brake pads .. help needed, please
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can anyone confirm or deny that the 'bigger' 'uprated' Brembo system on the later GTA models (147 and 156 with 330mm disks rather than the earlier 305mm) takes the same pads as the Brembo systems fitted to EVO 6/7/8, Impreza STi '02-, S60 2.5turbo (Brembo), V70 25.turbo (Brembo) ?
( oh, and the Ford GT as well )
The EBC reference (redstuff) is DP31210C, dimensions as per 1210, 131mmx75mmx15mm........
Perhaps someone at a dealer with these in stock could measure them and compare them to the drawings in the EBC catalogue
http://www.ebcbrakes.com/Assets/2005ebcintcat.pdf
page 76, amongst others.
Or perhaps someone has one of those most elusive Brembo catalogues ?
This would open up a world of alternatives to those of us currently stuck with OE parts from dealers, as well as the option of trying something different that might be (whisper it) a bit better.
thanks
Tim
( oh, and the Ford GT as well )
The EBC reference (redstuff) is DP31210C, dimensions as per 1210, 131mmx75mmx15mm........
Perhaps someone at a dealer with these in stock could measure them and compare them to the drawings in the EBC catalogue
http://www.ebcbrakes.com/Assets/2005ebcintcat.pdf
page 76, amongst others.
Or perhaps someone has one of those most elusive Brembo catalogues ?
This would open up a world of alternatives to those of us currently stuck with OE parts from dealers, as well as the option of trying something different that might be (whisper it) a bit better.
thanks
Tim
that's an excellent suggestion, and if I had half the tools and the first clue what to do, I'd try it.
I had a quick look at the caliper while I was having tyres fitted, and it didn't look so obvious, so I decided that discretion was the better part of valour ...
perhaps I should get my friendly local tyre guy to whip one out so I can measure it ... thanks for the idea !
I had a quick look at the caliper while I was having tyres fitted, and it didn't look so obvious, so I decided that discretion was the better part of valour ...
perhaps I should get my friendly local tyre guy to whip one out so I can measure it ... thanks for the idea !
for anyone else who might have been following this....
I actually got directly in touch with EBC, who were very helpful, and told me that their DP31210C (redstuff ceramic) pad is the right size and shape, but doesn't have the correct wear indicator lead, which would leave the 'pad thin' warning light on continuously.
They also recommended fitting the DP31430C rear pads to balance the braking force front to rear.
So, my little Alfa DOES have the same brakes as the Ford GT !
I actually got directly in touch with EBC, who were very helpful, and told me that their DP31210C (redstuff ceramic) pad is the right size and shape, but doesn't have the correct wear indicator lead, which would leave the 'pad thin' warning light on continuously.
They also recommended fitting the DP31430C rear pads to balance the braking force front to rear.
So, my little Alfa DOES have the same brakes as the Ford GT !
timbrown said:
for anyone else who might have been following this....
I actually got directly in touch with EBC, who were very helpful, and told me that their DP31210C (redstuff ceramic) pad is the right size and shape, but doesn't have the correct wear indicator lead, which would leave the 'pad thin' warning light on continuously.
They also recommended fitting the DP31430C rear pads to balance the braking force front to rear.
So, my little Alfa DOES have the same brakes as the Ford GT !
I would have thought it would leave the light permanently off?
I have the same EBC red ceramic compound on my Scooby (Brembo front calliper upgrade). They are pretty effective but do need to get a bit of heat in them before they really work. Usually when leaving my house the first time I need the brakes is at the bottom of a ruddy great hill coming into a mini-roundabout from 60mph(ish!) I need to make a conscious effort to remember to add a few yards to my braking distance to avoid things being a bit 'last minute'. After this they are fine. They do tend to be a little more prone to squeaks and squeals when they are properly hot as well.
Incidentally, it's not just the Ford GT, they also fit the DeTomaso Pantera, ferrari 360, a couple of Lambos and some other exalted machinery.
If you do go for them make sure you actually receive the cermaic compound. They did have some problems sending out the old red compound instead of ceramics for a while which are nothing like as good and tend to chew discs like there's no tomorrow. The proper items should have a thin bedding in layer which is a tan colour IIRC and say ceramic on the back. If they don't they have sent the wrong ones and you should return them.
rusty,
thanks for your comments
I've had redstuff before on my coupe turbo, so I'm no stranger to cold brakes that don't seem to work ... just have to remember to remind my better half when she drives it !
I'm not sure about the pad light thing, guess there's only one way to find out .....
thanks for the other tips too
Tim
ps - what doyou mean OTHER exalted machinery ?
>> Edited by timbrown on Wednesday 27th July 13:07
thanks for your comments
I've had redstuff before on my coupe turbo, so I'm no stranger to cold brakes that don't seem to work ... just have to remember to remind my better half when she drives it !
I'm not sure about the pad light thing, guess there's only one way to find out .....
thanks for the other tips too
Tim
ps - what doyou mean OTHER exalted machinery ?
>> Edited by timbrown on Wednesday 27th July 13:07
I am pretty sure that no lead means the light stays OFF.
The DS2500 Ferodo pads are a popular fitment on 156s and they don't have a lead either.
Just a word of caution - these pads are not road homologated and if someone really felt like sticking the nark in, your insurance wouldn't be valid if you needed it....
The DS2500 Ferodo pads are a popular fitment on 156s and they don't have a lead either.
Just a word of caution - these pads are not road homologated and if someone really felt like sticking the nark in, your insurance wouldn't be valid if you needed it....
wombat...
"EBC Redstuff ceramic is one of the first pads to be offered that is ECE R-90 compliant and therefore legal for road use"
from
www.ebcbrakesdirect.com/car/info.asp
unless there's something else I'm missing ?
"EBC Redstuff ceramic is one of the first pads to be offered that is ECE R-90 compliant and therefore legal for road use"
from
www.ebcbrakesdirect.com/car/info.asp
unless there's something else I'm missing ?
Yeah - I don't actually know how it works, but it would seem sensible to me that a closed circuit would mean "ok" and a broken one "not ok"; that way should the leads come unplugged or a wire snap you'll get a warning light rather than happily drive around thinking everything's ok!
In this scenario, I guess the solution for fitting pads that aren't wired would be to close the loop by joining the 2 "loose" ends of the cables that head back to the ECU/dash?
In this scenario, I guess the solution for fitting pads that aren't wired would be to close the loop by joining the 2 "loose" ends of the cables that head back to the ECU/dash?
The system on the GTV and 164 (only ones I've played with) is a single wire going to the back of the friction material which is therefore isolated. When the pad wears, the wire is exposed and earths via the disc. T'other end of wire goes back to the bulb, the other side of which has a 12V supply, thus when the pad is worn current flows, light comes on.
As PDV6 points out, a break in the cable (which is not uncommon) means that the light will never come on, unless as on my 164 the bare end of the wire bumps into some metal things intermittently giving a nice flashing dashboard light as you drive along.
Moral of the story: don't rely on the warning light to tell you when your pads are worn.
Slightly O/T why oh why do garages insist on topping up your brake fluid during a service. It is a very useful indicator of pad (and in the case of Alfa's often clutch) wear and is an absolute pain when you change pads and have to suck half a pint of brake fluid out when you wind the pistons back in. It doesn't even help replace the fuid as it doesn't exactly circulate.
As PDV6 points out, a break in the cable (which is not uncommon) means that the light will never come on, unless as on my 164 the bare end of the wire bumps into some metal things intermittently giving a nice flashing dashboard light as you drive along.
Moral of the story: don't rely on the warning light to tell you when your pads are worn.
Slightly O/T why oh why do garages insist on topping up your brake fluid during a service. It is a very useful indicator of pad (and in the case of Alfa's often clutch) wear and is an absolute pain when you change pads and have to suck half a pint of brake fluid out when you wind the pistons back in. It doesn't even help replace the fuid as it doesn't exactly circulate.
rustybin said:
why oh why do garages insist on topping up your brake fluid during a service. It is a very useful indicator of pad wear
Indeed - many cars have the low pad warning actually triggered by the fluid level. Dumbass mechanics topping up the reservoir at a service actually make the problem of no warning light a foregone conclusion!
rustybin said:
The system on the GTV and 164 (only ones I've played with) is a single wire going to the back of the friction material which is therefore isolated. When the pad wears, the wire is exposed and earths via the disc. T'other end of wire goes back to the bulb, the other side of which has a 12V supply, thus when the pad is worn current flows, light comes on.
Didn't realise that was how they did it. Odd system, prone to failure...
timbrown said:
wombat...
"EBC Redstuff ceramic is one of the first pads to be offered that is ECE R-90 compliant and therefore legal for road use"
from
www.ebcbrakesdirect.com/car/info.asp
unless there's something else I'm missing ?
Ah!!
As you were.
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