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handbraketurn said:
velocemitch said:
MPG long term on mine is about 35mpg. On a long run using motorways it will return 40 easily.
Pushing it along on the back roads will bring it down to 25 ish.
The ride and handling is exemplary in my view, but to be fair you would not be doing much in the way of oversteering in a Giulia as the TC stamps it out quickly and you can’t turn it off. But it’s stil a superb machine to punt along. Where it will shine over the BM especially if you have an M Sport set up will be its ride quality, it’s in a different league. It gives you much more confidence and feedback. But you do have to work with that and understand it, the steering is almost telepathic, very direct and very responsive.
The low £300 deals will be 8k mileage or a big deposit. Alfa aren’t running the same level of discounts as the Germans at the moment, worth scouring the country for deals though as there is a big difference between the dealers.
Thanks, Mitch. That's very good economy given the power, significantly better than what I am getting. Pushing it along on the back roads will bring it down to 25 ish.
The ride and handling is exemplary in my view, but to be fair you would not be doing much in the way of oversteering in a Giulia as the TC stamps it out quickly and you can’t turn it off. But it’s stil a superb machine to punt along. Where it will shine over the BM especially if you have an M Sport set up will be its ride quality, it’s in a different league. It gives you much more confidence and feedback. But you do have to work with that and understand it, the steering is almost telepathic, very direct and very responsive.
The low £300 deals will be 8k mileage or a big deposit. Alfa aren’t running the same level of discounts as the Germans at the moment, worth scouring the country for deals though as there is a big difference between the dealers.
I read about the TC not being able to be turned off, that is an odd decision for a driver orientated car given how much people rate the general quality of the chassis, particularly with the performance pack, you'd expect the option to turn off to added in there. Perhaps they'll give an option to turn it off later in the product life cycle via the dealers.
To be fair, I think most BMW drivers (myself included) use Sports+ most of the time on the road, which allows you a bit of play but kicks in if you get too carried away.
I'm looking forwards to testing it.
With regards to the deals, I should have clarified, they were PCH not PCP deals I have been looking at. I've seen a few 0% APR deals on offer on PCP from different dealers, but as you say, little discount and requirement for a large deposit. In my view, there is no real guarantee you'll have any equity at the end and I have a suspicion there is a bubble in the car industry, especially with the volume manufacturers.
My car is a great example, I put £6k into the 340i, which had a list price of £52k in March last year, plus the £3.5k MPPSK fitted by me, I got it for £32k a year ago, which is a significant discount, just prior to the launch of the new model. 16 months after registration and 19k miles covered, it's currently valued at £23.5k, which is essentially the settlement figure.
It's also dropped in value dramatically since March new reg, I had a trade in offer of £26k then, now they're moaning about £23.5k, dealers telling me its happening across the industry. Good time to let the finance companies take the liability IMO.
PCH Example:
24 months term, 9 month deposit, 15k miles, £331 PCM.
https://leasing.com/independent-brokers/jet-vehicl...
Similar deals for 36 + 48 months, although, I'd rather be out and into something out after two years.
Its a lot cheaper for 10-12k miles, but I've done 17k in the past 12 months.
Edited by handbraketurn on Wednesday 26th June 16:02
Edited by handbraketurn on Wednesday 26th June 16:17
If you want a good driver's chassis and full access to sideways / backwards, the XE is a good alternative. Certainly, with or without TC, the XE is more willing to oversteer. The Alfa's rear axle is much more resistant of movement, in fact the car's setup reminds me of the old RWD Alfas that built their reputation. The XE's handling feels like it's been designed to be more of an exhibitionist.
Edited by kiseca on Thursday 27th June 10:50
Hi, after 9.5 years driving an Octavia VRS I've decided I need to replace it and this is looking like number one.
Seeing some great lease deals, £300 - £350 + 9 months for 3 years and 10k which should do me fine.
Any must have options? Performance pack?
I'm thinking the Monza Red.
Do the 19" wheels work, I like the petals.
What's the boot like? I play in a band and sometimes need to shift some gear about.
Seeing some great lease deals, £300 - £350 + 9 months for 3 years and 10k which should do me fine.
Any must have options? Performance pack?
I'm thinking the Monza Red.
Do the 19" wheels work, I like the petals.
What's the boot like? I play in a band and sometimes need to shift some gear about.
I went from an Octavia VRS to a Veloce and the difference was night and day. Lovely car, only let down by Alfa UK's (lack of) customer service.
The performance pack would be nice, but I never felt I needed to soften the ride or have use of an LSD as it's really well set up out of the box. Plus it'll easily take you over the £40k mark.
If you're planning on going over £40k then obviously go all in ... Mine was Stromboli grey with red leather (the best colour) and red calipers.
Boot wasn't enormous if I'm honest, and access wasn't great. I'd go to your local dealer and measure it out.
The performance pack would be nice, but I never felt I needed to soften the ride or have use of an LSD as it's really well set up out of the box. Plus it'll easily take you over the £40k mark.
If you're planning on going over £40k then obviously go all in ... Mine was Stromboli grey with red leather (the best colour) and red calipers.
Boot wasn't enormous if I'm honest, and access wasn't great. I'd go to your local dealer and measure it out.
Services are at 9000, which seems a bit short, but the intermediate is just an Oil and filter so is cheapish at about 200. Main service is about 350 a pop.
My Tyres were changed this week at 26500 miles and were 680 for the four, Goodyear F1’s R/F and AR marked. Some will get less out of them I guess.
My Tyres were changed this week at 26500 miles and were 680 for the four, Goodyear F1’s R/F and AR marked. Some will get less out of them I guess.
velocemitch said:
Paddles are standard on the Veloce, option on the Super.
Must have option I'd say.
Ah good good. I was confused by the packages on their configurator. But then when you go into the details they are already selected. Must have option I'd say.
I'm mulling over the veloce or the 5 series. I keep going from wanting the fun to wanting that luxury cruiser
Though the BMW dealer tried to upsell me to an X5 then an M5 in the space of five minutes.
I'd have to get the Alfa without having driven one which is the issue here
euphoricmess said:
velocemitch said:
Paddles are standard on the Veloce, option on the Super.
Must have option I'd say.
Ah good good. I was confused by the packages on their configurator. But then when you go into the details they are already selected. Must have option I'd say.
I'm mulling over the veloce or the 5 series. I keep going from wanting the fun to wanting that luxury cruiser
Though the BMW dealer tried to upsell me to an X5 then an M5 in the space of five minutes.
I'd have to get the Alfa without having driven one which is the issue here
When I say numb, even considering it's a mid sized luxury cruiser, the 5 series could be more involving than it is without sacrificing ride or refinement. There may be a great handling car under there but if there is, they hide it well.
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