Online backup service
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GlenMH said:
How are you planning to upload the TB of data. Going to take a while on a typical domestic connection...
Good point - I've got around 600GB of data to backup at the moment. I've got normal/copper broadband myself which is around 1mbit upload speed, so around 2 months to upload the data if my maths is correct? 
I can borrow my parents fibre connection which is at least 8meg up, so that would take a week but would probably run it overnight and restrict the speed during the day assuming this is possible?Once uploaded there shouldn't be any big changes though so I assume all these online backup services are intelligent enough to only upload anything that's changed?
It will just be from a single machine that will be running the backup, so will check out Carbonite, and it's just the data rather than OS images etc.
MarkRSi said:
Good point - I've got around 600GB of data to backup at the moment. I've got normal/copper broadband myself which is around 1mbit upload speed, so around 2 months to upload the data if my maths is correct? I can borrow my parents fibre connection which is at least 8meg up, so that would take a week but would probably run it overnight and restrict the speed during the day assuming this is possible?
Once uploaded there shouldn't be any big changes though so I assume all these online backup services are intelligent enough to only upload anything that's changed?
It will just be from a single machine that will be running the backup, so will check out Carbonite, and it's just the data rather than OS images etc.
Yeah, my maths shows 71 days, and that's assuming you can transfer at a steady 100KB per second. All the services I've looked at upload any changed files rather than just changed blocks. I can borrow my parents fibre connection which is at least 8meg up, so that would take a week but would probably run it overnight and restrict the speed during the day assuming this is possible?Once uploaded there shouldn't be any big changes though so I assume all these online backup services are intelligent enough to only upload anything that's changed?
It will just be from a single machine that will be running the backup, so will check out Carbonite, and it's just the data rather than OS images etc.
Why not backup locally using a HDD that you control, sending backup data to a cloud service really isn't secure and you are totally reliant on the company having a good backup strategy and actually staying in business.
I don't have an issue with cloud backup so long as people understand what they are doing, most don't, just assume things and don't like the result.
If you want cloud storage, make your own cloud is the best solution.
I don't have an issue with cloud backup so long as people understand what they are doing, most don't, just assume things and don't like the result.
If you want cloud storage, make your own cloud is the best solution.
gottans said:
Why not backup locally using a HDD that you control, sending backup data to a cloud service really isn't secure and you are totally reliant on the company having a good backup strategy and actually staying in business.
I don't have an issue with cloud backup so long as people understand what they are doing, most don't, just assume things and don't like the result.
If you want cloud storage, make your own cloud is the best solution.
I think it goes without saying that you would back up to a local disk AND to somewhere remote.I don't have an issue with cloud backup so long as people understand what they are doing, most don't, just assume things and don't like the result.
If you want cloud storage, make your own cloud is the best solution.
IMHO running ownCloud isn't the best solution. You need somewhere to host it and then you're responsible for updates, security, backups etc....
gottans said:
Why not backup locally using a HDD that you control, sending backup data to a cloud service really isn't secure and you are totally reliant on the company having a good backup strategy and actually staying in business.
Very much this ^.someone else said:
I think it goes without saying that you would back up to a local disk AND to somewhere remote.
Why remote? If the data is THAT important, just get another hard drive and keep that one off site. USB3 and SSDs would see 600GB of data transfer to both back-up drives in a matter of minutes, not months.All that jazz said:
cornet said:
I think it goes without saying that you would back up to a local disk AND to somewhere remote.
Why remote? If the data is THAT important, just get another hard drive and keep that one off site. USB3 and SSDs would see 600GB of data transfer to both back-up drives in a matter of minutes, not months.Thus having another disk and keeping it offsite qualifies as "remote" in my book
gottans said:
Why not backup locally using a HDD that you control, sending backup data to a cloud service really isn't secure and you are totally reliant on the company having a good backup strategy and actually staying in business.
I don't have an issue with cloud backup so long as people understand what they are doing, most don't, just assume things and don't like the result.
If you want cloud storage, make your own cloud is the best solution.
Isn't really secure? Any evidence for that?I don't have an issue with cloud backup so long as people understand what they are doing, most don't, just assume things and don't like the result.
If you want cloud storage, make your own cloud is the best solution.
Using another hard disk doesn't negate the risk of disk failure.
If a file doesn't exist in three places, it may as well not exist.
Podie said:
Isn't really secure? Any evidence for that?
Using another hard disk doesn't negate the risk of disk failure.
If a file doesn't exist in three places, it may as well not exist.
Unless you encrypt it yourself then there's nothing to stop them snooping at your data, thus insecure. All the promises on their websites about how it's secure with them and you can trust them mean nothing in the real world.Using another hard disk doesn't negate the risk of disk failure.
If a file doesn't exist in three places, it may as well not exist.
You would have to be REALLY unlucky to have your primary, back-up and 2nd back-up all fail at the same time. Unless you're a paranoia tinfoil hat wearer then one back-up medium is perfectly adequate for any normal person.
All that jazz said:
Podie said:
Isn't really secure? Any evidence for that?
Using another hard disk doesn't negate the risk of disk failure.
If a file doesn't exist in three places, it may as well not exist.
Unless you encrypt it yourself then there's nothing to stop them snooping at your data, thus insecure. All the promises on their websites about how it's secure with them and you can trust them mean nothing in the real world.Using another hard disk doesn't negate the risk of disk failure.
If a file doesn't exist in three places, it may as well not exist.
You would have to be REALLY unlucky to have your primary, back-up and 2nd back-up all fail at the same time. Unless you're a paranoia tinfoil hat wearer then one back-up medium is perfectly adequate for any normal person.
t for a living. Podie said:
All that jazz said:
Podie said:
Isn't really secure? Any evidence for that?
Using another hard disk doesn't negate the risk of disk failure.
If a file doesn't exist in three places, it may as well not exist.
Unless you encrypt it yourself then there's nothing to stop them snooping at your data, thus insecure. All the promises on their websites about how it's secure with them and you can trust them mean nothing in the real world.Using another hard disk doesn't negate the risk of disk failure.
If a file doesn't exist in three places, it may as well not exist.
You would have to be REALLY unlucky to have your primary, back-up and 2nd back-up all fail at the same time. Unless you're a paranoia tinfoil hat wearer then one back-up medium is perfectly adequate for any normal person.
t for a living. 
Seems legit.
I use Microsoft Azure. It was originally for Windows Server but it supports Windows 7, 8.1 and 10 now. Data is encrypted with your own key before upload to Microsoft.
http://azure.microsoft.com/en-gb/trial/get-started...
Its a PAYG model rather than a fixed cost. You can keep it down by choosing not to replicate the backup if you wish (its still across multiple disks but not across multiple data centres). You choose which region to store the data in although keep in mind that Microsoft is a US company. Still with them not having the key it doesn't really matter if the US government wants to snoop. It does block level changes, compression etc. You can also set your own retention policies. E.g. keep 10 versions of files or keep 1 years worth of versions.
http://azure.microsoft.com/en-gb/trial/get-started...
Its a PAYG model rather than a fixed cost. You can keep it down by choosing not to replicate the backup if you wish (its still across multiple disks but not across multiple data centres). You choose which region to store the data in although keep in mind that Microsoft is a US company. Still with them not having the key it doesn't really matter if the US government wants to snoop. It does block level changes, compression etc. You can also set your own retention policies. E.g. keep 10 versions of files or keep 1 years worth of versions.
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