Directional building to building Wifi

Directional building to building Wifi

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megaphone

10,803 posts

253 months

Tuesday 15th July 2014
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I would go for the Loco M5s, the main advantage of the Nanostation is the twin ethernet port, allows you to power a camera or another AP off the second port, you don't need that, two Loco M5s will work a treat.

Set them up before you mount them, just across a room, they have automatic settings and will adjust for distance, use Airmax which is usually on by default and 'bind' the AP to the Station. There's also other neat features like frequency shifting that can help in congested areas. Best use a static IP or reserve them an IP, easier to log on for adjustments (playing!)


TheExcession

11,669 posts

252 months

Wednesday 16th July 2014
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megaphone said:
I would go for the Loco M5s, the main advantage of the Nanostation is the twin ethernet port, allows you to power a camera or another AP off the second port, you don't need that, two Loco M5s will work a treat.

Set them up before you mount them, just across a room, they have automatic settings and will adjust for distance, use Airmax which is usually on by default and 'bind' the AP to the Station. There's also other neat features like frequency shifting that can help in congested areas. Best use a static IP or reserve them an IP, easier to log on for adjustments (playing!)
Unfortunately the above advice is the general cr4p that you often read on the Internet.

AirMax priority is for a 'many to one' priority link, i.e. utterly useless for a single PTP (point to point) link which is what you (the OP) have.

Binding the MAC address of either end of the links is utterly irreverent unless you are expecting to get hacked
and want to make sure that some one isn't spoofing the hardware that is trying connecting to your network and further assuming they can guess the WPA key.

Next point - 'frequency shifting' - you're off your head recommending this sort of stuff!

To the OP, buy a couple of NanoBeam M5s, they're generally cheaper than the NanoStations, and for the sake of your 'neighbours' buy a NanoBridge before you buy a NanoStation (narrower beam), but the NanoBeam is better.

If you want some real world help setting this up contact me via my profile, some of the information provided above is little short of bullst.








Edited by TheExcession on Wednesday 16th July 01:06

megaphone

10,803 posts

253 months

Wednesday 16th July 2014
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TheExcession said:
megaphone said:
I would go for the Loco M5s, the main advantage of the Nanostation is the twin ethernet port, allows you to power a camera or another AP off the second port, you don't need that, two Loco M5s will work a treat.

Set them up before you mount them, just across a room, they have automatic settings and will adjust for distance, use Airmax which is usually on by default and 'bind' the AP to the Station. There's also other neat features like frequency shifting that can help in congested areas. Best use a static IP or reserve them an IP, easier to log on for adjustments (playing!)
Unfortunately the above advice is the general cr4p that you often read on the Internet.

AirMax priority is for a 'many to one' priority link, i.e. utterly useless for a single PTP (point to point) link which is what you (the OP) have.

Binding the MAC address of either end of the links is utterly irreverent unless you are expecting to get hacked
and want to make sure that some one isn't spoofing the hardware that is trying connecting to your network and further assuming they can guess the WPA key.

Next point - 'frequency shifting' - you're off your head recommending this sort of stuff!

To the OP, buy a couple of NanoBeam M5s, they're generally cheaper than the NanoStations, and for the sake of your 'neighbours' buy a NanoBridge before you buy a NanoStation (narrower beam), but the NanoBeam is better.

If you want some real world help setting this up contact me via my profile, some of the information provided above is little short of bullst.



Edited by TheExcession on Wednesday 16th July 01:06
Can't be bothered to respond.

Brother D

3,765 posts

178 months

Wednesday 16th July 2014
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TheExcession said:
Unfortunately the above advice is the general cr4p that you often read on the Internet.

AirMax priority is for a 'many to one' priority link, i.e. utterly useless for a single PTP (point to point) link which is what you (the OP) have.

Binding the MAC address of either end of the links is utterly irreverent unless you are expecting to get hacked
and want to make sure that some one isn't spoofing the hardware that is trying connecting to your network and further assuming they can guess the WPA key.

Next point - 'frequency shifting' - you're off your head recommending this sort of stuff!

To the OP, buy a couple of NanoBeam M5s, they're generally cheaper than the NanoStations, and for the sake of your 'neighbours' buy a NanoBridge before you buy a NanoStation (narrower beam), but the NanoBeam is better.

If you want some real world help setting this up contact me via my profile, some of the information provided above is little short of bullst.

Edited by TheExcession on Wednesday 16th July 01:06
If I were your parents I'd be asking for a refund from the Swiss finishing school they sent you to...

(However I have to agree in this situation a Nanobeam is probably a more suitable choice, - nanostations would work as well, but beams are just more suitable in this situation).








TheExcession

11,669 posts

252 months

Wednesday 16th July 2014
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megaphone said:
Can't be bothered to respond.
Good wink

Sorry if I was a bit blunt, but I had just got in from a long day installing 2 +10km links with Ubiquiti kit.

I hate reading people's advice on the Internet that is so over and above the basic needs of what the OP requested.

And to be honest most of what you wrote was either wrong or utterly irrelevant.



gizard

Original Poster:

2,250 posts

285 months

Friday 1st August 2014
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TheExcession said:
To the OP, buy a couple of NanoBeam M5s, they're generally cheaper than the NanoStations, and for the sake of your 'neighbours' buy a NanoBridge before you buy a NanoStation (narrower beam), but the NanoBeam is better.

Edited by TheExcession on Wednesday 16th July 01:06
Hi All

in the end with very useful advice from TheExcession I have installed and setup a pair of Ubiqiti Nanobeam M5 19's (16's are not yet available in the UK as these would also have been fine and a little cheaper.

The PTP link has been running for a few days faultlessly and claims to have near perfect signal quality 99% plus most of the time so I'm chuffed it's all working perfectly so far - the hardest part was borrowing a roofing ladder ladder and trying not to fall off the roof whilst routering the cable under tiles etc.!

so cheers and thanks for all the help beer esp. TheExcession.

TheExcession

11,669 posts

252 months

Friday 1st August 2014
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gizard said:
so cheers and thanks for all the help beer esp. TheExcession.
You're welcome, it's always a pleasure to share knowledge and experience and help someone get started on a project like this. It's even better when they actually see it through and get it all installed and working.

If anyone else is looking to do something similar feel free to contact me.





maffski

1,868 posts

161 months

Monday 4th August 2014
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Doesn't some of the 5GHz spectrum need a license from Ofcom?

Super Slo Mo

5,368 posts

200 months

Monday 4th August 2014
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As with everything, it depends on the frequency and output power.

TheExcession

11,669 posts

252 months

Tuesday 5th August 2014
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maffski said:
Doesn't some of the 5GHz spectrum need a license from Ofcom?
Indeed it does, but portions are assigned for public use. It varies from country to country, power levels are also governed by laws too.

The Ubiquiti kit has a choice field for the Country you are operating in, then it only presents the allowed frequencies and power levels you can use. A very nifty feature, they've also introduced a spectrum analyser feature too, you bung your radio and station into spectrum analyser mode, let it run for a while and then pick your frequency from the quietest part available.

It's almost like the IP-DHCP version of setting up WiFi link.

ETA: An interesting aspect of the link Gizard set up was that he had to turn the power down to achieve the best quality link (by best I mean best for him and better for those around him).


Edited by TheExcession on Tuesday 5th August 17:08

gizard

Original Poster:

2,250 posts

285 months

Tuesday 5th August 2014
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I might even be able to getaway with turning the power down even more, I haven't had a chance to go back and play yet. But it has now been up and running for over a week with no problems at all so far...

gizard

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2,250 posts

285 months

Monday 29th April
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So - an update after ~ 10 years!

link has been working faultlessly for that long! wink

However it is now dead - but not a fault of the kit itself - we had windows replaced on the property so the antenna was taken off it's mounting and was left dangling in all the rain- so it filled up with water and shorted it self.

Now need a replacement - sadly the M5 Nanobeam 19 is no longer available so going to have to get two new ones - was thinking of the NBE-5AC-Gen2 NanoBeam AC Outdoor 5GHz 19dBi

megaphone

10,803 posts

253 months

Tuesday 30th April
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gizard said:
So - an update after ~ 10 years!

link has been working faultlessly for that long! wink

However it is now dead - but not a fault of the kit itself - we had windows replaced on the property so the antenna was taken off it's mounting and was left dangling in all the rain- so it filled up with water and shorted it self.

Now need a replacement - sadly the M5 Nanobeam 19 is no longer available so going to have to get two new ones - was thinking of the NBE-5AC-Gen2 NanoBeam AC Outdoor 5GHz 19dBi
Yes will work well, or even some AC-Locos which are less money and smaller, but maybe less easy to mount in your situation.

Although my advice is the generally cr4p wink.