RE: Lancia launches new concept
Discussion
new scot said:
Wow! A new Lancia with the Windows operating system for the stereo. Why oh why didn't Audi or BMW think of that?? So many jokes, I don't know quite where to begin ... Oh alright then "Why must we open the windows to change the music on the MP3 player, it's raining?"
You missed the more obvious one about crashing
This car is the result of a one night stand between a maybach exelero, and a ford ST...aahh i can jus imagine it ...their eyes met across a crowded motor show,the tipsy mayback made his way over to the ST and asked "do u come here often??".."Go on giv-us-a-snog!!!" replied the drunk ST...after about 10 minuates of panting and sighin in a quiet corner of the motor show they emerged never to see each other again....9 months later the ST gave birth this this strange lil car,the ford empire was so ashamed of this bastard love child it disowed it and left it outside an orphanage where it was adopted by lancia...
Edited by MidnightDriver on Tuesday 5th September 20:15
mini_ralf said:
dinkel said:
A shame Lancia's PR is not good. The firm is run by technicians.
Too true.. The Fulvia concept looked lovely and properly marketed could have sold well.. But I do wish that they would allow the engineers to design the cars rather than the bean counters. The V4 of the Fulvia was a gem. Sadly I suspect that the new Delta will simply be another re-badged Fiat.. So no better than anything else out there.
I said it: this new Delta is based on the Grande Punto.
"The V4 of the Fulvia was a gem."
The Fulvia concept had a diesel to begin with
The f
ing problem with it was EUROregs killed it . . . So much for nice cars today.
The potential for Lanica could be fantastic but only under the ownership of VW.
Look how they have turned the fortunes of Skoda, Seat and Lambo round. Lancia have produced some pretty good looking concept cars which either never make production or when they do are based on unsuitable underpinnings of a Cinquicento!!!!.
VW could have based the fantasic Fulvia Concept on the Audi TT platform which would have sold like hotcakes if it was built well and would help firmly re-establish the brand in the UK.
Look how they have turned the fortunes of Skoda, Seat and Lambo round. Lancia have produced some pretty good looking concept cars which either never make production or when they do are based on unsuitable underpinnings of a Cinquicento!!!!.
VW could have based the fantasic Fulvia Concept on the Audi TT platform which would have sold like hotcakes if it was built well and would help firmly re-establish the brand in the UK.
I don't agree about volkswagen ownership - to me Lancia is to fiat what Audi is to Volkswagen - the same stuff under the skin but classier (/ more expensive). That Ypsilon is the best looking small car I've seen, and I loved the Thesis that was released I think in 2001. But I wouldn't hand it to the germans, Volkswagens losing money at the moment and had to be saved by little Porsche - I hate to say it but the industry is too big, too many makers out there competing.
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I would also say it resembles the Nissan Murano too much form behind.
Lancia is sitting between chairs a bit. While a lot of it's heritage relied on sportiness as well as luxury, Fiat ownership means that it cannot be positioned directly against the "sporty" brand in the empire - Alfa. So they went for luxury instead. But again their hands are unduly tied. While I understand the benefits of component sharing and all that, there are components, which are massively expensive and not seen by customers, which should be shared (electric/electronic infrastructure, platforms). There are others, which are fairly cheap to redesign, seen by the customer and important - such as the interior. Here Lancia IMO is doing a decent enough job. There are other components, though, such as engines, which are not cheap but doable (and should be differentiated to an extent in order to integrate them into the concept). Here is one of Lancia's problems as I perceive it. The cars have nice interiors and are positioned as luxurious. But some of their underpinnings do not support that. The suspension is not cosseting enough and the Alfa V6 powertrains are nowhere near effortless and toquey enough to match the luxurious package.
I think they should clearly define a focused market segment, bite the bullet and spend money on some bespoke component development and they have a chance. Falling short on minor (or not so minor) details will never get them there.
Lancia is sitting between chairs a bit. While a lot of it's heritage relied on sportiness as well as luxury, Fiat ownership means that it cannot be positioned directly against the "sporty" brand in the empire - Alfa. So they went for luxury instead. But again their hands are unduly tied. While I understand the benefits of component sharing and all that, there are components, which are massively expensive and not seen by customers, which should be shared (electric/electronic infrastructure, platforms). There are others, which are fairly cheap to redesign, seen by the customer and important - such as the interior. Here Lancia IMO is doing a decent enough job. There are other components, though, such as engines, which are not cheap but doable (and should be differentiated to an extent in order to integrate them into the concept). Here is one of Lancia's problems as I perceive it. The cars have nice interiors and are positioned as luxurious. But some of their underpinnings do not support that. The suspension is not cosseting enough and the Alfa V6 powertrains are nowhere near effortless and toquey enough to match the luxurious package.
I think they should clearly define a focused market segment, bite the bullet and spend money on some bespoke component development and they have a chance. Falling short on minor (or not so minor) details will never get them there.
the ringmeister said:
The potential for Lanica could be fantastic but only under the ownership of VW.
God no.
As soon as VW buy out a car range, yes, it sells well because it's reliable, but the driving experience goes to hell.
VAG power steering and their range of sledgehammer-powerful and deadly-dull stability programmes ensure that, with very few exceptions (Golf GTI, some Audi RSs, Skoda Octavia VRS), they all drive as though you've selected the M25 on Gran Turismo and switched off the force-feedback. I prefer my Italian cars flawed and flaky but dripping with character and driving appeal, deliberately controversial, offending the conservative, and with looks that perpetually defy the frumpy norm (compare the Grande Punto to all of its rivals and you'll see what I mean - do you want a baby Maserati or a dull-as-ditchwater VW Polo?)
IMO Lancia should just relaunch in Britain, selling through existing Fiat/Alfa dealers. All the cars are based on existing Fiat Group platforms and componants, the saloon based on the Alfa 156 platform is gorgeous and perfect for the UK market. All they really need to do is mould some RHD dashboards. The Beta Berlina hasn't been sold in Britain for 25 years FFS!
Can anyone hear a strange sound?
It's a bit muffled and distant...
What can it be?
Oh, I think I know...
...that'll be Vincenzo turning in his grave...
As a Lancia owner of some 15 years, I can't help but feel things have stooped to the point where it might be better to celebrate the glory days of the Aurelia and Stratos and euthanize what's left of the badge.
This is just embarrassing...anyone would think the powers-that-be at Fiat deliberately wanted to run the firm into the ground...
At least the Fulvia, albeit based on the Fiat platform, would have been step in the right direction.
Where's the continuity between the current monstrosities and the Lancia heritage? Anyone spot a disconnect?
If Lancia were an animal, a responsible owner would administer an overdose of sedatives...
It's a bit muffled and distant...
What can it be?
Oh, I think I know...
...that'll be Vincenzo turning in his grave...
As a Lancia owner of some 15 years, I can't help but feel things have stooped to the point where it might be better to celebrate the glory days of the Aurelia and Stratos and euthanize what's left of the badge.
This is just embarrassing...anyone would think the powers-that-be at Fiat deliberately wanted to run the firm into the ground...
At least the Fulvia, albeit based on the Fiat platform, would have been step in the right direction.
Where's the continuity between the current monstrosities and the Lancia heritage? Anyone spot a disconnect?
If Lancia were an animal, a responsible owner would administer an overdose of sedatives...
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