Nvidia RTX 4000 Launch

[FourWheelDrift]

8GB 4060 Ti getting trashed by everyone who isn't in bed with Nvidia.

example 1 of many

Edited by FourWheelDrift on Tuesday 23 May 17:15

[Shadow R1]

If I'm picking up on the hints right, the amd competitor isn't far off.

[FourWheelDrift]

Shadow R1 said:

If I'm picking up on the hints right, the amd competitor isn't far off.

Yes, the much cheaper previous generation RX 6700 XT.

RX 7600 will be too.

[FourWheelDrift]

I'm sensing another unlaunch.

[tommytaylor]

How do you justify buying something like a 4090 at £1600 and upwards? I cant say I need one but I want one and keep looking at them on Scan and Overclockers, I can afford one but I just can't physically press the "pay now" button, my sanity check won't let me do it. I bought a 1080ti a few years ago and paid £800 for that, then in Sept 2021 I paid £1350 for a 3080ti, its not two years old yet, to spend another £1600 or more on yet another GPU would be total and utter stupidity wouldn't it?

[Brainpox]

tommytaylor said:

How do you justify buying something like a 4090 at £1600 and upwards? I cant say I need one but I want one and keep looking at them on Scan and Overclockers, I can afford one but I just can't physically press the "pay now" button, my sanity check won't let me do it. I bought a 1080ti a few years ago and paid £800 for that, then in Sept 2021 I paid £1350 for a 3080ti, its not two years old yet, to spend another £1600 or more on yet another GPU would be total and utter stupidity wouldn't it?

Overspending on a 3080ti is your problem although you weren't the only one. The 3080ti doesn't offer much over a 3080 which means resale values/demand is low. The cost to change will be significant for you.

I 'justified' the 4090 because it isn't just a small step over a 4080, it's massive. It runs cool and quiet and smashes everything you can throw at it. I typically play at 1440p but it means it can run Cyberpunk with path tracing at over 100fps. I can hook it up to my 4k TV and play a lot of games at 120hz easily. All other options feel like a compromise in that you lose more performance relative to the price.

Man maths - I've stopped spending silly money on cars and this is a cheaper vice (£1600 won't get you a set of OZ Ultraleggeras).

[robbiekhan]

My old card was a 3080 Ti FE which was RMAd by Nvidia and then I recently sold the replacement for £725, then sold the old 3080 Ti's box alone for £20 - I use my rig for productivity as well as casual gaming, so for me the 4090 pays for itself over a short space of time, also it's on the books so at least there's no VAT involved.

My Lightroom exports and video encodes are much faster now than with the 3080 Ti. Where I was getting encode rates at 100fps before, I now get 200fps, 1000 RAW photos processed can now export to 100% JPEG in around 10 minutes, and then there's the power efficiency advances. This card is running up to 350 watts now with a power limit set at 70% whilst still being twice as fast (or more) in games than the 3080 Ti in pure raster performance, the fans run at 1100rpm vs the 3080 Ti FE's 1700rpm+

A power limit at 70% vs 100% only makes up to 5% loss in framerates in actual games. Basically nothing when you're in the high hundreds of fps so it's a no brainer to benefit from this. The 4090 was simply overspecced for power by Nvidia in the off chance that RDNA3 ended up being legit competition, but that turned out not to be the case so here we are with cards that are 450 watts without needing to be.

Edited by robbiekhan on Tuesday 23 May 23:12

[julian64]

robbiekhan said:

They will ride the frame generation PR wave with the lower 40 cards. Games like Cyberpunk etc double the fps pretty much with no downsides realistically speaking. It is game changing tech for sure, but they will gimp the spec because they know FG will up the frames easily and casual gamers will be all for it.

I'm loving the 4090 Zotac Trinity though, got it at FE price so am fine with that, and it's quieter than FE as it has the dual BIOS modes for quiet at all times operation inc stop fan as per the norm.

Blimey you are a braver man than me. I would go a long way not to use braided cable in my computer setups

[thatsprettyshady]

julian64 said:

robbiekhan said:

They will ride the frame generation PR wave with the lower 40 cards. Games like Cyberpunk etc double the fps pretty much with no downsides realistically speaking. It is game changing tech for sure, but they will gimp the spec because they know FG will up the frames easily and casual gamers will be all for it.

I'm loving the 4090 Zotac Trinity though, got it at FE price so am fine with that, and it's quieter than FE as it has the dual BIOS modes for quiet at all times operation inc stop fan as per the norm.

Blimey you are a braver man than me. I would go a long way not to use braided cable in my computer setups

Thats just fancy sleeving that Arctic have on their coolers, it's plastic.

[FourWheelDrift]

I wonder what the highest above MSRP price will be for a 4060 Ti. All listed waiting to be in stock.

https://www.ebuyer.com/store/Components/cat/Graphi...
https://www.scan.co.uk/shop/computer-hardware/gpu-...
https://www.cclonline.com/pc-components/graphics-c...
https://www.awd-it.co.uk/catalogsearch/result/?q=4...

[FourWheelDrift]

Based on GN's 4060 Ti 8GB teardown the 8GB PCB is maxxed out on VRAM so the 16GB variant coming has to be a different PCB design, not a knee jerk reaction to the market and a quick increase in VRAM solution. Which actually makes Nvidia's decision odd, it's planned.

@ 11:00



It only has four possible locations for VRAM, can you get 4GB VRAM chips? 2GB VRAM chips were only introduced at the end of the 30xx series run and are used in the 4080 and 4090 (also 3090 ti?)

Edited by FourWheelDrift on Wednesday 24th May 10:37

[8bit]

julian64 said:

Blimey you are a braver man than me. I would go a long way not to use braided cable in my computer setups

Genuine question - why?

[FourWheelDrift]

FourWheelDrift said:

Shadow R1 said:

If I'm picking up on the hints right, the amd competitor isn't far off.

Yes, the much cheaper previous generation RX 6700 XT.

RX 7600 will be too.

Or maybe not, RX 7600 launch is a disaster too.

[FourWheelDrift]

FourWheelDrift said:

I wonder what the highest above MSRP price will be for a 4060 Ti. All listed waiting to be in stock.

https://www.ebuyer.com/store/Components/cat/Graphi...
https://www.scan.co.uk/shop/computer-hardware/gpu-...
https://www.cclonline.com/pc-components/graphics-c...
https://www.awd-it.co.uk/catalogsearch/result/?q=4...

Looks like at the moment is £489.99 for a TUF Gaming 4060 Ti (FE is £389). Cheapest 4070 is £562.94.

[robbiekhan]

Yes indeed, the braided bit is just sleeves that Arctic use. My old Corsair AIO was the same just all black lol.

[Whoozit]

Lols at the price. What on earth do you need that for??

I'm getting 80-100 fps in Overwatch 2 on Ultimate settings with an overclocked GTX970 in a 10+ year old case and mboard, Temps staying under 80C. The cpu recently upgraded from a i5-2600K to a i7-3770, getting a smaller cooler in the process. I'm waiting on new silent case fans to improve airflow but otherwise not seeing the need for more graphics power.

[FourWheelDrift]

Overwatch 2 isn't a very demanding game.

[Brainpox]

Whoozit said:

Lols at the price. What on earth do you need that for??

I'm getting 80-100 fps in Overwatch 2 on Ultimate settings with an overclocked GTX970 in a 10+ year old case and mboard, Temps staying under 80C. The cpu recently upgraded from a i5-2600K to a i7-3770, getting a smaller cooler in the process. I'm waiting on new silent case fans to improve airflow but otherwise not seeing the need for more graphics power.

You are playing a storefront game designed to run on a potato. Try running Cyberpunk with RT and then you might see why some people want to upgrade

[Whoozit]

Brainpox said:

Whoozit said:

Lols at the price. What on earth do you need that for??

I'm getting 80-100 fps in Overwatch 2 on Ultimate settings with an overclocked GTX970 in a 10+ year old case and mboard, Temps staying under 80C. The cpu recently upgraded from a i5-2600K to a i7-3770, getting a smaller cooler in the process. I'm waiting on new silent case fans to improve airflow but otherwise not seeing the need for more graphics power.

You are playing a storefront game designed to run on a potato. Try running Cyberpunk with RT and then you might see why some people want to upgrade

I've played Cyberpunk and got an acceptable 40-50fps on medium. However not impressed with the control system at all. RT would make zero difference to the gameplay experience.

But sure, spend three times the cost of all other components on a graphics card. Or spring for a (also graphics-limited) games machine.

[Brainpox]

Whoozit said:

Brainpox said:

Whoozit said:

Lols at the price. What on earth do you need that for??

I'm getting 80-100 fps in Overwatch 2 on Ultimate settings with an overclocked GTX970 in a 10+ year old case and mboard, Temps staying under 80C. The cpu recently upgraded from a i5-2600K to a i7-3770, getting a smaller cooler in the process. I'm waiting on new silent case fans to improve airflow but otherwise not seeing the need for more graphics power.

You are playing a storefront game designed to run on a potato. Try running Cyberpunk with RT and then you might see why some people want to upgrade

I've played Cyberpunk and got an acceptable 40-50fps on medium. However not impressed with the control system at all. RT would make zero difference to the gameplay experience.

But sure, spend three times the cost of all other components on a graphics card. Or spring for a (also graphics-limited) games machine.

If you're not bothered about graphics fidelity, and can't see why someone else is, I'm not sure why you're in a thread about the latest graphics cards