Buying an R129
Discussion
IanA2 said:
Yes, my G-wagon has the same engine and similar weight. Could do with a lot more power. Previous posters mistakes power with speed.
The SL60 just does everything with consummate ease, such a relaxing car to drive, Pano too :-)
Back in the day, I had a S600C. That engine was gorgeous but it was such a silent beast that I’d be in serious licence risking territory every time I put my foot to the pedal unless paying special attention. Absolutely no aural clues as to speed. The SL60 just does everything with consummate ease, such a relaxing car to drive, Pano too :-)
The 600 SL I test drove had similar acceleration but was noisier.
They are all "adequate", even the 12valve 300 SL. The 24 valve 280 SLs and 320 SLs are perfectly adequate and likewise the very last V6 18 valve cars. The early 300 SL has the advantage of the buttery smooth m103 engine, even smoother than the BMW straight sixes of the period. The early 300 SL-24 is an absolute screamer.
My 300 diesel takes 14 seconds to accelerate from rest to 60mph and I never find it inadequate. The 500 SL is, of course, proper fast: it could keep a contemporary Ferrari Testarossa honest. But not all of us need that and there are other pleasure of driving and ownership besides.
What all r129s offer (potentially: it rather depends upon their condition these days) is the most extraordinary mechanical quality. All of these cars are fabulously uncompromised machines: anyone who has worked on one will tell you just how astonishingly well-designed and -built they are. I would say this, but in due course I think they will come to be regarded as not only the best SL but the best Mercedes ever.
My 300 diesel takes 14 seconds to accelerate from rest to 60mph and I never find it inadequate. The 500 SL is, of course, proper fast: it could keep a contemporary Ferrari Testarossa honest. But not all of us need that and there are other pleasure of driving and ownership besides.
What all r129s offer (potentially: it rather depends upon their condition these days) is the most extraordinary mechanical quality. All of these cars are fabulously uncompromised machines: anyone who has worked on one will tell you just how astonishingly well-designed and -built they are. I would say this, but in due course I think they will come to be regarded as not only the best SL but the best Mercedes ever.
r129sl said:
They are all "adequate", even the 12valve 300 SL. The 24 valve 280 SLs and 320 SLs are perfectly adequate and likewise the very last V6 18 valve cars. The early 300 SL has the advantage of the buttery smooth m103 engine, even smoother than the BMW straight sixes of the period. The early 300 SL-24 is an absolute screamer.
My 300 diesel takes 14 seconds to accelerate from rest to 60mph and I never find it inadequate. The 500 SL is, of course, proper fast: it could keep a contemporary Ferrari Testarossa honest. But not all of us need that and there are other pleasure of driving and ownership besides.
What all r129s offer (potentially: it rather depends upon their condition these days) is the most extraordinary mechanical quality. All of these cars are fabulously uncompromised machines: anyone who has worked on one will tell you just how astonishingly well-designed and -built they are. I would say this, but in due course I think they will come to be regarded as not only the best SL but the best Mercedes ever.
I could not agree more with all the above. The R129 has for sure started its upward climb in value now, and with a decent R107 now out of reach for most people, good examples of this later SL are now becoming highly sought after. I would always advise anyone considering taking the plunge on a well cared for and genuine example to do so before it is too late. My 300 diesel takes 14 seconds to accelerate from rest to 60mph and I never find it inadequate. The 500 SL is, of course, proper fast: it could keep a contemporary Ferrari Testarossa honest. But not all of us need that and there are other pleasure of driving and ownership besides.
What all r129s offer (potentially: it rather depends upon their condition these days) is the most extraordinary mechanical quality. All of these cars are fabulously uncompromised machines: anyone who has worked on one will tell you just how astonishingly well-designed and -built they are. I would say this, but in due course I think they will come to be regarded as not only the best SL but the best Mercedes ever.
Edited by yme402 on Sunday 4th November 09:29
yme402 said:
I could not agree more with all the above. The R129 has for sure started its upward climb in value now, and with a decent R107 now out of reach for most people, good examples of this later SL are now becoming highly sought after. I would always advise anyone considering taking the plunge on a well cared for and genuine example to do so before it is too late.
They are lovely cars - but while researching the purchase of one myself (I never did take the plunge), I saw posts on car forums going back to 2012 proclaiming R129s were rising in value, "future classic" etc and it doesn't really seem to have happened yet. No doubt if it does now I shall kick myself for not jumping in when I could.Edited by yme402 on Sunday 4th November 09:29
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Define running...
They all need money spending on them and you'll have to decide what particular combination of defects or high mileage you're prepared to accepted. The real bargain basement is to be avoided but you can still get something acceptable for less than £7500.
And prices really aren't increasing. Dealer and private dreamers might shoot for the moon but their cars languish unsold for ever.
Define running...
They all need money spending on them and you'll have to decide what particular combination of defects or high mileage you're prepared to accepted. The real bargain basement is to be avoided but you can still get something acceptable for less than £7500.
And prices really aren't increasing. Dealer and private dreamers might shoot for the moon but their cars languish unsold for ever.
Edited by Zonergem on Monday 5th November 19:06
Zonergem said:
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".......And prices really aren't increasing. Dealer and private dreamers might shoot for the moon but their cars languish unsold for ever."
This is not actually the complete picture.".......And prices really aren't increasing. Dealer and private dreamers might shoot for the moon but their cars languish unsold for ever."
Edited by Zonergem on Monday 5th November 19:06
The R129 is mirroring the trajectory that the R107 followed after its production ended in 1989. The SL Shop is selling a small but increasing number of R129s for low £20 to high £20k sums. So is Edward Hall and so are other dealers.
We are fifteen years on from when the last R129's rolled-off the production line. I bought a really nice R107 300SL in 2004 fifteen years after R107 production ceased. The price I paid for it was at the top end. Its new owner paid me nearly four times what I paid for it this year. I had owned the car just under fourteen years.
Prices of R129s are increasing for the right cars and will continue to do so as the cost of repairing or restoring the stock of remaining ones becomes economically untenable. The R129 is on the cusp of seeing the values of low mileage, low ownership, cars steadily go up during the next 10-15 years
But those who own them will have a dilemma. Use them as they were meant to be used or limit their time on the road.
That's anathema here isn't it?
Edited by SSL on Wednesday 7th November 08:47
Edited by SSL on Wednesday 7th November 08:56
SSL said:
This is not actually the complete picture.
The R129 is mirroring the trajectory that the R107 followed after its production ended in 1989. The SL Shop is selling a small but increasing number of R129s for low £20 to high £20k sums. So is Edward Hall and so are other dealers.
We are fifteen years on from when the last R129's rolled-off the production line. I bought a really nice R107 300SL in 2004 fifteen years after R107 production ceased. The price I paid for it was at the top end. Its new owner paid me nearly four times what I paid for it this year. I had owned the car just under fourteen years.
Prices of R129s are increasing for the right cars and will continue to do so as the cost of repairing or restoring the stock of remaining ones becomes economically untenable. The R129 is on the cusp of seeing the values of low mileage, low ownership, cars steadily go up during the next 10-15 years
But those who own them will have a dilemma. Use them as they were meant to be used or limit their time on the road.
That's anathema here isn't it?
It's interesting - I remember the buying advice I received was that low mileage ones could prove unreliable if they've not been used much, compared to the cars in regular use, which are more likely to be well maintained and have electrics etc that work well. The R129 is mirroring the trajectory that the R107 followed after its production ended in 1989. The SL Shop is selling a small but increasing number of R129s for low £20 to high £20k sums. So is Edward Hall and so are other dealers.
We are fifteen years on from when the last R129's rolled-off the production line. I bought a really nice R107 300SL in 2004 fifteen years after R107 production ceased. The price I paid for it was at the top end. Its new owner paid me nearly four times what I paid for it this year. I had owned the car just under fourteen years.
Prices of R129s are increasing for the right cars and will continue to do so as the cost of repairing or restoring the stock of remaining ones becomes economically untenable. The R129 is on the cusp of seeing the values of low mileage, low ownership, cars steadily go up during the next 10-15 years
But those who own them will have a dilemma. Use them as they were meant to be used or limit their time on the road.
That's anathema here isn't it?
For me, cars are there to be used but given those circumstances, I'd probably be tempted to buy it and store it for most of the year as well.
When I was looking, while I could afford to fork out for a decent one, or even a mostly decent one that needed a bit of fettling, I decided paying out 4 figures every year in maintenance (without a regular salary coming in) was too much of a stretch, ultimately. Would still love one but... I could afford to do it with my old Camaro - which cost peanuts to maintain and depreciated very slowly, so the whole experience cost comparatively little. Ongoing maintenance and fettling is a different kettle of fish for the R129 and would be criminal not to do it! If I was still earning, I'd have definitely gone for it.
Flip Martian said:
It's interesting - I remember the buying advice I received was that low mileage ones could prove unreliable if they've not been used much, compared to the cars in regular use, which are more likely to be well maintained and have electrics etc that work well.
For me, cars are there to be used but given those circumstances, I'd probably be tempted to buy it and store it for most of the year as well.
When I was looking, while I could afford to fork out for a decent one, or even a mostly decent one that needed a bit of fettling, I decided paying out 4 figures every year in maintenance (without a regular salary coming in) was too much of a stretch, ultimately. Would still love one but... I could afford to do it with my old Camaro - which cost peanuts to maintain and depreciated very slowly, so the whole experience cost comparatively little. Ongoing maintenance and fettling is a different kettle of fish for the R129 and would be criminal not to do it! If I was still earning, I'd have definitely gone for it.
The advice you got was correct. A good honest high mileage car which has been regularly used and properly looked after will almost certainly stand a much better chance of being a reliable performer than a garage queen that sits around going nowhere each year. That said, finding one that has had all the backlog of maintenance issues attended to or better still never allowed to build up in the first place is not a simple task. Nor is it impossible to keep a garage queen in good working so that it appeals to future buyers who will see its low mileage as a way of owning a modern classic SL and selling on in future with little or no capital cost to themselves.For me, cars are there to be used but given those circumstances, I'd probably be tempted to buy it and store it for most of the year as well.
When I was looking, while I could afford to fork out for a decent one, or even a mostly decent one that needed a bit of fettling, I decided paying out 4 figures every year in maintenance (without a regular salary coming in) was too much of a stretch, ultimately. Would still love one but... I could afford to do it with my old Camaro - which cost peanuts to maintain and depreciated very slowly, so the whole experience cost comparatively little. Ongoing maintenance and fettling is a different kettle of fish for the R129 and would be criminal not to do it! If I was still earning, I'd have definitely gone for it.
What it seems to boil down to is, why you own the car? Is it an investment or is it for the pleasure and joy of owning and driving one of the best cars MB has ever made? I am not suggesting the two are mutually exclusive but I think most here are motivated by the latter.
The good news is that there are still usable reasonably priced R129s out there if you are prepared to look hard enough. But their numbers are declining. If sufficient people still want to buy them then market forces dictate a likely and continuing price rise for certain iterations of the model.
So ..... following on from my post on the 1st Nov ....
Thank you for the varied and encouraging responses.
Today I viewed the silver SL320 that Kenny Dunn is selling in Edinburgh.
It looked very smart overall with recent discs and centre exhaust section. very clean under the bonnet and in the interior although I was a bit disappointed in the seat leather. It was in excellent condition, just didn't feel as good as I expected.
There has been repairs to the front wings in the usual place which concerned me a bit and the arch edges were not great.
What do you expect for £10k.
So, I am still thinking about an R129. Perhaps I need further creep on my budget or need to look at cars that have not lived in Scotland.
Edward Halls silver SL500 looks very nice and the almost full MB history is reassuring.
Thank you for the varied and encouraging responses.
Today I viewed the silver SL320 that Kenny Dunn is selling in Edinburgh.
It looked very smart overall with recent discs and centre exhaust section. very clean under the bonnet and in the interior although I was a bit disappointed in the seat leather. It was in excellent condition, just didn't feel as good as I expected.
There has been repairs to the front wings in the usual place which concerned me a bit and the arch edges were not great.
What do you expect for £10k.
So, I am still thinking about an R129. Perhaps I need further creep on my budget or need to look at cars that have not lived in Scotland.
Edward Halls silver SL500 looks very nice and the almost full MB history is reassuring.
Yogioes said:
So ..... following on from my post on the 1st Nov ....
Thank you for the varied and encouraging responses.
Today I viewed the silver SL320 that Kenny Dunn is selling in Edinburgh.
It looked very smart overall with recent discs and centre exhaust section. very clean under the bonnet and in the interior although I was a bit disappointed in the seat leather. It was in excellent condition, just didn't feel as good as I expected.
There has been repairs to the front wings in the usual place which concerned me a bit and the arch edges were not great.
What do you expect for £10k.
So, I am still thinking about an R129. Perhaps I need further creep on my budget or need to look at cars that have not lived in Scotland.
Edward Halls silver SL500 looks very nice and the almost full MB history is reassuring.
I'd personally not set much store by an MB service history, after warranty expiration, except to infer that the POs had deep pockets and little sense. Thank you for the varied and encouraging responses.
Today I viewed the silver SL320 that Kenny Dunn is selling in Edinburgh.
It looked very smart overall with recent discs and centre exhaust section. very clean under the bonnet and in the interior although I was a bit disappointed in the seat leather. It was in excellent condition, just didn't feel as good as I expected.
There has been repairs to the front wings in the usual place which concerned me a bit and the arch edges were not great.
What do you expect for £10k.
So, I am still thinking about an R129. Perhaps I need further creep on my budget or need to look at cars that have not lived in Scotland.
Edward Halls silver SL500 looks very nice and the almost full MB history is reassuring.
My experience over the years has been that MB dealer knowledge of these cars is considerably worse than the specialist independents; most of their 'technicians' don't know much more than plugging a car into a computer and then ordering the bits they are told to replace. Diagnostic skill is almost non-existent, so repairing the soft top mechanism which can be tricky is prone to be an expensive job with them, involving procuring astronomically expensive pumps etc, while a specialist knows exactly what to look for and can often sort the issues out for pence with a couple of pipes or micro-switches.
Needless to say, there may be an exception or two among the main dealers, but I have never met one.
Then there is the cost. I'd expect an independent specialist to cost about two-thirds to half per hour of the main dealer. And because they know the cars, I'd expect them to have spent fewer hours dealing with them.
A reliable history from an independent specialist in SLs or older MBs would give me a lot more comfort.
Might be able to help you here with a fine example in budget and with excellent provenance and well known within the MB owners club. - is there a way I can get in touch?
Yogioes said:
So ..... following on from my post on the 1st Nov ....
Thank you for the varied and encouraging responses.
Today I viewed the silver SL320 that Kenny Dunn is selling in Edinburgh.
It looked very smart overall with recent discs and centre exhaust section. very clean under the bonnet and in the interior although I was a bit disappointed in the seat leather. It was in excellent condition, just didn't feel as good as I expected.
There has been repairs to the front wings in the usual place which concerned me a bit and the arch edges were not great.
What do you expect for £10k.
So, I am still thinking about an R129. Perhaps I need further creep on my budget or need to look at cars that have not lived in Scotland.
Edward Halls silver SL500 looks very nice and the almost full MB history is reassuring.
Thank you for the varied and encouraging responses.
Today I viewed the silver SL320 that Kenny Dunn is selling in Edinburgh.
It looked very smart overall with recent discs and centre exhaust section. very clean under the bonnet and in the interior although I was a bit disappointed in the seat leather. It was in excellent condition, just didn't feel as good as I expected.
There has been repairs to the front wings in the usual place which concerned me a bit and the arch edges were not great.
What do you expect for £10k.
So, I am still thinking about an R129. Perhaps I need further creep on my budget or need to look at cars that have not lived in Scotland.
Edward Halls silver SL500 looks very nice and the almost full MB history is reassuring.
Yogioes said:
So ..... following on from my post on the 1st Nov ....
Thank you for the varied and encouraging responses.
Today I viewed the silver SL320 that Kenny Dunn is selling in Edinburgh.
It looked very smart overall with recent discs and centre exhaust section. very clean under the bonnet and in the interior although I was a bit disappointed in the seat leather. It was in excellent condition, just didn't feel as good as I expected.
There has been repairs to the front wings in the usual place which concerned me a bit and the arch edges were not great.
What do you expect for £10k.
So, I am still thinking about an R129. Perhaps I need further creep on my budget or need to look at cars that have not lived in Scotland.
Edward Halls silver SL500 looks very nice and the almost full MB history is reassuring.
As a guide earlier this year, my 1998 SL320 cost £11K from a reputable classic car dealer (after a little haggle...)Thank you for the varied and encouraging responses.
Today I viewed the silver SL320 that Kenny Dunn is selling in Edinburgh.
It looked very smart overall with recent discs and centre exhaust section. very clean under the bonnet and in the interior although I was a bit disappointed in the seat leather. It was in excellent condition, just didn't feel as good as I expected.
There has been repairs to the front wings in the usual place which concerned me a bit and the arch edges were not great.
What do you expect for £10k.
So, I am still thinking about an R129. Perhaps I need further creep on my budget or need to look at cars that have not lived in Scotland.
Edward Halls silver SL500 looks very nice and the almost full MB history is reassuring.
84K, Pano roof, extremely clean in and out, solid history. I struggled to find fault with the car.
After the sale I contacted the prevoius owner, what a great chap, told me all about the 5 years he owned the car and how he really looked after it, which I could tell from the invoices in the history
My good friend said, "the collectors want low mileage cars". But I bought the car to drive, its not a garage queen.
Just before I bought this car, I viewed a 1995 SL320 with 53K on the clock. It was on SOR from a specilist mercedes dealer at £16K, I challenged this asking price before I even went to view it, and the dealer came back with a message the seller will except £14K.
I wont say it was "tatty" but, it really wasnt that good. Part history, needing little paint on the rear wing. Interior needing a little attention etc, and no pano roof. Disappointing viewing....
Moral of the story... dont discount the higher mile cars, go and see them in the flesh.
So ..... following on from my post on the 1st Nov .... and subsequent exchanges ......
Thanks to yme402 I was contacted about a car that was possibly for sale although it was not actually advertised.
It had been on SORN for the last year.
Previous owner was a pleasure to deal with and obviously likes his cars.
Link to his Readers' Cars thread - https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
Having spent nearly all it's life down south, it is in much better condition that the silver one I viewed recently.
It has some rust on the arches and wings but is generally very tidy.
But - so far, I have not gelled with it. Not 100% sure why. The driving experience feels a wee bit old and is probably not what I expected. Perhaps my rose tinted glasses are not as good as they used to be.
Before I started spending time and money on it, I took it to a local dealer to see if I could trade it in against an MX-5 that I had looked at four weeks earlier - Only to find it lined up in their delivery bay for the new owner to collect that day.
So, I have made a start.
It is a nice car to work on.
I replaced the bonnet release cable as the old one was too sticky to release the catches and secure the bonnet.
Then the really important jobs - new stainless screws and white caps for the front plate and new stainless allen bolts in the rear plate. (film reference "new wipers on a busted windshield" - Bonus points if you can name the film)
It got a new front spring for the MoT but now has a prominent lean to one side. I don't know the source of the new one so will probably fit a new pair and hopefully level things up again.
The plastic windows are quite cloudy and some of the stitching has come undone so that will need looking at.
In the first instance, I will tidy up the rusty arches to stop further deterioration before deciding if I will get it resprayed.
Other than that, it's minor things. CD player won't accept my CD's. The left bass speaker is silent and the aerial doesn't fully extend or retract.
I should probably consider new shocks and some bushes to see if I can make the car feel more connected with the road.
A wash and a polish is always a good start.
Thanks to yme402 I was contacted about a car that was possibly for sale although it was not actually advertised.
It had been on SORN for the last year.
Previous owner was a pleasure to deal with and obviously likes his cars.
Link to his Readers' Cars thread - https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
Having spent nearly all it's life down south, it is in much better condition that the silver one I viewed recently.
It has some rust on the arches and wings but is generally very tidy.
But - so far, I have not gelled with it. Not 100% sure why. The driving experience feels a wee bit old and is probably not what I expected. Perhaps my rose tinted glasses are not as good as they used to be.
Before I started spending time and money on it, I took it to a local dealer to see if I could trade it in against an MX-5 that I had looked at four weeks earlier - Only to find it lined up in their delivery bay for the new owner to collect that day.
So, I have made a start.
It is a nice car to work on.
I replaced the bonnet release cable as the old one was too sticky to release the catches and secure the bonnet.
Then the really important jobs - new stainless screws and white caps for the front plate and new stainless allen bolts in the rear plate. (film reference "new wipers on a busted windshield" - Bonus points if you can name the film)
It got a new front spring for the MoT but now has a prominent lean to one side. I don't know the source of the new one so will probably fit a new pair and hopefully level things up again.
The plastic windows are quite cloudy and some of the stitching has come undone so that will need looking at.
In the first instance, I will tidy up the rusty arches to stop further deterioration before deciding if I will get it resprayed.
Other than that, it's minor things. CD player won't accept my CD's. The left bass speaker is silent and the aerial doesn't fully extend or retract.
I should probably consider new shocks and some bushes to see if I can make the car feel more connected with the road.
A wash and a polish is always a good start.
The aerial is *probably* stuck with grime/dirt on one of the telescopic sections.
Clean and lubricate the sections that do work with clean non-abrasive cloths and a light bicycle chain lube. You
want a light oil that sticks to the metal but which doesnt pick up too much dirt. I use this on my bike chains.
Protect the paintwork and try getting some oil into the stuck area. Then cycle the aerial a few times and see if that improves matters. As a last resort you could freeing off the aerial with some needle nose pliers but you'll damage the aerial mast's finish doing so.
Clean and lubricate the sections that do work with clean non-abrasive cloths and a light bicycle chain lube. You
want a light oil that sticks to the metal but which doesnt pick up too much dirt. I use this on my bike chains.
Protect the paintwork and try getting some oil into the stuck area. Then cycle the aerial a few times and see if that improves matters. As a last resort you could freeing off the aerial with some needle nose pliers but you'll damage the aerial mast's finish doing so.
Yogioes said:
......
But - so far, I have not gelled with it. Not 100% sure why. The driving experience feels a wee bit old and is probably not what I expected. Perhaps my rose tinted glasses are not as good as they used to be.
A wash and a polish is always a good start.
I've had mine 5 yrs, it took a good couple of yrs to bond with it. I'll try to explain why.But - so far, I have not gelled with it. Not 100% sure why. The driving experience feels a wee bit old and is probably not what I expected. Perhaps my rose tinted glasses are not as good as they used to be.
A wash and a polish is always a good start.
My company car went back, my other car a very very pretty Sunbeam Alpine wouldn't cut it as a daily. So Sunbeam was sold and my criteria for a car was
Convertible
Daily (but I could work round if it had the odd week or two down time)
Un garaged
Could sell easily if it didn't suit
Automatic
Affordable (sub 10k)
Home mechanic fixable
Comforts (ride, seats, power hood & A/C)
Back seat for dog
Pretty (failed this one)
Every journey an event (failed on this one too)
Able to munch miles (regular 300 mile round trip and continental journeys 2 or 3 times a year)
It was always going to be a comprise so I ended up with the SL, neither your arse nor your elbow. It drove like an old car rather than a classic and certainly not a head turner. Handling felt laboured, ride average, rattled, squeaked and leaked.
I wasn't willing to admit my disappointment, driving top down was lovely and it had space for 2 + dog with a fortnights luggage, so set about fixing it.
I started with all the niggly cheap bits, chased down squeaks and rattles like a demon.
New radio with USB, tidied up bodywork, fixed electrics, sorted A/C, new wheels, tyres, shocks, top mounts, arms, hood, heater valve, water pump, fan clutch, fluids, flexdiscs, brakes. repaired damaged dash and steering wheel. I've learnt of the vagaries of 90s MB electrics, imperfect soft top design, fragility of interior plastics and the solid tried and tested underpinningsThe car isn't cosmetically spot on but now goes, stops, rides & handles like it should. 5yrs / 30k miles on and I've bonded with it for what it is, a comfortable reliable, mile munching 2+2 GT, I can't imagine my drive without it
If I wanted a pin sharp head turner this wouldn't be it, I'd describe more as smooth, predictable and capable,
A bit less Kiera Knightly and a bit more Emma Thompson.
Edited by PositronicRay on Saturday 1st December 12:06
Thank you for the encouraging response.
My criteria for selecting a car was quite similar without the continental jaunts.
The back seat is certainly big enough for my daughters standard wire haired dachshund.
A beautiful day on Monday so I took it for a run up the side of Loch Lomond which it seems well suited to.
The seat mechanisms are something to admire but the seat is not actually that comfortable.
It's definitely growing on me.
My criteria for selecting a car was quite similar without the continental jaunts.
The back seat is certainly big enough for my daughters standard wire haired dachshund.
A beautiful day on Monday so I took it for a run up the side of Loch Lomond which it seems well suited to.
The seat mechanisms are something to admire but the seat is not actually that comfortable.
It's definitely growing on me.
Yogioes said:
Thank you for the encouraging response.
My criteria for selecting a car was quite similar without the continental jaunts.
The back seat is certainly big enough for my daughters standard wire haired dachshund.
A beautiful day on Monday so I took it for a run up the side of Loch Lomond which it seems well suited to.
The seat mechanisms are something to admire but the seat is not actually that comfortable.
It's definitely growing on me.
I found the base of the seat quite hard on a long trip, the foam was tired and flat. I've re stuffed it and fine now, okay for 6 hours before getting twitchy. My criteria for selecting a car was quite similar without the continental jaunts.
The back seat is certainly big enough for my daughters standard wire haired dachshund.
A beautiful day on Monday so I took it for a run up the side of Loch Lomond which it seems well suited to.
The seat mechanisms are something to admire but the seat is not actually that comfortable.
It's definitely growing on me.
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