trusty N8 it doesn't have a mini HDMI port.
So 32Gb max and no facility to put in a micro SD or pay more to get 64Gb.
Probably be a year before I can buy one outright SIM free.
So 32Gb max and no facility to put in a micro SD or pay more to get 64Gb.
Probably be a year before I can buy one outright SIM free.
AreOut said:
1020 is a compromise, the management of Nokia ordered their engineers to put 41 MP in a 10 mm thick body at all costs.
Then they had to go with BSI sensor(which is better in theory but still undeveloped technology) to pack so many pixels in a small sensor. There was no place for dedicated DSP so oversampling is not even close to 808 levels etc.
Nevertheless it's an interesting device.
That is pretty much what I was thinking - no dedicated DSP, so doing 808 levels of oversampling would take a lot of time. And as its configured to save a 5mp and full resolution still each time (say 2mb and 10mb each), that takes quite a time to save. No rapid fire shots in sequence ...Then they had to go with BSI sensor(which is better in theory but still undeveloped technology) to pack so many pixels in a small sensor. There was no place for dedicated DSP so oversampling is not even close to 808 levels etc.
Nevertheless it's an interesting device.
I have absolutely no doubt that the 1020 is going to have the best camera in any production mobile by a fair margin. The 808 doesn't count now, as they stopped production last year.
Review from Engadget - http://www.engadget.com/2013/07/24/nokia-lumia-102...
Edit - review roundup http://dlvr.it/3hsdL6
Edit - review roundup http://dlvr.it/3hsdL6
Edited by giblet on Wednesday 24th July 08:21
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